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Ok some of you knowing me as new to here for the last few weeks.  I have been having fun reading and looking at photos and once in awhile poking my head in for a question or comment .. I will say I looked at some other groups and this is by far the best..

Anyway getting to the point.. if you remember I have been owned 2 different times by a dobe and its been awhile.. I tried to remember how it was with Angel who I got at about 4 months old.. she was the best... funny had me going all the time.. super smart almost scary..

You know i also have a playful to mellow toy poodle..  My question is do you think I could handle a pup..  I go around in circles puppie, young dobe to older..  I want a dog that will play ball so I can excerces her when my husband is gone and he can take her on hikes etc.  I want a dog like Angel who was good with the small dogs and cats..  

Do any of you think a 71 year old woman like me can handle a pup.. we will have a very large yard with a 6 ft fence.. we will be in the country where Mike my husband can take her for long walks and swim in the creek..  Levi will give her a work out romping around also..

I will still target rescue asking for a pup..

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Also I have $1500 stuck away literely for a pup from a breeder

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I think anyone can handle a pup, honestly. I am not a fan of puppies (I mean, they are SO adorable and I want to kiss them and eat them all up! But I don't like the work of raising a puppy!) but I love dogs from 6 months and up. I say, around 6 months old they are old enough to learn quickly (not as distractible as younger pup) and not old enough to have been completely screwed up by a previous owner.

That said its all going to depend on where you get your dog. I would seriously look into rescues, and try to aim for a dog that's been in a foster home for some time. Then you will have an honest opinion on the dog's behavior, from someone who loves and understands them. Here in Michigan, we have a large Dobe rescue and while i'm not familiar with them personally, I do see they have many dobes on their petfinder page, all very well cared for and treated right. These type of rescues will be able to help you choose the right one.


Bruno is my first dobe so these are just general tips, for any breed. I personally think that having a good dog has a whole lot more to do with the way you carry yourself and project yourself to your dog, than on your physical size or capabilities.

I am really excited for you, I bet it's thrilling to look at all the pictures and daydream about your new friend! I love that part of choosing a dog.

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Thank you Brunos Mom.. I think that is good advice.. I was thinking about 6 months old.. may be hard to find but I am going to try.. I know a rescue here in Northern California that has puppies.. a rescue female had pups.. surprise.. but I dont know if any are going into foster care.. I can find out.. I would think they would get adopted very fast.  I am afraid when they see me with my cane they will say  NO you need a mellow older dog.. 

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Bet, I'm 62 and my last pup, DJ, has been a total joy.  She's 8 months old now.  The hardest thing for me to cope with was getting through the biting stage (I got her at 10 1/2 weeks old) because those little needle teeth kept me pretty much shredded along the backs of my hands and forearms until I finally got her stopped.  I walk and train with her daily, and she has other dogs here at home to chase around the yard for daily exercise, plus I take her weekly to a group walk with other dogs and humans and also to a play group that is supervised for some really rough playing and running to keep her muscles toned up and work out some of that young dobe energy.  She is really smart and learns fast, which helps with her training.  My long-term goal for DJ is to train her to be my wife's service dog, and I think she is showing some positive signs already that she will definitely get there one of these days.  So, age really doesnt have a lot to do with raising a pup, if you are determined enough to stay on top of things, keep it not only physically, but also mentally busy and active,  and give it room to run, even when you dont feel like doing it yourself.  Just my opinion.

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That would be great to have DJ for a service dog..  that was my dream also.. some dobes are so in tune with the family that a service dog would not be a hard thing to train..

I want her for therapy and maybe train her for some service jobs.. keep her mind going and training... I can do obedience training my self.. I will have to find a group to socialize her with more dogs.  I can walk at home but when having to do more than that it is difficult for me and my grand kids are not in my home but in college.  I maybe able to borrow a niece or nephew lol 

The female dobe i had that was so tuned into me she would almost naturally be a help to me as she grew to an adult.  

Advice or input and even Opinions welcome

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I remember the biting.. I have read all the posts with great advice and opinions.. the dobe is a wonder the mold into your life.. I just talked to Mike my husband that just bought a 2200 washer and dryer for us when I come back to calif.. he said i wanted a good one but hey i said that is going way out lol.. the refrig is next..  then our Dobe Doo.. 

