How long did it take your puppy to become accustomed to the crate?

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Vega is not home, yet. But we are preparing for her arrival. We will be bringing her home just a few days (8 to be exact) prior to moving to our new home. Will that be enough time to properly crate train her?

We are moving to a townhome with a fenced in backyard. But we are worried that any whining/barking due to crate training may disturb the neighbors.. and we definitely do not want to get started on the wrong foot. The last thing we want is them to associate noice with our dobie.

I will be searching this forum for proper crate training methods but just wanted to ask if 8 days will be enough prior to our move.

Thank you :)

ETA: Accidentally placed in wrong forum.

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Crate training is something that should be done gradually, for small increments of time and gradually increase those increments.  Start off with 5, 10 15 minutes and work up slowly to an hour, then 2, and so on.  A puppy should be left in a crate for MAX 5 hours at a time, and only after they've become accustomed to crating for shorter increments.  As for the whining, it all depends on the individual.  I'll wager that it will take much longer than one week for Vega to become fully crate trained. 

I can see your point with the neighbours and not wanting to get off on the wrong foot.  I would probably go over and introduce myself, let them know that you have a new puppy and appologize in advance if the noise bothers them.  If the neighbours don't have dogs, carry her over and introduce her (I say carry because she won't have had all her shots and walking on the sidewalk exposes her to the risk of contracting parvo).  Explain that you are crate training her and that the whining will hopefully resolve itself quickly.  It's hard for people to be mad if you approach things that way...and if anyone does still get upset chances are they aren't the type of people you would end up being on good terms with anyways.

Some things you can do to reduce the whining...

Make the crate a positive place to be.  You can read all about this on other threads, but do things like feed her in there, make it feel like a den, give her treats and toys that she LOVES and make them her special crate treats/toys. 

When you start to increase the time to longer than 15 minutes, IGNORE her while she whines.  You don't want her to think that whining is a good way to get your attention.  As pitiful as she will sound, don't talk to her, look at her, or even go in the same room if you can help it.  The faster she learns that crying won't get her anywhere, the quicker she'll stop.

If you are crating her to go out of the house, don't make a big fuss before you leave.  Try to stop interactions with her 15 minutes or so before you go, then just put her straight in the crate and head right out the door.  If you don't make a big deal about leaving then neither will she.

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Sweetpea said it all! Also, plenty of questions on this on training threads.

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I brought Drake home yesterday (10 weeks) and last night, it took about 10 minutes to get comfortable with his crate.  I introduced it to him by throwing treats in it, he sniffed around, and pretty much threw a lot of treats in it until he plumped down and fell alseep.  He came out about 20 minutes later to play then walked back in by himself, cried for no more than a minute bc he wasn't getting attention, fell asleep for 30 minutes until I closed the gate to see how he would react and nothing.  He watched the gate close then fell right back alseep.  I woke up this morning and opened the gate to take him out and he was just watching me.  No crying, no barking...just stretching until he was able to jump and lay on me.  He did his business, went for a walk, and he walked right back into his crate (gate opened) and is still in there.

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WOW, are you lucky!!  My Tango is 12 weeks old now.  We picked him up at 8 weeks, from a friend/breeder.  He is not that calm at all.  He hated his crate until we put it in our bedroom.  Never had a issue before.  We have had a dobe our 34 years of marriage and Tango maybe our last.  He is challenging us every step of the way.  

Anyone had any troubel with the Parvo booster.  Tango almost died from his 9 week booster.  Raced him back to the vet where they gave him a IV steroid shot.  It did the trick, BUT it made him crazy and he lost bladder control.  He was 90% housebroken at that point.  Took him for his 12 week booster, they gave him a steroid shot before and I had given him Benadryl at home.  No issue until later in the day he lost bladder control again and was crazy for a day.  I am very concerned about the steroid affect on his organs.  Vet says don't worry, I trust no one.  This cannot be good.  I asked them to give it in smaller doses over a week peroid and they claim once a reaction always a reaction.  They also are recommending FIVE boosters rather than the normal four because Dobes supposedly are much more prone to Parvo.  We have never had a issue with Parvo with our "kids".  Anyone have any issues or suggestions.  We go back in three weeks for the fourth booster.

