We love him! Questions on training......

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So, we got our puppy on Saturday. He is so sweet, is sleeping 6-7 hours at night, and will go back to sleep after a potty break. A couple of things we didn't think about......

1. We have 3 levels in our house. He can't go down the steps to go outside yet, but he is BIG and heavy to carry. I am wondering how to train him to go up and down. 

2. He is mostly potting outside. The two times he pee peed inside, we caught him in mid act and went right out and he finished up out there. Should I be staying a long time outside? I am taking him on a leash now as he doesn't always come when called and I don't want to do the chase game. I want our main reason for going out to be potty as it is muddy, slushy, snowy right now in our backyard. It will be easier when we take a walk as that is a concrete path, but still too early yet.

 

3. He is not super food motivated. He has learned sit very quickly and comes running when called (mostly), but I think if he was more fixated on the treats, it would go better. I am feeding pro plan (not my choice, but what we got from the breeder), and giving soft dried salmon/grain pieces. Is there something tastier he might want or do you think he is just too little to be motivated by food just yet?

4. My golden is completely ignoring him, and he is desperate to play with her. Any ideas on how to get her to accept him more quickly. She isn't at all mean, just avoids him.

Otherwise he is a love, calms quickly, and seems very interested in what we want from him. He loves a big snuggle! Too bad 3 of my 4 kids are down with a stomach bug, or I would have people over to meet him. Appreciate any suggestions you have! It's been 10 years since I had a puppy, so I have forgotten much. Oh, and how can I post pics??

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First of all, welcome to the group and congrats on your new puppy! (What did you name him?)

I'll just give you some of my personal opinions on the things you've asked about. Hopefully, others will give their advice and opinions also.

Enjoy those sleepy hours while they last....he'll be growing so fast, you'll think he's gotten a little bigger every time he gets up from a nap. 

Stairs are a little bit scary to a puppy mostly because they aren't used to having their front feet and back feet on different levels.  Be very patient with him, and sort of coax him with a toy or a treat up or down just a couple of steps at a time.  Never force him to do something that you know he's scared of.  Ease into things and dont make it a big deal.  Once he's figured out he can climb one or two steps, then three or four, he'll be doing steps like a pro.  Encourage him without forcing him.  It's all in keeping a positive attitude.

Potty training should be done on leash. Take him out right after he eats or drinks, right after he wakes up, and at regular intervals during the day. Dont go out to play....this is business time.  Play comes after he potties.  Give him a cue word, "go potty" 'make pee pee' whatever you're comfortable with.  I just tell mine 'hurry up'.  Praise him when he does go, even if it's just coincidence that he goes when you tell him to.  Be consistant -- every time -- and believe it or not, he will eventually learn to pee on command.  This comes in handy when you take him someplace like Petsmart or a Farm Supply store where dogs are allowed to be with their owners...you can tell him to go before you go inside, and not be worried about him peeing on the floor of the store.  It takes time, though, so dont expect him to pick up on potty training overnight and never have an accident.  It happens.

What to feed is entirely up to you, but I would choose the best dog food I could afford to feed. "Best" not necessarily meaning 'most expensive'....go by the ingredients on the bag.  Choose one that has some sort of meat base as it's first 2 or 3 ingredients, and personally I stay away from any dog food with corn in it, just because I have dogs with corn allergies.  There are a lot of good dog foods out there (you'll not find really good dog foods in the pet food aisle of the grocery store, I'll just say that) so look around, read the labels, do some searches on the internet.  Here's a good source I go to that has lot's of information:

http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/brand/

About your other dog, give her time to adjust to the new pup.  Again, dont try to force a friendship between the two of them, it will happen when she is ready for it.  She's having to deal with a totally new situation now. Here's this little animated puppy that wants to invade her space and she doesnt know quite how to handle it.  They will work things out...just make sure he doesnt 'bug' her too much if she starts to growl or snarl her lip up at him because you dont want her to see him as a bad thing happening in her life.  Mutual respect between the dogs is a great thing, and will make your life easier.

Photos can be loaded on here several ways.  I always just copy/paste from my facebook photos or load photos on here from photobucket (if you use photobucket, copy/paste the [img] code for the photo into the message area here)

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His name is Kaiser, and he is 8.5 weeks. I posted on another thread that I was getting him, do I need to just add to that thread? Sorry, there is probably an info box that I need to read.

I live in Germany, so we have other food brands that I am happier with that we use for the golden (named Cali). I am working on posting some pics, must first upload to Internet.

Thanks for your reply and good advice. I am sure I will need more as time goes on!