I asked him if we can handle a baby dobie.. he laughted remembering the 2 we had.. and how wonderful they were..

So like i said I will take any advice or opinions without judgement.. because you all are so helpful and love Dobies and want the best for them..

I do want to give a rescue a home.. so this make things a little more thought..  I already bought her toys, a collar and matching leash.. I still have Angels training leash. als a dobie shirt to match one i bought.. is that silly or what lol

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So, I am currently a foster mom for a Cavalier.  This pretty little girl recently had her Owner die in February and now the spouse is going to a convalescent home.  She is with me until she finds her forever home.  

My only opinion on this matter is to have a back-up plan, should anything (not saying it will) happen.  My local humane society is trying to set up a Pet Guardianship Program. This is not just for the elderly but anyone who doesn't have a friend, neighbor, or family member who would take the dog today if they have to.  I know that if anything were to happen to both Kevin and I that Kevin's brother or sister would take our dogs.   In fact, there may a fight over Ellie!

That being said, I think anyone can handle a puppy!  Talk to the breeder and let them know what your needs are they will pair you with the best match.

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Thank you Honeybear..  I think I would like to find a rescue.. I can afford to get a pup from a breader but I would live to rescue..  I think hugs and kisses can go a long way with a rescue I am aware of all the other things but the love I will recieve and I will give will go a long way..

there is a mix at SOS she has not been adopted because she is a mix.. she may be a wild child not sure they say she is wicked smart..  I know a lot about that I had a female dobie like that

Thank you for your input

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Howdy Bet -  based on my recent experience raising an 8 week old who is now about 5 months old, I would recommend finding a pup at least 6 months or older through rescue or a breeder. A lot of breeders do have older pups that might make the transition easier for you. Enzo was a huge biter; crate training was difficult; is always into eating everything in the backyard he can find (aka I have to watch him nonstop) and he has extreme high drive with my other female dog (meaning I want to play/bite/jump on) all the time. Annie, my 4 year old aussie deserves an award for patience and is a good mentor to him. Bottom line - what ever you do it is a big commitment but it sounds like you know this and are doing some great research before your move forward. :)  Cheers ~ Lisa

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Thank you Enzos Mom, another member said 6 months is a good age also.. but finding a good breeder here in Northern California... I am not qualified to find one that is a true breeder and not a byb.  

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Bet are you on facebook?  There is a great facebook page for California Dobermans and there are some great recommendations for breeders.

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Oh and there is a club in Sacramento.. try to find them!  Sacramento Doberman Pincher Club.

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thank you I will.. dont know why i didnt think about that..  that is how i made friends with poodle people lol

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Bet,

I am currently raising a 10 week old dobe, Axel.  He is so full of energy and alot of work.  I think you know this and are up to the task.  With that said,  I wouldnt have it any other way.  I agree with the others, that a puppy from a rescue or even an older dog from a reputable breeder would be great for your situation.  Personallly I think it would be awesome to see a person or your age, with a cane, walking a beautiful Dobe. It would show people the gentleness of the Doberman. Whatever you decide, I wish you the best of luck.  Keep us posted.

 

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Tess

I also have an electric wheel chair the scooter brand.. I want to train a dog to walk beside it.. how about that.. my service dobie lol  I know I can train a dog.. My dobie i had was learning all the time and could read me.. so that is what make a good student.. I was not aware of a lot of thing that i am now.. but I have been to obedience many times over the years..with all my poodles.. they can be like dobies with curly hare lol.. 

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Hi Bet,

I agree with rescuing and making it an older dog, I know puppies are fun and you get a new moldable mind so to speak, but one of the things I have read here is about the jumping up on people when the dogs are young and with a cane that might be hazardous, I walk with crutches due to a leg ampuation, I really got nervous about the sharp little teeth and the jumping. I did find a great doberman rescue in my state and applied but they didn't work out they wouldn't adopt out to me, not sure if it was the crutches or my collie, don't know.

I work in Rottweiler rescue and the rottie is in the history of the doberman so I thought why not, so glad I chose wisely. It takes alot of soul searching and self honesty to realize what you are capable of doing physically, or better yet what you WANT to do, you say your husband would be walking the dog who would walk the dog when he is not there?

