Neurological Problem in 10wk puppy

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We have had Jack for 3 weeks. He has always been kind of laid back until recently. I posted a few days ago about his nipping. We have tried everything and nothing has worked but gotten worse. In fact, his whole demeanor has become extremely aggressive, alpha dog. He doesn't even acknowledge any noises, will not make eye contact, and tries to bite anything close to him. He tries to eat the tile floor and no longer shows interest in his toys. I have stayed close to him and tried to get him used to calling his name, but he acts deaf to it. He is very aggressive around my wife (who cries because she loves him to death). He actually likes the taste of 2 different kinds of no-bite spray. So We took him in for his first puppy training class with a good trainer in town. She just wanted to assess his behavior and see what he does normally. He began chewing the concrete floor and proceeded to bite her. She said she had not seen a 10week old puppy this aggressive and she was concerned that he might have a neurological issue. I laughed and thought she was joking, but she was very worried. Every day gets a little worse. He does not really want to be around us but sleeps in the den by himself. He's a 10week old puppy! He has not been beaten, he has all kinds of toys, doesn't get caged until night time, etc. We contacted the breeder and she said all of the other pups in the litter were doing great and healthy, but he hasn't been right and seems to get worse. I denied it, but he genuinely acts like he is possessed. I can't handle him being like this and being full grown. If he attacks my wife like he has been then I would lose it. I've had puppies and dogs all my life and I have never seen a baby act like this, especially with such good care. What should we do with/about him? 

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I don't actually have any advice other than consult a vet to make sure there isn't any underlying medical condition causing him discomfort. I would never have classifed June as aggressive in the 9 months that I have had him, so just sharing some experiences and sympathy.

He LOVES the taste of the chew deterrants--he actually chewed through a bottle once and ate some of it, so I sympathize there. Is your boy getting enough structured exercise (leashed walk around the yard) and mental stimulation? At his age that wouldn't be very much at all, but certainly something to think about if you aren't already doing small training sessions several times daily. I know the days that June is more likely to chew a pillow or comforter because--coincidentally!--they are they days that we don't walk and train before work.

Occasionally when Juneau is not interested in whatever I am trying to train, he will refuse eye contact. This rarely occurs anymore, but I remember the frustration at about 4 months old (I got him at 3.5 months). He thought that if he didn't look at me then whatever I was saying just didn't apply to him. I think that's just part of their stubbornness and not to be held against your boy. It's a competition to see who can out-stubborn the other.

Also, it sounds like he might have left his mother a little early. Hopefully someone with more knowledge on doberman specific development can comment on that if it is an issue. I know when I brought June home it was difficult not to smother him with cuddles, but I tried very hard to give him his space and he ended up following me around all the time. Perhaps he just needs some puppy time.

What do you mean by aggressive also? June took a while to understand personal space, and would want to play but would look rather frightening if you didn't know him. Please remember that at 10 weeks your puppy is far too young to be thinking in terms of alpha male.

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The only time I've seen this behaviour was in a jack Russell with thyroid issues. I'd take him to your vet and make sure there's no underlying medical issue. I'd also speak with a behaviourist and see what they can make of it. Good luck!

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We work a little bit each day with the leash. He chewed through the first one, even with it dripping in green Apple. At first he was learning to sit for a treat, but he knows that I have a treat and goes straight for the hand without even hearing us. As far as aggression goes, he doesn't seem to understand what affection is. He likes to be near us when he played with his toys, but doesn't really play with toys. He only goes for legs and hands. Any petting makes him want to bite, no matter how tired he is. Yelping doesn't do anything, grabbing muzzle and saying no only makes him mad, substituting for a toy just makes him more agitated. Anytime he is around people he immediately grabs for their legs/shoe and has to be pulled off. He does not understand "no!" Even after 3 weeks of consistent work. He only gets angry when we pull him away. You have to hold him like a baby until he calms down and he tries to bite your face. He whines until he calms down and then falls asleep. He really only has 2 speeds: bite and sleep. Our friend's lab mix (a sweet dog) came over to socialize with him. He was initially frightened of her at first and then began rough housing. It wasn't like play, but snapping and biting. The other dog became scared of him and whimpered. He's 10weeks old!!!!! Why is he like this??? I have learned that he is a Z factor puppy and his mother was a Z factor dog. I did some research and reread his AKC paperwork. Is this a possible reason? I feel really ripped off because he was advertised as a well-bread dog. 