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Welcome wolf pack. I'm new to dobermans but definitely not new to dogs. Have had large breeds all my life. I agree with djs dad on all counts. My pup is only 10.5 weeks old and she is very unsure of the staircases in my home. We don't force it on her. When she's brave enough she will give it a go. There are 2 steps from the lawn to our deck and she tackled those about a week after coming home. No prompting at all. She saw my bulldog do it and must have gotten tired of waiting to wait on us to carry her up after she was done in the yard.

As far as your golden goes, don't force it. My American bulldog was extremely perturbed by Cersei's presence the 1st day. He warmed up to her quickly and is now her personal pin cushion. They mouth eachother nonstop. There was an incident with a bone and her entire head going inside his mouth, with a quickness. I was afraid he had hurt her with the volume of the yelp she let out. But, other then a large quantity of slobber about her head and snout, she was fine. She learned her lesson. Let them work it out. In their own way. In their own time. We make sure to let Hiro, the bulldog, do everything 1st. 1st to feed, 1st outside, 1st in the car, etc.

As far as food motivation goes I'd suggest you try a different treat. They are all different these dogs. My bulldog loves the dried salmon treats but Cersei could take them or leave them. We have been using cut up, kosher, organic hot dogs as our high value training treats. She goes nuts for them. Just keep trying different things until you find something that works.

As far as potty training goes we are struggling at the moment. She came home @ 8 weeks and we were doing pretty great that 1st week. She went to the vet for her crop, shots and chip @ the 9 week mark, came home with a uti, and its been a bit of a struggle everyday since. The uti has been taken care of now, but its as if we took 2 steps backwards. I guess thats to be expected.

Good luck with the new pup and post some pics!! Would love to see him.

I'm assuming the puppy is 8 to 12 weeks old. The puppy will be forming behaviors that will stick with him for the rest of his life so you don't want him to form any undesirable behaviors. It's hard to un-teach bad behaviors, not impossible, just hard.

Crate) If at all possible, never open the door unless he's quiet. You don't want him to think that barking or whining opens the door. Like I said, "if at all possible". He may really need to go outside to relieve himself so it's a on site call.

Stairs) He's still a baby. Like what was mentioned by DJsDad, stairs can be scary. You don't want him tumbling down the stairs. He may get injured but he will get scared which will make NOT want to navigate the stairwell. Give him some time and you'll be wishing he never learned...lol

Outside breaks) The puppy comes out of the crate he goes directly outside every time. When he begins to relieve himself, put a word to it. Praise and reward him when he does his business then right back inside. If you want to play outside, bring him in first count to 10 then go back out and play. This keeps it clear to the pup as to what has to be done. When the puppy is running around the room (always supervised) bring him out every ten minutes to begin with until you know his timing. At this age it's usually no more than 15, 20 minutes you'll want to wait. A egg timer is really helpful. When there is a accident, you'll need to clean it up very well. There are allot of really good products out there that work well but I've always use white vinegar. It's inexpensive and it works.

Food) I've always said, "the best food you can afford that the dog will eat and he does well on". You could get the best rated food in the world but if the dog isn't eating it it's not doing him a bit of good. Assuming he's a young puppy, you may need to slightly moisten the food. Not soggy just a little moist for a few days maybe.

The other dog) The older dog's world has just been turned upside down with this new bouncy yappy thingy that you are paying allot of attention to. The older dog sees you as a resource and and that the puppy is taking that resource. From what you wrote, what the Golden is showing is avoidance. You may have to show the Golden a little more attention (never less) than what you had been prior to "THAT THING" coming into the home. Make it seem to the Golden that she comes before the puppy and in a little time things should come together. ( I still get those, "bring it back" looks from Jewel).

Training) Work with the puppy away from distractions. In the kitchen, den or garage. Work on your sits, downs, recalls, heals. Put the Golden up, work with the puppy for 5 minutes. Put the puppy up and do the same thing with the Golden whether he needs it or not. The puppy never goes outside unless there is a fence or a leash. Do not expect him to come to you when there are MANY things that are more exciting than you outside. Recall takes time and the puppy has the attention span of a gnat.

Enjoy that new puppy

Gunny

   

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Great advice from all of you. Sometimes I find myself nodding and thinking, yeah, I knew that, but due to old age and children, my memory is not what it used to be. The daddy of this puppy is very laid back and easy going, and the boys in the litter seem to have gotten that trait, according to the breeder. This little guy is such a schmoozhund, and we love cuddling with him.

We are working on down at the moment. Another question, do you distinguish down as in lay down from down as in get down (like when he jumps)?

Here is the link to the breeders website in case anyone is interested. Under news is the picture of his parents. There is some info in English. http://www.vom-westwall.de/News

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With me and my dogs, "down" is lay down. "Off" is get down.