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This is not for a question about housebreaking, but rather to offer some help. I see alot of housebreaking threads so rather than a lengthy reply to every one, I'm just going to put this here.

I can help! I'm a professional trainer and my mentor specialized in housebreaking so, not to brag, but I can housebreak any dog. My almost 4 month old puppy has NEVER had an accident. And, he sleeps in the bed with me, never has been crated. He's consistenly able to hold it for up to 9 hours. Naturally, the younger the pup, the less time they are capable of holding it...but they can hold it for longer than most people realize. They just have to be taught that they can. Their instinct is to potty whenever/wherever they feel the urge. You have to teach them the habit of holding it. It's pretty simple really.

If anyone needs help please feel free to post a reply to this, or send me a private message. Let me know how old your dog is, how often it is getting food/water, what you've tried so far, and any other details you feel could be helpful. I'd be happy to help with any housebreaking issues.

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I'm sure your mentor who specialized in housebreaking said while it's not impossible for a 3-4  month old to hold it for 9 hours, it's also extremely uncomfortable and can lead to bladder issues down the road :-)   The rule of thumb for young puppies is one hour per month of age.  So while yes, your dog may be ABLE to hold it for 9 hours, it's also most likely extremely uncomfortable.  This is different at night time or if your dog is sleeping, or inactive, as in those situations they can comfortably hold it longer than during the daytime when they are more active.  

As a pro trainer I'm sure you know this, just didn't want new people coming to the site and thinking their 3-4 month old should be able to hold it for 9 hours in all situations.  But depending on the dog, 4-5 months is typically the range most dobermans will be able to hold it through the night without having to go out.

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Actually, no, it's not uncomfortable at all the way I do it. It all revolves around a schedule. If the schedule is followed strictly, 8-9 hours is not a problem at all. I've used this on every dog I've owned, and I had a Dane live to be 14. No health problems of any sort. It's all dependant on the owner and how much work they're willing to put into it.

Our local vets actually sent people to us specifically for housebreaking. I'd never do anything to harm an animal. :) Following my schedule is what's kept my little dude from having any accidents. It just works...and it's vet approved ;)

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So how does your method bypass the size of a puppy's bladder?  Do your dogs not get enough water or something?

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As I said...vet approved. I don't think the vet, or actually vets (we work with several in the area), would approve of puppies not getting enough water. My puppy rarely drinks all of the water I offer. It's all about the schedule and timing. All of my dogs are perfectly healthy and vet checked regularly.

I was only offering help for those who need it...not trying to debate my training methods. If you think my advice is bad, don't take it. Any good trainer knows that thete's more than one way to train a dog. If you have something that works for you, by all means, no reason to change it. But many people have housebreaking issues, and I'm just offering advice. 

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I would be very curious to hear your advice, certainly.   If nothing else, it is more information in the arsenal.

 

My Koko is now about 5 months old.  He has mostly gotten very good about pee accidents in the house, but we are still keeping him crated between mealtime (he is fed usually about 11 am, then again at about 6-7 pm) and whenever he moves his bowels, which can be anywhere from half an hour later, to a few hours...  because he doesn't seem to even try to hold it, just goes whenever the need hits.  I take him outside every 45 mins-hour when he is awake, or as soon as he wakes up if he naps.

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I think we are all interested in the "advice" but have not seen any posted so we are asking questions such as - is water withheld, limited etc. without any advice or method listed we aren't even debating anything at this point - we are wanting to know what you are doing so we can learn....so please fill us in.....cause I know all my dogs have been able to hold it for 9-10 hours but they were not able to do that as a puppy (less than a year old) in my opinion its not healthy for a youngster to be expected to hold it that long - even without water the natural bodily processes are still going to need to relieve themselves in that length of time. After a year I was able to let my dogs go 9 hours maximum and only once in a blue moon, maybe once every 6 months at the most were they ever forced to endure that time period, 6 hours was the most I would be away and I did notice that as they aged the stress placed early on, on the bladder took it's toll in their golden years. For instance the dogs that had to be left while I worked for 8 hours, they needed more out time as they got older than 11 years and I knew it was from stress on the bladder at a young age. We as humans cannot hold it for 10 hours and our bladders are much larger than our dogs so try holding your own water for 10 hours and then realize your dog has a smaller holding vessel and although the dog is not showing distress that you can see visually does not mean that they are not about to pee their pants or trying to cross their legs.