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Believe me: I don't think I'm expecting too much from him since he is so little, but it's so unusual. I've grown up around golden retrievers, shepherds, westies, poodles, boxer mixes, chows, etc. I cant remember not having or playing with dogs and pups. As the trainer said when he was at his puppy class: he's really glazed over and unresponsive to anything except for what he wants to do. 

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Can you record a clip of him being aggressive?

 

He's young for thyroid problems, but if you decide to get the test make sure you get the 4 panel thyroid test. It might be worth sending the results off somewhere. I sent mine off to Dr. Jean Dodds to get an accurate reading, as the vets here are pretty useless TBH. As I said, 10 weeks is really a little young for that to be a problem. Dobermans are a breed commonly affected by thyroid issues though.

Albinos are inbred horrendousely and that can cause an array of behavioural and health problems. The albino allele itself wouldn't worry me too much if I am honest. I would be more worried about the fact the breeder was irresponsible enough to breed Z factored dogs, so will likely be irresponsible enough to breed without temperament, longevity and health in mind.

I would first contact the breeder and have a serious talk about how she will help you now and in the future. If her response is positive then you'll have help finding a decent vet, behaviourist and trainer, and if not then you're on your own.

I went to a breeder who seemed like the best thing since sliced bread and spent a lot of time talking with him before buying a puppy. Turns out he wasn't at all a decent breeder and at the first sign of trouble he disappeared off the face of the earth. I have no idea how he could be so knowledgeable (he actually knew what he was talking about) and still breed so irresponsibly.

Let us know how you get on with your pup, I really hope it works out for you.

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I'll be very honest. My almost 5 month male is hpyer, bitty, pain in the butt most of the time. He plays rough with is body slams, tail pulling  "i call it tail envy ;) " but when it comes to my older much smaller chi/min pin mix he treats him with incredible respect. 

Hes a rough player but that comes with the breed. My pup is not a Z factor dog but he is still a doberman. Ive seen him try to eat the tile but i simple walk over to the fridge grab an ice cube and slide it across the floor and he stops and start to chase that i laugh cuz its really cute and tell him good boy in that squeaky high tone that he likes.

Ares is not food motivated he is praise motivated. 

He is still teething and I am extremely patient with him. Yes to him feet and hands in his opinion are fair game, i dont of course dont let him chew on me but sometimes hes a bit faster then i am. I get him involved with other things such as a peanut butter filled kong toy, a frozen wash cloth is all ways a good idea, i will fill up a bowl with a bunch of ice cubes cuz he loves those. We will play find the treats and ill hide them around the house. 

Some people might not agree with this but to get him to stop biting my legs i used a squirt bottle and would spray his butt and he would stop, as soon as he would stop i would give him lots of loves :) 

I dont think you have a aggressive puppy :) i think he needs to learn better boundaries. have more things to do mentally. Nylabone is great chew company my boy loves there stuff, no joke a puppy kong filled with stuff is a great way to use his mind and he will keep his teeth off of you. frozen wash clothes make a difference and makes his teeth feel better. and of course ice cubes.

this is part of the process it gets better over time i promise but it takes awhile like i said im still dealing with the teething. 

best of luck

 

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If we can see a video we'll be better able to judge whether he's acting out of the ordinary for a Dobe puppy.

Still stand by what I said in regards to contacting the breeder again (and the things that follow).

This is not normal behavior - Return him with proof (video) of what he is doing - any decent breeder should give you your money back because they want what is best for the dog. Your breeder obviously is not reputable (z factor) but hopefully is not a total ass.