TLC K9 Academy

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Hi guys,

So I am putting Kratos through TLC K9 Academy, as well behaved as he can be he has really been pushing my buttions lately.  I ask him to sit, and he just stares at me and walks away.  He has now gotten into the habit of running away from me, and I just cannot afford that.  I would not be able to live with myself if something happened to him, so I decided it's time for professional help.  They will be here shortly, and I'm looking forward to learning new things, obviously he is acting out because I am doing something wrong and sending him mixed messages.  However, I would like your opinions on this academy, I definitely need someone that will get me the results I want; I know it will take a big effort on my part as well.

Their website is www.tlck9academy.com.

I don't really want to say anything just yet, Please let me know what method they use. I have a very good idea.

From first glance it appears okay but like I said I think I know what they are going to try, you can pm me privately if you like after your visit. I would like to help if I can and do have suggestions for you if this doesn't work out. My dogs are trained in all kinds of different venues and I've had very good success with them.

I use several different training methods and train with many different people. I use different things from each trainer. I know at this stage in time what works and what doesn't with my dogs. This may be a facility where you take a few good things away from it or a whole bunch of things.

Bottom line with any training is you need to be the one that trains the dog and understands. (You can send any dog out not saying that this is what you are doing just an example) but if you can not make the dog obey and use the same methods that the trainer does then the dog will never listen to you. It doesn't take stimulation collars or harsh training at all it takes clear consistency on the part of the owner. Dobermans are smart and they learn very quickly which family members mean what the say and which ones don't. Sometimes it takes friendly reminders and short training methods throughout the day to reinforce. They are EXTREMELY intelligent.

How old is Kratos now?

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These dogs are tough. They are free-willed and independent and at the same time very dependent on their loved/pack ones. I think you have to come to a place of understanding with them. This may sound a little strange, but sometimes I grab King Leo's nubby little tail. He gives me a look that seems to say, "what the heck?" but he gets the same look back that tells him, "this is what the heck!".
"Just cut it out".
Just a real love that's not looking to win. But wants a communication.
You have as much to learn about your dog as he/she has to learn about you !
Good luck with the classes. Please share with us. I'm sure you will gain and your gorgeous Kratos will learn to learn as Freya's dad has suggested.

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Kratos is about 9 months old now.  I just don't understand where I went wrong, we didn't start training yet, jerks just came to charge me for the training we will be doing. I am 100 percent commited to this, and I know Kratos is indeed intelligent. The things he does never cease to amaze me, but I need to take control now.

As I was talking to the trainer, she said the entire training was positive reinforcement, she said they don't use treats at all; but they do use a stimulator which vibrates when you press the button.  She made me feel it on my hand to know exactly what Kratos would feel(I think she saw the look on my face when she first told me about the stimulator); as I wouldn't want him to hurt in any way during training. I have spoken with former clients of theirs and all they talked about is how amazing they were.  Still, I am a bit weary, I don't want this to not work and ended up wasting more money.  They do come with a 100 percent guaranteed satisfaction though, and will not stop training with you until the dog is under control.  From what I understood, she will first teach me her method of commanding the dog to sit, place, heel, bark, quiet, and so forth and then I must do it.  I have half an hour of training homework each night, and I can seperate that however I choose.

This is exactly what I though it would be. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Here are some things for you to think about.

1. I think you could get the same thing from a training club that positive reinforcement along with other methods for a portion of the cost

2. Dobermans are EXTREMELY intelligent, they learn very quickly that they WILL obey when the stimulation collars are on and that they dont really have to when they are off.

I don't know if you have read my previous post but we use different collars for different training and they know what they are doing by the collar I put on them. Obedience they have a choke collar, tracking a different collar, agility something different, protection harness and so on. My point in this is like I said the Dobermans associate things so quickly that people that use stimulation collars or shock collars the dog will behave when on but not when the collar is off. This is the exact same situation when a dog will test you it comes down to are you going to enforce it. The key to training is make the dog want to obey.

3. Anytime you put that amount of effort in your dog 1/2 hr a night you are going to get results. Why not make it fun for the dog. Dobermans want to work and like to work but you make it a chore and you will have a less than likely candidate. They will do it but not as happy as it could be, it is more grudgingly.

I'm not totally against this type of training but I know you can do it yourself under different circumstances and get a better result. If this is the only thing you have available then by all means use it (if that collar does nothing but vibrates, you would not want to turn the frequency up to anything more than a vibration or you are asking for problems later. Anything more than a simple vibration is not fair training AT ALL.)

Please keep us updated as your training progresses and good luck to you and Kratos.

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Thank you so much, I guess I am making his training sessions pretty boring, but I might as well go through this as well, I already paid for it and it's non-refundable. UGH. And where exactly do I look for a training club in my area; I don't mind going the extra mile for him, I just want him to be happy, and me as well.

I completely agree with you on the stimulator as well, I would never want to hurt my boy, and I will talk to her about it more. I'm still not sure I'm comfortable with this at all.

Again,

Thanks Rnd for all your input, you are an invaluable source to this forum.