That's been my experience - so I am very interested in what method/advice you can give to shed light on this subject as so many have young dogs that might be interested and us old timers would like to know what me might have missed ........

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Actually, you didn't offer any advice, and we can't debate methods because they haven't been told yet lol.  I was curious, not looking to start trouble.   

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The reason I've not given any advice, if you'll read my original post, is because I have to know specifics to know how to approach it. Every dog is different, every owner is different. What works for one person and dog, might be different for another. For instance, some people are home with their dogs all of the time, or have someone available to help when they're not home. Whereas, someone like me, that works 10-14 hours a day and who has a husband that works away from home for weeks at a time, don't have that luxury. I'm fortunate enough to be able to take my dogs to work with me (not all of them at the same time, right now the puppy goes with me everyday). Not everyone can do that. So, how I would approach housebreaking for myself might be a little different than how I would approach it for someone home all day, or someone gone for long periods of time.


That being said, I DO NOT withold water or food from my dogs. My older dogs are free fed and watered...meaning even when I'm not home their food and water is available to them at all times. I fill it up before I leave. And even when I work a long day... I will never have a mess to clean up when I get home. They're loose in the house, doing whatever they please (likely sleeping on my bed) all day long, sometimes up to 14 hours. Could they potty in the house? Of course. There's no one here, they could do whatever the please. But they don't. Their habit is to go outside, and that's what they do. Since I'm in contact with so many dogs, my dogs go to the vet every three months (puppy much more frequently now since we're racking ears). I like to know they're healthy...and they are, without a doubt.

My puppy, on the other hand, is not given free food or water. He is fed on a schedule throughout the day. He gets his food first, then his water. Right now three times a day. He eats until he is full, then he gets water, as much as he wants. I give him food first so that he doesn't fill up on water and then not want to eat his food (I let him have a couple of laps of water before food just to wet his whistle), which is where his nutrition comes from. I feed a high quality dry kibble. I don't measure his food or water... I let him have all he wants within a 15 minute time frame. It usually only takes him about 5-7 minutes to step away from the bowl on his own. Then, as I said, all the water he wants. I keep the schedule strict. I feed at 9am, 1pm and 5pm. I keep this schedule to a T, because if I know when it goes in, I'll know when it needs to come out. If I were to stray from the schedule and not feed him until 10am one morning, then the routine would be blown. He would likely have an accident, which would then quickly become his habit. I take him out first thing in the morning, 15 -20 minutes after each meal, after he's had a nap, after each play period or training period, before and after every car ride, and 30 minutes before bed.

Would this work for everyone? No. But it works for me. He goes everywhere with me, so I have more freedom than some would.

Now for the pottying part. When I take him out to potty, that's all we're going outside to do. Not to play, not to work...just to potty. And we're not going to take all day to do it. I take him to the same place each time. I stand in one spot and he has the lenght of the 6ft. leash to go all the way around me. I don't walk all over the yard encouraging him to smell every blade of grass before he'll go potty. And I NEVER let him out off leash. I use my side door to take him out for potty time. When we go out to play I use the front door. Repetition forms habit. He's already figured out that when we go out the side door, it's potty time. I grab the leash and he sits by the door waiting. If I head to the front door, he grabs his ball or rope and comes galloping along to go play. The repetition that I've used has taught him that there's a time and place to potty outside, and there's a time and place to play outside, and they're different. When it's time to potty, I don't stand outside half the day waiting. I give him about 5 minutes, if he doesn't go (he didn't at first, does now though), we come back in and wait about 10 minutes and try again. I live in Arkansas...we have ice, tornados and extreme heat..I don't want to stand outside for half an hour to get him to potty. When we go out I tell him, "go potty, hurry up". When he goes I love and praise him up and immediately come back in. Through this repetition he has already learned that he better get his butt out there and potty because I'm not waiting all day, and we're not doing anything fun until he potties. Right now it's taking him about 3 minutes to do his business and be ready to come back in and move onto something fun. And this will carry him into adulthood. He's already learning it. Faster than any puppy I've ever had actually....

