Sleeping in the same bed, crate training, or both?

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Hello! I will be a new doberman owner in a couple days, and I am also new to the gentledoberman community.I have been researching for over 10 months before getting my puppy, and I have read a lot about the benefits to both crate training and not crate training at night.

This is a weird and probably dumb question,but I was wondering if it is possible to let your puppy sleep with you at night, but then also teach him to like his crate during the day when you can't be with him? I have heard that letting them sleep with you can be a bother because obviously they grow up and get bigger..... a lot bigger. But at the same time I have heard a lot of owners say that the connection they had with their puppies were better later on because of the bonding they had when they would sleep with their owners. Is it possible/a good idea to do both? To let him sleep with you, and also crate train him during the day?

I would love any advice! Thanks

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Hi kingzayn, welcome to the forum. Congrats on choosing a dobie puppy.

No reason you cant do both. Both sleeping in bed and crating will require training.

My first dobe pup Cleo, slept in my bed her whole life. Back in the day, in Oz, no one I knew had heard of a crate (before the interwebs lol) and if they had have, they would have freaked out at putting their pup in "cage".

My current dobe Storm sleeps in a crate with the door open. She's 13mo at the moment. The crates in the laundry looking onto a long wide hallway with a kids room at one end and the living area at the other, both rooms seperated by baby gates. I'm just starting to do the afternoon nap on the bed with her now.

Its a before and after WAKs thing.

I doubt there will be any differnce between the two bonds at all. In fact, I've called Storm Cleo on many occasions because they are so much alike.

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Oh thank you! I am very excited to have a doberman. Hmmm that makes sense. Ya if I even mention the word "crate" around my family they tend to be upset because "that is no life for a dog to be in a cage all day." Not being a "dog loving" family it's easy to not fully understand the purpose and benefits of a crate. Reading the forum I have found that a lot of people LOVE the crate and I can definitely see why.

Did you crate train Storm from the start? :) Or did you introduce your afternoon naps later on after you established a habit of crate training before?

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I actually started Storm off with a "Durable" dog bed in the hallway. Well the word "Durable" has no meaning in the Doberman vocabulary. After the destruction of her second "durable" bed, I put her on a bunch of blankets and a sheep skin for a little while.

The motivation to get her a crate stemmed from the fact that we are carers for two austistic kids with one other with no issues, and one of the kids has major sleep problems. Lights were being turned on and off, and tvs etc in the middle of the night and I was worried this was stressing Storm out, so I bought her a crate and put it out of the way for her to get some relief if it all got too much. I got her a crate at around 4 or 5mo, and it took her a week or so to take to it. No doubt like a lot of things, the earlier you introduce it, the faster the pup will take to it. Storm was fully toilet trained before we introduced the crate, it was introduced just as a way to reduce stress which can have long term health effects.

I've only just started with the afternoon nap attempts. Some days we are successful, and other days not. Today she wriggled, stuck her nose in my face, put her chin on my back, nudged, and did everything she could to initiate some play. Other days we get an hours sleep or so.

Just make sure you can be around every hour (sometimes more) for a while to let your pup outside to eliminate. Its the best way to toilet train, and from your research, I'm sure you've found that Dobermans are people dogs. Is someone going to be home 24/7 when you get your pup?

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Hahaha I don't know how excited I will be when he rips up a new bed, but we'll see how that one goes. But that's smart! I would assume ripping up towels and sheepskin would be a little more difficult. Why they would shred a nice new bed is beyond me :)

Oh that makes sense, I could see how that might be stressful and I agree that the earlier they are exposed to certain things the better. I want him to want to be in his crate, but also sleep with me so I think I'll make sure to introduce him to his crate first for a while and see how that goes.

I bet Storm is a great Dobe! She sounds so cute :) I will be getting mine at the end of the week. I could have gotten him sooner but I have had 2 weddings in my immediate family in one week and it's been stressful. I wouldn't want to leave a new puppy at home while the family is off all day at wedding ceremonies and receptions. When I do get him I plan to take a week &1/2 off work to train and be with him. After that my schedule isn't that awful anyway .I will work 2 hours in the morning, and then 4 hours at night so either way I'm planning on being with him before, in the middle, and after work. :)

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I love crates, it keeps everybody safe and secure, and in times of emergency you don't have to begin crate training you can just say "crate" or "in"  and be ready to move fast, you know house fire, flood etc. crates are great. Today my rottie went into his crate by himself due to a thunderstorm it should be a safe haven where they want to go.....it's not punishment it's like their own secret hideaway.....give them that opportunity to get away from it all......

