urinary incontinence

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My now 17 week old puppy has been leaking urine, mostly when she sleeps.  We had her twice tested, no UTI, they believe it is because she was spayed too early.  She was a rescue, so they spayed her before adopting her out, at 11 weeks.  I don't mind giving her lots of baths and putting her in a diaper, she seems ok with it, but I don't like the idea of her laying in her pee and contantly having pee on her so I had the vet give her something for the incontince.  I asked for proin, but the gave me the generic with the long spelling, that I can not possibly spell, ppa is the short name.  It works.  After two doeses of it, no pee.  I wonder if anyone has given this to their dogs and if they had any negative side effects?  I hate to drug her, but I hate her laying in her pee.  I had heard that proin was safer, I plan to ask the doctor for that instead of what they gave me.  I am happy that it is working, just nervous about giving medication to her, not sure if this is the best route to go. 

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Wow, it had never occurred to me that adoption services would also spay their puppy rescues too. I am shocked that they would do this before her little female parts were fully developed. Anyway, I am glad to know this medicine works. My 9 year old Boxer has just started the same thing in her sleep. We tried yogurt in her diet for a couple of weeks to see if it would help with a UTI.No change. Did your vet say that she may be on the meds for life?

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Grendelspop, yogurt for UTI??? Your not one of those hippies are you. ;) I bet she liked the yogurt anyway. I've dealt with UTIs before. I've also don enough research to conclude that cranberry, yogurt, and all those other herbal type things are great - but useless in battling a full-blown UTI.

howsefrau32, I bet the vet's right about the early altering. I've seen that with dog altered much latter and is why I try to convince people to wait until after the second heat to do the operation, of course you had no say in this matter.

If she's only 17 weeks, this might clean up as she matures. Also, Proin is just a name brand Phenylpropanolamine (PPA). If you're on the generic that's just the same. The only thing different is the fancy name and advertising. It's like the difference between the store brand products and the name brand back before the generics had their own brand. You remember? You had the MORTEN salt, and then under that you had just SALT. Same darn stuff.

I think the real question here is, how bad in the leak? If it's just a trickle at night I'd wait it out without the drug - volunteer a couple old towels for puppy-bed designation. If she's making a puddle or leaking when she's awake, this is more serious and is less likely to correct it's self. As she gets older she'll get better at controlling things too, regardless of her plumbing.

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OK yeah, and cranberry juice too. Hippie? Not me.just my wife,my mom, my dad,sister, cousin, uncle,....So are these meds a hormone Supplement?

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I see. I understand.  ;)

phenylpropanolamine has nothing to do with hormones. It's the opposite of drugs used to treat high blood pressure called alpha blockers. Essentially it allows more of a certain signal from the brain to the involuntary visceral type muscle tissues. It's also a decongestant, which works in the same way. So, it causes the little muscles around organs and blood vessels constrict. In the nasal passages this causes relief from congestion, in blood vessels it increases blood pressure, and for organs like the bladder, it decreases the bladder neck's ability to open. If you've ever had trouble taking a pee after taking a decongestant - that's why.

Here is an article on some scary stuff associated with its use. I wouldn't avoid it over this though. Dog's don't have to worry about the effects of drugs taken over decades.

http://www.fda.gov/CDER/drug/infopage/ppa/qa.htm

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Good information.Great explanation on your part. I will be taking her to the vet next week to get checked out. I was hoping that all it was, was a uti but we have been noticing it for about 3 weeks now and decided that if it was still a problem in a month we would take her. It doesn't happen every time she sleeps and when we make sure to take her out just before bedtime she makes it thru the night. on average though she does it about once a day.Other than that she is a picture of health, still can take a stick out of my hand held all the way up above my head.Its really hard for us though,were starting to see her age. This will be the only time in her 9+ years that she has had to go to the vet for anything other than the ordinary stuff. 

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Her leaking problem is in the middle between really bad and slightly bad.  I am debating keeping her off the medicine and just keeping a diaper on her while she sleeps and see if it gets better.  She does wake up pretty wet in the morning and when she sleeps during the day she usually pees a lot too.  The medicine works, no doubt.  The vet did say she will possibly have to take it for life.  I have heard from other dog owners that their dogs did get better and they could stop taking it, or they could at least cut back on the dosage.  I am a little upset that they rescue group had the dogs spayed so young, but the rescue agency wanted to be sure someone wouldn't try to breed these dogs.  Greta and four of her litter mates were pulled from a high kill shelter, apparently the byb or puppy mill owner said that Greta's mom had 15 puppies, and they adopted out 10 of the puppies and had 5 left over and to just put them to sleep or do whatever you want with them.  Luckily I got Greta at 11 weeks, hopefully she was young enough that she won't remember too much about the horrible place she came from. I worry about hear health. Knowing she came from such horrible people, it is a total gamble on how she will turn out, but we love her and will be there for her no matter what lies ahead.  So far she is turning out to be a really sweet girl, great with other dogs and people thanks to lots of socialization we are giving her, puppy class and taking her everywhere with us is helping her come out of her shell.  She was pretty scared when we got her.  This is my first dobe, my husband's second, and I have never seen a smarter dog in my life. She literally learns something almost the first time you show her.  We will take all of her flaws and whatever we have to deal with, I just wish it wasn't so easy for stupid, sucky people to breed dogs the way that she was bred, and I can cry every time I think of her poor mother and the conditions she must live through every day.  Sorry, didn't mean to go off on a rant, just been thinking about this all day.
Thank you for the helpful advice, I may just keep up with the diapers and see if she improves, give that one more shot before going ahead with the ppa.

Thanks!

Here she is with my daughter in her diaper, poor baby

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Yeah, stupid sucky people indeed. And your story is not even the worst I've dealt with first hand.

Just remember she's only a baby, so it's very likely she'll have improvement. Keeping her is good shape will help too. She might just end up being a dog that needs to get outside more than most. Time will tell.

I'm glad she has a good home now.  :)