My shepherd loves to play in the rain... She's an inside dog, she sleeps in my bed...I'm not crazy about her playing in the rain, especially in the evening. I open the door, tell her "outside, go potty, hurry up"...she runs to her potty spot, does her business and comes right back in. If it's nice out, I'll tell her "outside". She knows this means that's it's okay to play for a while, she doesn't have to come right back. (My yard is 2 acres and completey fenced in, for the record. I don't advise letting your dogs run free with no fence.) But because of the repetition I used when training her, she knows the difference. I use the same words everytime, depending on what I want her to do. "Outside, go potty, hurry up" means get your butt out there and do your business and come back inside. "Outside" means go be a dog...smell the flowers, roll in the grass, go potty, whatever.


Repetition forms habit. I can't stress that enough... If you take your dog out and allow him to play and stay out there for half an hour trying to get him to potty, it won't take him long to figure that out and take advantage of it. If you let him know right from the start that you're not playing around with potty time, he'll catch on. Dogs learn through repetition. My shepherd responds to over 140 voice command and hand signals. Every single one of them was taught through repetition. Housebreaking is no different. Get good repetition, never anything negative with housebreaking. You don't want to scare a puppy when it comes to housebreaking. No punishment. There's no repetition in that. If my puppy has an accident in the house, it's my fault. No doubt about it. If I do my job correctly, it won't happen (and hasn't for me). There's always going to be exceptions to that of course.. If you have a sick dog or something of that nature, some things just can't be helped. I've just been lucky so far with this puppy. My Bulldog on the other hand...we had a few accidents. She was a rescue from a puppy mill and had a few issues when I got her. She's healthy now (at almost 4 yrs.), though it took a while.

Now, all of this being said, there's no way for me to accurately give one piece of advice that would work for every single person. Every dog, person, and situation is different. If any trainer ever tells you "this will work for every dog, every time"...they're wrong. No good trainer would say that...ever. If you want that, find one of those six week, circle jerk group classes where the only thing you and your dog get is confused.

I love dogs, all dogs, and I'm passionate about my job. And I'm good at it. If I come off harsh, I don't mean to. Dogs never disappoint me, people always do....


I hope that cleared things up a bit. And in retrospect, offering advice online is not a great idea. If I tell one person something, then another tries to apply it and it doesn't work for them....no one's happy. I'll just stick to training in person. It works better than way...

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I think it's very helpful to have some advice online usually dog people can modify and use what they know will work and leave what won't on the table so to speak. And your routine of food, water, potty etc. is a guideline that will work for all puppies cause that's the way the puppy body works, food/water then potty time there are some things that are universal and some things that can be tailor-made for the situation.....

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WOULD LOVE SOME HELP FROM YOU!!! I AM HAVING PROBLEMS!!! 

NOLA IS NOW 12 WEEKS OLD. THE BREEDER SOLD THEM AT 3 WEEKS OLD SO I HAVE HAD HER SINCE THEN, SHE IS DONING GREAT POOPING OUTSIDE BUT SHE WILL PEE OUTSIDE AND COME RIGHT BACK IN AN PEE AGAIN. NOW,WE FEED MORNING @6 AND THEN AGAIN @5:30PM. WE BOTH WORK OUTSIDE THE HOME SO NO ONE IS WITH HER. SOMETIMES MY DAUGHTER IS HOME FROM COLLEGE AND WILL TAKE HER OUT WHEN SHE IS THERE BUT THIS IS NOT ALL THE TIME. WE FEED DRY KIBBLE NUTRO ULTRA LG BREED PUPPY. SHE IS KEEP IN A KENNEL WHEN WE OR AT WORK AND THEN AGAIN AT NIGHT BECAUSE OF HER POTTING IN THE HOUSE WHEN/ IF WE EVER GET HER TRAINED SHE WOULD BE LEFT TO RUN THE HOUSE AND AT NIGHT SLEEP WITH US BUT NOT RIGHT NOW.

PLEASE HELP!!!!

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April,

I just responded to your private message. I hadn't seen your post on here until just now. Just ignore that e-mail...my questions have been answered...LOL. I'll get back with you here in a bit with some further details and suggestions. Sorry for the confusion on my part. Just didn't see your post :)

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So far so good on CD's posted-- following religiously, lol! we are having the normal tantrums concerning having to wait for food and the need for constant attention. Just wanted to clarify on water--- do we only offer puppies water during meal times? We have included all access to water during outside playtimes due to this TN heat.

home parameters: 

The brothers, Ghingus & Khan,(12-14 weeks) are never left home alone.