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I have never actually thought about that before! You do have a very good point :) If, heaven forbid, anything did happen the last thought on my mind would probably not want  be "oh geez I sure hope this time my doberman will go into his crate". I could see how it would be a good idea to allow them to go into their crate when they feel like they need to.

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HI Maddie and welcome to the Forum.. Congratulations on your choice.. of course being a passionate doberman owner as most of us on this Forum are.. we don't think you could have chosen better... Also.. thrilled that you're researching and asking questions.. that's why we're here to suggest, share our experiences and enjoy your adventure.

I was against crates when we rescued Sofia.. at the ripe old age of four or five.. she was and still is the most mellow and gentle of creatures... a CRATE?? Perish the thought..

Then along came Bella.. wild, chaotic, busy beyond belief.. yep.. a puppy.. I think if we didn't have a crate I would have lost my mind..

She loves her 'room' and all I have to do is say.. 'go to bed.' and in she pops.. ( lured of course at first by some lovely treat). She will go in on her own when she wants some quiet time.. will sleep there all night, and it is her retreat.. something she can call all her own..

Tell us more about your new addition..girl puppy? Boy puppy? Black and tan.. red and rust.. fawn? There's only one rule here on the Forum: is that you take pictures and post them every chance you get.. we love the babies and can't wait to meet your new one.

Smooches to the Pooches

Katie, Sofia and Bella

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Hi, 

 Just be forewarned that if your dog gets to sleep on your bed, it will likely think that is the best place of all.

We tried to keep Bella off the bed, but she snuck up there when we were not home and then I was sick and she was allowed to comfort me there. So eventually she now thinks it is her god given right to sleep with us even though her perfectly comfortable bed is right in our room. She even puts up with considerable discomfort, as she only gets a sliver of it, and there is the fan blowing on her and me messing with the duvet and kicking around all night. 

Lets see, Michael insists on getting his 1/2, Bella gets her 1/4 and I get???? Do I feel like the baloney in the sandwich....

I kick her off when ever I feel like it.

You should hear her ask for permission to come back up.... her very soft little voice says...

'mommie'

'please'

'pretty please'

'please'

'mommmiee'

'i promise'

 'i wont hog the bed'

 'prrrettty please'

and so I give in and up she comes to curl up under the covers....

 

 

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Thank you for all the support, and thanks for the adive Lady Kate! I am getting a black doberman, a boy :) I get him at the end of this week and I can't wait to meet him. I'll make sure to post pictures and updates.

I want him to want to go to his crate whenever he feels like he should, but also I want him to just sleep with me at night. I'm trying to decide if that's the best option, but from what I have been hearing the crate is the best way to go.  hahaha bella sounds like a sweetheart :) I would certainly not want to have to give up my spot on the bed when he would have a perfectly great bed of his own.

Thanks for all the advice!

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So very true...lol!

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hahahaah that picture reminds me of that rhodesian ridgeback we had, big dog and strong, I was still living at home and I had a queen size bed to myself or so I thought my little spaniel would sleep on the floor right next to me without issue, but the ridgeback would sneak up on the bed during the night crawl under the covers and lay like a human with his head on the pillow next to mine.....but then he would want more bed space - I slept on the open edge the other edge was against the wall, so he puts all 4 feet against the wall and begins the push push push until he literally tossed me out of the bed onto the floor on top of my other dog; and when I get up he is then in the middle of the bed with his head on BOTH pillows acting like he has no idea I am there and he's been asleep the whole time!!! He would do this several times a month.....he was quite the dog.....but to be pushed out of the bed with one kick of all 4 fours against the wall was just the icing on the cake. Not good enough to have  half a queen bed nope had to have it all......

I personally don't like my dogs on the bed I don't like to be crowded or slobbered on, or accidentally pawed in the face....I'm picky that way hahahahaha. Besides they have expensive beds on the floor - use them....