Multiple Puppies

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My wife and I are getting 2 new dobie pups, a red/rust and black/rust. Calling them Chase and Charlie. I would like to know if anyone has training tips for training them both. A lot of ppl say it's impossible to train to puppies because they are more worried about each other than the owner. Is this true. They are brothers so i wouldnt think it would be that hard. Any suggestions?

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Brother dobermans are a very bad idea, for a wide variety of reasons.  I would definitely recommend making that choice, and I would also not call back a breeder that was ok with giving me 2 puppies, let alone 2 males, let alone 2 brothers.  It's asking for trouble.  This is not something that good breeders do.

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I think Kevin meant to NOT recommend adopting 2 at once. It will be an uphill battle, they will bond with each other, not to you and they might end up hating each other and needing to be separated. Male to male AGGRESSION is  real, it's also hard to know if and when it will happen. But one of them could kill the other one, out of the blue, when mature.

Even people who get a male female sibling pair have a very difficult time. I suggest you read Abby and Jeter threads The Terribble Two.

Why not get one and have a puppy that gets all your love and bonds with you completely, then introduce another after you have weathered the doberteens if you really think you want 2. Its so wonderful to own a dog who thinks you are the best thing in the world!!!

jmho, 

 Welcome to the forum, read up and learn!

Remember they don't stay cute and cuddly very long, and 2 90 lb dogs to raise and train is a big job, even 1 is a labor of love.

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Hi, Rhodie! 

How funny that you posted this, when I have a similar situation going on in my home! My puppies are not littermates--they are six weeks apart, but are quickly becoming inseperable! We just got Della a couple weeks ago, so this is still pretty preliminary.

I can tell you what I am doing to avoid the dreaded 'littermate syndrome,' and while I cannot guarantee that they still won't develop some dependency on each other, I think it's a pretty good start if you are committed to raising both of them. 

  • Separation: In order for them to navigate the world without one another, they have to be put in that position. Thus, you'll want to give them plenty of time apart form one another. I don't know if you'll be with them 24-7 or if you have a work out of the home, but you'll want to keep them separated inside your home at least a few hours a day. We don't let Della and Teddy sleep together as well--this gives them both some time to wind down. We don't crate train our pups, and so when they sleep together, they end up playing all night. 
  • Separate Training: Teddy (thankfully) had already gone through the majority of beginner training class before we got Della. He had already learned sit, stay, come, leave it, take it, down, and even shake before she showed up on the scene. The positives of this? Della watches her brother perform some task before getting food, toys, treats, etc, and so she has picked up on 'sit' faster than you can imagine. I know this is probably not an option for you, but enrolling them in separate training classes gives them both time to be alone with you, but also gets them in a group of people and puppies that aren't with his/her littermate. 
  • Separate Doggy Daycare: I am a HUGE believer in Doggy Daycare. We take Teddy once a week in order to get him around other dogs, and give him some real playtime that we just can't give him. No matter how much we run around the park, I'm not a dog. It's important to me that he recognizes that other dogs are not enemies. This (i believe) will come in handy when the dobes are 70+ pounds. :) Anyway, Della will start once-a-week daycare as well in a couple weeks, but not on the same day we take Teddy. I'm hoping this will give her some of the self-confidence and independence that she otherwise might not get if she spend all of her time with her brother. 
  • One-on-One Time: You HAVE to give them both one-on-one time with YOU. With Littermate Syndrome, often one of the pooches will suffer in this category--becoming more withdrawn, and not bonding as closely with you (instead bonding with her littermate). How do you combat this? Plenty of one-on-one time! 
  • Watching for negative behaviors: This is one area I'm still learning about, but it's important to not allow your puppies to bully one another. We don't let our pups eat out of eachother's bowls, or continually take away toys from one another. If one is getting too violent in play, we separate them. You want to make it clear that YOU are the one in charge, and that you will not allow negative behavior. You are the leader of the pack, not either of them. You control food, toys, treats, walks, all of it. 

 

I hope this is helpful. I have heard that two males often spells trouble, but perhaps if they are raised together this might not be as much of an issue. One of them should assume a submissive role from the beginning, I would assume. 

If you look under 'Doberman Behaviors,' you can see my post called 'Two puppies- Oh lord!.' There is another forum member who has raised two littermates who are now over a year old. She might have some more insights for you. 

If you do end up keeping both dobermans, I'd love to stay in contact as you raise them. It'd be nice to bounce ideas off of somebody who is going through the same thing! 

Thanks!

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Hi Rhodie, welcome to the forum.  There is a lot of good info here on reasons not to get littermates.  We had littermates, Tony belonged to my son and Tory was mine.  They did great as young pups, but OMG the energy.  It was non-stop.  My son got an apartment when the puppies were about a year old and took Tony with him.  About a year after that he got a job in NY City and it didn't work out for Tony, so thankfully Tony came home to me.  The dogs were great together for the most part.  There were spats, Tony played too rough for Tory, and Tony's ear was torn.  Nothing major, thankfully.  Fast forward to last February, we lost Tory to arthritis.  This is the part no one tells you about.  It's been just over a year and Tony is still not the same.  There have been other changes for this poor dog, but he misses his playmate.  My son now has a Dobe puppy, Sammy, and when they are here he seems like his old self again.  Just my 2 cents, but knowing what I do now, I would not do it again.  Good luck with you decision, read everything you can on male/male agression and the problems raising littermates

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Hey guys thanks for the advice. Now I'm kind of weary about getting the brothers, but not it becomes what other kind of breed would be good to raise with the dobie? I had a Brittany Spaniel! He was great high energy very smart. But he shed a lot. And it made my wife very sick. What kind of short hair dog would be good to raise with a dobe? Anyone have another breed of puppies? I'm willing to drive to get them. Price range about $500-$600. Please help.

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Maybe a female boxer/ But remember both very high energy! They will take a lot of time apart and need to be well supervised.

 

good luck:)

Do not get 2 puppies! and especially do not get 2 males/littermates. Any breeder who would sell you 2 puppies and especially 2 brothers is a terrible breeder!!

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just my two cents as a rescue person two words - rehome now

well I guess three words - rehome ONE now

Unless you want to work work work your butt off I personally don't want to spend my whole life worried about another dog attacking and killing the other I have enough trouble with my cats doing this I can't imagine two very skillful dogs going at it

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Ok guys thank you very very much. I have come to the decision that I will only be getting one Doberman puppy. I have taken you everyone's advice and changed my mind. I really appreciate it. Just a FYI could you guys go subscribe to me on YouTube. You can see my journey of raising him. The name of the video is Raising two Doberman puppies. I had thought I was getting two, but I'm going to post a new video today!! Thank you guys again!! Everyone.

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If you're looking in the 5-600 range, I would recommend a rescue.  It's scary to think of the kind of breeder selling dogs at that price.  :-)