We are following CD's posted schedule. 

Writing down everything to watch for behaviors, etc. 

 

 

 

 

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Yes, water during outdoor playtime is fine....just small amounts at a time. If he drinks till his belly looks bloated, that's too much...lol. My puppy has been having some water between meals due to the heat as well. It's fine as long as you don't start having pee accidents... If you do, cut it back. Don't stop it. Just monitor the amounts he's getting. Keeping the log is a great idea! I'd record how much water he's getting...that way if you do have an accident you can look back and see how much he had, then I'd decrease that by 1/4 cup at a time until he's back on track :) Keep up the good work!! It's completely possible to never have an accident, just takes a little more work on our part :)

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Not to stir up a hornets nest but puppies need water and thirst that is not quenched can lead to health issues.....there is a reason there is thirst, yes withholding water will keep the pee down - nothing in nothing out - but I think it would be contra indicated in puppies for sure as they have energy to burn and that dehydrates them, yes I read where it's ok during playtime, but remember what it's like when you are thirsty what if you were told you couldn't have water when you needed it? that would be cruel in my opinion, withholding water in the kennel during the night etc. might be fine but just to keep the potty accidents down there has to be a better way......the kidneys need water to flush toxins out of the body and withholding water will cause toxins to build up and will cause issues later on as the dog ages....this is very concerning to me water is the elixir of life without it we die and/or the organs fail.....and yes later down the road what is done to the puppy body will affect the dog body......it just doesn't sound like a good protocol for future health.....

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And, as I've already said. My method is approved by several vets. If you're not comfortable with it, don't use it. Several people on here have private messaged me for help, and it's working for them. I'm sure if their vets didn't approve they wouldn't do it. I'm sorry if you disagree, but you've made your point already...you don't like it. That's fine. I'm not forcing it on you, or anyone. My puppy gets plenty of water. As I've already stated, he usually doesn't even want all that I offer. Also, again, I had a Dane live to be 14...that was potty trained with this method. I think that's a pretty impressive age for a Dane...he was obviously in good health. Right to the end he never lost control of his bowels or bladder, which tells me there wasn't a problem there. And hundreds of my clients will say the same thing. One in particular, that I've trained 2 dogs for so far, works for my vet, as a tech. She has for 13 years. I'd be happy to give you the name and phone number of my vet clinic, and I can assure you that you'll get a stellar recommendation for our training business. Again, I'm sorry if you disagree, but I think you've already made that clear. Is it really necessary to continue? I get one post questioning my methods, which I explained. But why keep it going? For the people that have asked, I've given them advice. No one has to take it.

Some people work 8 hours a day, and sleep 8 hours a night.... By your logic, that would be detrimental to their dogs health since the dog is kenneled during that time and doesn't have water available. You haven't seen everything that I've told everyone who's messaged me. As I've explained, every situation is different and I do things a little different for the each situation to accomodate the owners needs.

So again, I'm sorry you don't agree, but you don't even know half of what I do and how I address these things. People have messaged me in private to get private help. If you have a problem with that I wish you'd do the same, instead of calling me out publicly when you don't have all the information that is shared in private messages.

And one more time. I'm not forcing anything on anyone. I'm simply giving the advice that is asked for. The owners can decide for themselves if it's right for them. Or, like I do if I'm concerned about the health of my puppy, they can consult their vet. Nothing wrong with getting a second opinion from another professional....

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Think I'll send posts to you private from now on. Geez!

I just hate that the info wouldn't be shared with those who truly need it. 

Because they are puppies , they see the vet frequently. Right ?!

We show him everything we and the puppies have done. 

I am a compulsive note taker and can tell you what they both were doing 10am 2 days ago!

We can walk to our vet and he can drive by at any time. 

All has been vet approved. 

They are the ones with the degree not us. ...and certainly without lofty ideals. 

Opinions here are what they are-- opinions. We all have them. 

I would just rather bank on seasoned experience and my vet.

Just sayin!

Giddy Up!