Have you considered carting with your doberman - that is something I wanted to do with my rottie but after watching him this past year I see where his hips are not strong enough to pull a human but he loves to pull a wagon and loves to pull the laundry basket to the bedroom for me. But if you use a scooter it might be fun for you to look into carting and it would allow you to exercise your dog while your husband is away. You do have to work with the dog on lead to teach the dog the commands such as left, right, (or gee haw) stop, forward, pull, easy, that sort of language there are great videos online of carting instructions but it's something that you can do alone and give the dog a total workout and you can get some things done too, a win win situation. Dogs love jobs......the only pre-requisite is that the dog know instantly the normal commands taught in obedience classes before beginning carting language and commands. Plus if you rescue a younger dog you could use the extra funds that you have saved for a puppy - adoption fee then use the rest to get the harness and cart.....just a thought. I am a believer in carting if the person has any physical limitations it's a great way to be out and about with the dog without having to hold a leash and walk and the bonding that occurs between a working dog and their parent/master is deep.......

Considering rescue, the foster parent should be able to help you determine a good fit. As for a puppy you just don't know about the health of a puppy from rescue, typically, so an older dog is a good bet cause you can get input from the foster as to the health of the dog whereas if you get a puppy it's a crap shoot as to whether you will have costly health issues down the road. But older rescues should have or be showing their health issues if you choose a dog that is one or two years old, some issues don't pop up until after 2 but you should have a better feel for the health the older the dog. Also and older dog will be potty trained and that keeps you from having to get up every few hours and let them go out, some things to consider...

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Talisin...

thank you for your honesty.  I know you are right.. so back to square one lol  there is a dobe mix on SOS she is very active.. but would a dobie girl be able to cart a 200 pound woman.

Hate to admit it but with not being able to excersise it is hard to loose weight..  

So now we look for a dobe girl that can pull a cart lol  I will look into carting never heard of it until you mentioned it.. thank you

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I would opt for slightly older pup or young adult.  I am 52, still working full time and the puppy phase was not for me although I just hate missing the adorable stage.  Getting Daymian at 15 months had the benifit of having everything i wanted, ears, tail, dew claws all done as well as being neutered.  Saved me a bundle of money. That left me with money to spoil him.  And a lot of time saved running to appointments and posting his ears for months.   A rescue will also be able to tell you how the dog gets along with other animals and may encourage you to bring the poodle to introduce.  They want what is best for the dobe (and you) and they don't want to go through placing  the dobe & then returning the dog to foster care.

 At the young adult stage, you will be able to see by playing with him / her a bit if the are a candidate for the trick or tricks of fetching items.  Look for a dog that likes to carry items in their mouth.  That will be your best bet.  If you toss a ball and they don't respond, they might not ever fetch.  If the dog picks it up and brings it toward you, you have a good candidate even if they did not do a full retrieve.

The foster or rescue will probably have spent significant time with the dog and will be able to tell you about all the quirks or habits.  I knew full well when I got Daymian that he was a dribble drinker.  He should have come with a mop.  Every drink requires a mop.  He leaves a 6 foot water trail every time.  We also knew he passed gas with frequency!  He showed that trait on the 5 & 1/2 hour drive home repeatedly!  We also knew he destroyed toys, but not any thing else ( keep an eye on children's toys though), sneaks on couches, gets along with horses, dogs, cats, exotic birds, likes following on horse trail rides, was a jumper when excited, up to date on shots, had recent flea treatment, likes to swim, & other information.  He also came with papers, and a certificate of health, tested disease free from his state vet something or other and a record of every vet visit in his 15 months of existance.

i only miss not being able to pick him up and cuddle him as a pup.  He was too big for that at 90+ pounds. But I did get pictures of his adorable puppy stage too.

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My grandma (R.I.P) got her last Doberman when I was 8. She was a sweet little puppers and, yes, she did go through the puppy stage and the "terrible twos" and the doberteens, what dobe doesn't? But she was my grandma's best friend. When she was adopted, gma was 76. My gma was 87 when she died, and Swish (gma loved basket ball. lol) followed her to the rainbow bridge 2 months later. You are NEVER too old to get a doberman puppy. You are NEVER too sick or disabled to get a doberman puppy... If you feel that you would like to go that route, just remember that you CAN do it.