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You should post this in the health section so others might see it.

As far as 5 boosters I think that's crazy from what I have heard its 3 if your last one is after 16 weeks and 4 if your third one is before 16 weeks

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<<Anyone had any troubel with the Parvo booster.  Tango almost died from his 9 week booster.  Raced him back to the vet where they gave him a IV steroid shot.  It did the trick, BUT it made him crazy and he lost bladder control.  He was 90% housebroken at that point.  Took him for his 12 week booster, they gave him a steroid shot before and I had given him Benadryl at home.  No issue until later in the day he lost bladder control again and was crazy for a day.  I am very concerned about the steroid affect on his organs.  Vet says don't worry, I trust no one.  This cannot be good.  I asked them to give it in smaller doses over a week peroid and they claim once a reaction always a reaction.  They also are recommending FIVE boosters rather than the normal four because Dobes supposedly are much more prone to Parvo.  We have never had a issue with Parvo with our "kids".  Anyone have any issues or suggestions.  We go back in three weeks for the fourth booster.>>

 

5 boosters is really over the top.  I give a series of three shots to my puppies, at 8,12 and 16 weeks.  Don't give boosters that include leptospirosis, as this particular vaccine frequently causes side effects.

A puppy only needs one shot of the core vaccines (parvo, distemper, etc.) if it's given at the "right" time.  The problem is that right time is different with every puppy, depending on the amount of maternal antibodies provided by the dam, and how fast it's assimilated by each puppy.  This is why puppies are given a series of shots, using the idea that at least one of those shots will be given during the proper window of time.

What I would do in your situation, given your puppy's reaction, is to ask your vet to titer test the puppy for pavo and distemper.  Titer testing lets you know if the dog has sufficient antibodies against disease.  If the titer testing result shows adequate protection for parvo and distemper, then I wouldn't give any additional shots in the puppy series.  Titer testing for parvo and distemper at my vet costs about $80.  I do this with all of my dogs annually, rather than giving them booster shots they don't need.

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There actually have been recent studies on the Parvo and Distemper series CF and it is showing that 5 boosters may be in the dogs best interest, especially in parvo prone areas.  The mother's immunities wear off around 12 or 14 weeks and the final vaccine at 16 weeks may not be enough to fully boost the immunities so some are doing it for 4-5 doses.  Also keep in mind they may end up getting more if they were started too young, or at a weird age, and go over the usual time frame.

Vaccine reactors are flagged for life to the vaccine.  I would double check what steriod they are giving and know that the "loss of bladder control" is normal when on steriods.. its more that they have to go more frequently rather than not having control.. so that could be why the accidents happened.

Protocol that I am aware of, depending on the severity of the allergic reaction, is that you drop the puppy off for the vaccine to be administered.  They give the dog an injection of an antihistamine first (Benadryl) and then give the vaccine, monitor for up to 4 hours, and have the steriod should it progress that far.

I will say that with age sometimes they have less severe reactions.

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I just instructed a friend with a litter of pups and the discussion with his vet (my vet too) turned to the 5 booster program. It is all the timing for me, so I agree with murreydobe that the 5 boosters is
"over the top" hahahahaha or my way "to damn much"!!!! Bottom line is get them done at the right time and be aware of the area you live in and the circumstances it offers. 'Can't help with the crate training I never used them but everyone here has at one time so theres plenty of info. You should have an OB trainer set up to go to once the pups cleared to venture out and start with basic house manners immediately. get stuff put away thats in reach very simular to child proofing and start out using the same terminology so the pup doesn't get bombed with 2 and 3 words with the same meaning. If your repeating "No" ALOT!! Stop and sit down with your pup and have some fruit and relax. You've just taken on a family member who will want and need your advises 24/7 or she'll train you! Von

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ok, then another question: crate training regression... diesel (4 mo male) was fine in his crate.  he cried for about 5 min then was fine.  3 weeks later, if he is in his crate and hears me moving around (i work from home a lot) he starts up, and it is something you guys.  howling, barking, the whole bit.  what the heck?  we are exercising him, we have kept the schedule the same, i don't get it.  all i am doing now is ignoring and a refuse to tiptoe around him, but i will say, when he gets quiet, it's really nice and i dont want to move ;)  suggestions??