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Newbies---start following cdlandrum for great info that works!!

We noticed a difference within 48 hours!

Just be smart when reading drama opinions against.

Ask your vet in order to quiet your soul about anything and assure you about everything.

Keep on Keepin' On!

Giddy Up!

 

 

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Cd sorry you felt I "called you out" I did not, I was just stating that withholding water is something others really need to consider the pros and cons for their dog, it was not to call you out. Anyone here knows my first concern are the dogs and that was the spirit of my post sorry your felt otherwise and it was not drama it was concern.....

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I would suggest, especially with dobermans, to talk to a breed expert to get the ok, if it hasn't been done.  In general, most vets have a wide range of knowledge, but may not know all the specifics of individual breeds.  Your average dog enthusiast will know signifcantly more about the breed they love than most any vet, unless that vet specializes.  Dobermans are a breed prone to bloat, and one of the main causes of bloat in dobermans is binge drinking/eating.  More active dobermans will absolutely not be able to go on a schedule like this, and it could be dangerous.  Doberman puppies, and especially the more drivey ones should really have water available at all times, whether or not your vet agrees with that.  It's also a big factor this time of year when we have high temperatures, as their coat is not efficient for cooling/heating, so it will be very easy to overheat your dog.  With dobes being as stoic as they are, you probably wouldn't see any indication of this until it was a real problem though, which can also be dangerous.  Not trying to rain on your parade, but I think it was important to be said.

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Ty is 8 weeks old i've. Had him since he was six weeks old and he still goes in the house even though i take him out every hour on the hour and he screams ans cries all night long... someone please help im at my wits end..         

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Janelle you could ask kevin if you could email him using the little envelope on his post, he can help you with the puppy stage you are in as can alot of people here, but if you want to work directly with someone who has been through all these issues you might see if Kevin or one of the breeders mind if you contact them directly. Kevin is very versed in training these little guys.....and ALOT of forum members have gotten through this stage that you are in and will have tons of suggestions just hold on and don't get upset with TY and fuss at him .......help is on it's way I'm sure....

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Lol! I could never get upset with him he's to darn cute! Bit the lack of sleep and my toes constantly bein bit is killin me lol.. thank you so much for the advice..

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Hello kevin. You were recomended for my eight week old terror lol. I guess its all the usual puppy stuff hes doin, hes really mouthy, i take him out every hour and he is still piddelin in the house, and just last night got him to sleep most of the night.. please help! Pretty please;)

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While I appreciate the mention, let's try to not completely derail the OP's topic, if anyone has questions please start a new topic, or feel free to send me a message.

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Ok, there's quite obviously some people are just intent on not letting this go. For those of you I've been private messaging with, I'm glad it's working for you. Keep at it. My little dude is now completely house broken. He's now on free food and water and we've still had zero accidents. He was alone yesterday loose in the house for about 5 hours...so no matter what anyone else tells you, it works. And he was at the vet last week to get reweighed for his flea/heartworm meds, and to make sure his ears were still looking good. He's healthy as a horse :) Also, I looked back in my client files, and in the last 3 years (that's as long as I keep files on former clients), I've trained 147 dobies, some still currently in training. I'm still in pretty regular contact with about half of those folks, and their dogs are all happy and healthy. And I'm starting a new litter next week that belongs to a breeder that I've trained for for about 8 years now. Woohoo! They'll always be my favorite breed to train, they're just so darn easy to work with. Eight week old dobie pups have a better attention span than my three year old bulldog...LOL.


All of that being said, good luck to you all with your pups. I really don't think this is the place for me so I'm just going to bow out and keep looking for a friendly forum home :)

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Cd wherever you go I will follow------

let me know where you end up! Hate to loose such a valuable contact! 

Shame on you all for doing this! 

