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Niko is doing really good with the potty training, except for one little thing.  When he is at home with just me, he will come up to me and sit in front of me then go to the door, and I say, "Go outside? Go potty?" and he'll wag his little nub and out we go.  He always goes when we get outside, of course he gets lots of praise and luvvins for doing so well. 

However, when my husband is home it is almost inevitable that Niko will pee in the floor.  My husband can just be laying on the couch petting Niko one minute, then Niko will walk away and pee.  No warning, no sniffing, nothing.  Of course this upsets my husband immensely, he thinks that Niko isn't catching on to potty training, I've tried to tell him that when it's just me and Niko he doesn't generally have accidents, but he don't believe me. 

I take Niko outside to potty about every hour to hour and half, and whenever tells me, and I do this when my husband is home too.  I understand, his point that Niko should go outside regardless of who is home with him, and I agree with him on that.  I just don't understand why Niko just decides to go like this only when my husband is home.

I guess what I am wanting to know is if anyone else has had this problem with their male dobies.  I'm not sure why Niko does this, it doesn't seem to be an excited tinkle, or a submissive tinkle.  He just out of nowhere will pee; no sniffing, no warning, just walking one minute and the next he will either squat to pee or just stand and pee; sometimes he even pees while he's sitting.  Could he be trying to mark his territory already?  He is only 11 weeks old, and I didn't think that they started that until they were older. 

Any advice, tips or ideas on what is going on would be greatly appreciated.  I don't know what else to do, or what else to say to my husband. 

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As teenagers would mock me for saying this, your husband should take a chill pill. There is no need to get "mad immensely." Niko is a little guy (11 wks). When my Jax was that young, he would pee randomly inside when we play, just walking around, etc. He was the typical puppy that required 2 to 3 weeks of potty training with occasional relapses. Now at almost one yrs old, he can hold it for 12 hours (shame on me for over sleeping).

sounds like he is afraid of your husband

I agree with rnd-it does sound like he is afraid of your husband and this could be a form of submissive urination. If it is submissive urination, punishing/correcting him for it or getting angry or upset will only make the problem WORSE, especially coming from your hubby. I think your husband needs to try to build up Niko's trust and form a bond. You are home all day and are his primary care-giver and Niko is going to bond more strongly with you. Your hubby is going to have to work harder to develop that same bond.

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Thanks for the input.  I'll talk to my hubby about what you guys said; I had kinda wondered if he was scared of him.  My hubby don't hit him or anything like that, but he can be kinda loud and scary sounding to a little guy. (not to mention my hubby probably looks like a giant to Niko, at 6'4"!!)

If this is a submissive thing is there anything else I can do to help Niko?  I really want him to be a happy, well-adjusted dobie. 

I have explained to him that he is only 11 weeks-old and that he is doing really well considering his age.  Apparently his dad had a lab that was potty trained in 2 weeks; I'm not sure I believe it, but he swears it's true.

I will definitely get him to spend some more one-on-one time with Niko, try and build a bond between them.  It breaks my heart that they don't seem to be clicking like Niko has with me.  Don't get me wrong, Niko is happy to see him when he gets home, but he just kinda says hi and gets some pets then back to me he goes. 

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Okay, so I talked with my husband about spending some more quality time with Niko and he actually seemed to respond rather well.  He started playing with him more, praising him, taking him outside to potty and play.  It's only been a few days but you can already see a difference in Niko's attitude towards my hubby.  I'm so happy, just seeing the look on Niko's face and my hubby's when they are playing is priceless.  My hubby really thought that Niko just didn't like him.

And on the potty training front...we have been (knock on wood) accident-free for 4 days!!  YAY!! 

So glad to hear that!! Yay for Niko and hubby. Glad they are bonding :)

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Michelle,

I had the same issue with Apollo except he would pee on the floor whenever we had visitors. I was very afraid of letting Apollo go out, anywhere, before he had all of his shots so he did not socialize much. When people would come over he would get so excited and I think he was very selective of the rules he would follow and one of the rules he would break was the potty rule. I have been having a lot of work done to my home so contractors are constantly here and I ask them to interact with Apollo. What a huge difference this has made. Now, we will have people over and he goes and sits at the door like he usually does. I think maybe its just an issue of nervousness or anxiety.

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Your husband gets upset when the dog pees, so the dog is afraid to pee in front of him.  That's why your pup walks away and goes.  Your dog is 11 weeks old, if he pees in the house, (I read this a while back, LOVE it) take a newspaper, roll it up, and whack YOURSELF in the head with it for not taking him out enough lol.    This would be like getting mad at your newborn child for crapping in his diaper, without telling you he had to go.

He has very minimal bladder control, so when he has to go, he will go, likely without warning.  I would call the warning walking away randomly...  So I would tell your husband to not get upset, I know it's hard, but if he keeps getting upset will only make it worse.  NEVER yell at the dog, put his nose in it, etc.  Just take him outside more often and reward for going outside, if he makes a mess, clean it up, and make a mental note to take him out more.

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My husband and I talked about what to do about Niko going in the house, as a result my husband has started spending more quality time with Niko and Niko is LOVING it!!  He will  come up to us and sit down, then head to the door; sometimes he will whine, but usually we are already up and taking him out so he doesn't have to.

The other day I went to use the bathroom, and of course Niko decided he had to go potty!!  So, I hurried up and he was sitting at the door looking back at me whining like "HURRY UP I GOTTA GO!!!"

He hasn't had any accidents (besides a couple of excited tinkles when the kids come over) for almost 2 weeks now!!  Knock on wood, or whatever is handy!!

@Kevin:  I completely agree with what you said about the newspaper!!  That's basically what I had told my husband, that we can't blame him, he's still a baby and learning.  It's our fault, because we didn't get him outside.