Joelle.

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Thank you all for your input.. I think I will go with the young adult.. I will start there and maybe older. My female dobe was a dribbler lol didnt know there was a name for it.. but she would not rest until she wiped her mouth on someone.. i used to try to run for a towel and get her before she got me lol..

Thanks   Kar-Jinx .. you and Talsin are right.. I will continue to look for the young adult and find just the right one..

Joelle.  Your Gram sounded great.. like Tess said earlier older people should be seen with the dobie.. I have an electric wheel chair that I have not used too much yet just like going to the zoo with the kids etc. but I could excersise her and train her to heel along the chair.. We moved around for awhile with Mikes job so a big dog would have been hard..  But i asked Mike what about another dobe now especially with him working away for the next year or 2..  

I always felt safe with having a dobe around.. When Apollo died I felt that loss of being safe.. even though he was a love sponge and a leaner with everyone.  

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BET, as for carting with one dog and it being a female which makes them lighter and not as strong I would highly recommend - are you ready for it - TWO dogs.....not one but two, for carting especially if you are looking for a dog to haul a cart and a person of 200lbs - now a greater swiss mountain dog  they can pull 3000 pounds one dog, but dobies were not bred to haul carts so you definitely want to keep it light and fun for them so two dogs to haul a person or just get a great wagon hook up and "walk" your dog alongside your scooter while the dog hauls the wagon with some little thing like a small dog, hahahaha or some plants or something with a bit of weight but not much. that way the dog gets a job and you don't have to worry about adding too much weight to them by having them cart you, unless of course you opt for two dobermans hahahahaha wow something to add to your list of things to think about, :)) there is a great site where you can buy a conversion kit for a wagon that takes the single wagon handle off and replaces it with the proper carting yoke for a dog......you could also try the backpack for the dog if you decide not to cart - the dog wears the backpack and carries things for you in the backpack.......but the way you love dobies maybe two would work, hahahahaa

 

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WolfGirl, that story about your grandma really touched my heart.  My foster is so depressed right now. I've only had her less than two days.  She misses her people so much!  I have never seen a sadder dog.  If you look at her or try to touch her she shuts down and looks at the floor and pants nervously.  She won't move more than two steps and I have to pick her up to take her to the bathroom.   Her appetite has decreased and she is not interested in anything.  

Last night when I took her to the bathroom I squatted next to her, not making eye contact or touching her, and talked to her in a happy sing song voice and she wagged her tail briefly.  When I went to pick her up and bring her back in, she shut down again.  It was just a glimpse of the happy dog she once was.

I hope she can see past the darkness and move onto the next chapter of her life, but if she wants to join her Owner at the Rainbow bridge... maybe that will be the case.  Sometimes, like your grandma, they are just meant to be together, in this world and the next. 

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Talisin  you are so funny  2 dobie.. but I thought the back pack is a great idea...and she can have the job of heeling by my electric chair.. i could walk her that way and put a water bottle in her back pack..   That is a great picture you put up.. looks a lot like where we will be too..

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awww you mean you don't want two dobes, hahahahaha yes the backpack is a great working tool. Can't wait to see what your final decision is......two's company hahahahaha

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I usually don't decide until the very last moment on anything in life.  With Daymian, I was sure he was right the day before our 5 & 1/2 hour trip to get him.  Many emails with questions and answers.  You should look at all prospects.  By all means don't settle, or be in a hurry.  You will know when the right Doberman comes along.  You are going to live with this dog for many years.  Of course we all want to know what you decide when the day comes.  We'll want pictures too.  I started out wanting a female I was sure I would re-name "Lola". Then a male that I was going to re-name "Jagger".  Somehow I ended up with a "Daymian" and he responded so well to his own name, I gave up on "Jagger".  

Maybe you will even surprise yourself with your choice.  

Daymian & Duke both love their backpacks.  They know it means a walk.  The miniature pinscher Duke carries 2 zip lock bags of flour for weight, & Daymian carries our water bottles &  colapsable dog dishes.

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Well I need to get a female because of my little toy poodle male.. but I know when I see many dogs I will know when I see her..  speaking of collapable dishes i hve one in my car..

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That would be fun but no I want one lol  dont worry about picture I will take a lot..

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