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as far as I know cd has not been run off, in fact I commend CD for all the efforts that she goes through to save the animals that she finds in deplorable conditions, she fights a hard and usually human thankless fight, I too have and do fight that same fight and appreciate her efforts to no end. This group has so many people each with things that work for one and not for the other, the varied advice here is just that - varied -and there are usually numerous scenarios and end results discussed so that whomever is asking can have enough information to make an informed decision on their own and not just follow anyone blindly....when experiences are posted and worries voiced it's to help the original poster make informed decisions, without varied responses one might not do their own research and make up their own minds. The only ones run off are trolls and those that pop in to say they are going to do this or that with their doberman just to anger all animal lovers. Since most questions deal with the future of an animals life it is important that all advice be read, researched, and then researched again by the person needing advice, no one should take one person's word as the "one and only" advice cause their dog's life could be in jeopardy. Having been here for years now I can say that any posts from forum members with questions on how certain things are done - those posts are done with nothing but the best interests for the dog. CD has more to offer this forum than this one thread so it would be shame to see her leave over one thread....

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I'd just like to point out my friendly request for help/information was entirely ignored.  *shrugs*

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Hmmmmmm that doesn't seem right....maybe it got lost in the mail???

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Ya mine was ignored also.... but no biggy ill get through it on my own and do my own research that way i dont have to inconvenience anyone and i can also say i trained my little guy all on my own. Seems to me like all pups are different and have their own personality and you just have to stay persistent on how your training them and it will eventually stick

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Yes I believe most failures are due to the humans just not wanting to spend the time to work with the puppy they have and making sure that puppy is being monitored etc. it takes ALOT of human effort and most people don't want to expend that much effort, it's always easier to try to make the puppy conform - instead of the person conforming until the puppy is capable of meeting the requested needs of the human.

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Tannaidhe, you may be at the point where you need signal.   Does Koko seem to understand that outside is the right place to go?  I remember being at that point and all I we needed was to show him how to tell us be needed to go. Just a thought. 

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He goes (at least to pee) every time I take him outside (even if he doesn't really need to and he squats for about thirty seconds and can only manage a dribble lol... and no, not in the 'I need to but can't' way like a bladder infection, just he's trying to be good but I just took him out twenty minutes ago...)  I think, yes, we're just at the stage that he hasn't made the connection that he can ASK to go outside.  We have door bells, and ring them EVERY time we open the door to let him out, and get him to 'touch' them frequently as well (and immediately open it while praising him), he just can't seem to make that connection.  I really want to quit using his crate at all except maybe at night, but until he makes that leap, I don't see how I can, unless I want to be cleaning up constant accidents....  even taking him out every 20-30 minutes isn't 100% effective.

This is the part at dog ownership I always fail at.  -.-  My only dogs that I have managed to 100% housebreak were primarily outside dogs.  I can get them going mostly outside, but they almost always have accidents.

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Oh that is frustrating!  The bells really were the what made the leap for Harley.  Try doing basic targeting for the next week.  Just teach him to touch your hand with a post-it on it.  "Touch" *click* reward.  "Touch" *click* reward.  Repeat.  

Then move that same post-it (or the same color, cause I am sure by now the original post it is covered in doberdrool) to the bells.  "Touch" *click* reward.  But this time the reward is opening the door.  I wouldn't open that door until he touched the bells with his nose.  Since you are taking him out frequently, then you get to practice this frequently.

But you may have a monster on your hands for while. Cause then Koko will realize his new found power!  Lol!  

Because of target training, Harley touches his nose to everything he wants.  He will go to closed doors and touch the doorknob.  He will touch his food bowl.  He will touch his toys.  It is actually quite helpful and it makes it easy for him to communicate to us.

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We have bells for Ares as well. I didn't want them but my son doesn't pay enough attention to notice Ares just sitting at the door. Ares doesn't bark for anything yet or whine. Every time we take him outside we would pick up his paw and make him ring the bell. Or put our hands on each side of him and guide him to touch it with his nose. A few days of dong that and he got the hang of it. Now he rings them all the time. Drives me nuts cuz he goes potty and comes inside then a minute later he rings them again because he wants to go play. The only time he has had an accident now is when it's raining. He hates going out in the rain but he is getting better at that as well. I think what worked for us doing this was we never rang the bells ourselves we made him do it every time. I have also heard that others would offer a treat when the bell was rang to go out. We didn't treat but this might work for you. 

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I'm trying to perfect this house breaking thing. We currently just bells on the do so parker can tell us when he want to go outside. Would you suggest only having him ring the bell when he has to go to the bathroom & then say go potty. Would you do something different for going outside. Also do you only say potty once or do you try to catch him in the act in the beginning so he starts relating the word. Any advice would help. 

thanks Scott