Help with house training

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Ok, so I've house trained puppies before with success, but Andre is throwing me for a loop. He prefers to go indoors. Ah!! He hates the cold. Yeah I know, he's a Doberman. I hate the cold too, lol. But even with praise, praise, praise, he is so far not wanting to do his business outside. I know he was used to being able to go indoors at the breeder's, as she had a large puppy room that she said they were always in when she couldn't supervise them and they would always go potty in that room. She did take them outside with their mom and they would go outside but not consistently. So, he has learned that its ok to go potty inside. The funny thing is, he wants to upstairs in the bathroom to potty. That's great if you're a human, lol. I have put up a gate so he can't go up stairs at will. 

At the breeders he was eating twice a day and I have continued that at our house. Most pups have to poop right after or soon after eating. Not Andre. He's doesn't poop till an hour or more later, so I have trouble "predicting" when he has to go.

I'm doing my darnedest to be consistent with him and take him out frequently and after he eats, wakes up and after playing. But many times he just stops all of a sudden without the typical warning signs and goes. I rush him out but he doesn't finish. We are crate training as well.


He's going potty inside more than outside and I can't seem to break the cycle. Does anyone have some suggestions for me how to overcome this?

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Phin would also delay his bowel movement past what the "normal" timeframe is for a puppy.

This may seem odd but if you keep an eye on his rectum, you should be able to see it "pulsing" indicating that he has to empty his bowel soon, it worked for us in timing it for Phin to go out and be successful in his potty training. 

You're right about the "pulsing". When I see that I take him out, but he sits and whines or chews on the grass, then sits and shivers and whines some more. I stay out there with him for a good 20 minutes, sometimes a half hour and he doesn't go. We come back in, take his coat off and he starts darting around with "puppy poopy butt", so I take him right back out.....nothing. We do this several times and after about and hour or so he just can't hold it any longer and finally goes outside. Ugh! I wish it was warm out, lol. The one day we did have some success was almost 50 degrees out and he would go fine. Thanks for the input. We will keep at it. He's a smart boy. I think the light bulb will come on soon and he'll get it....at least I hope he will :)

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K-Tron, when is he getting water? I always take my pups out every hour to be safe (when they are not crated), they go out whenever they wake up from any kind of nap, and they go outside as soon as they even have a drink or eat. I know every pup is different but mine seem to thrive on structure. Wake up, crate time, meal time, play time is all planed out and the same every single day (or as close as possible)I know you said you praise him already and you did just get him home so I am hoping he will break the cycle soon for you. I guess I was lucky and cursed with mine. They would wake up every 2-3 hours at first and whine to go potty as they did not want to go inside the crate.; so they got used to going outside every time, even during snow, rain etc

Thanks for the advice Ronan :) We are working on getting into a routine with some structure. Like you said Ronan, they need it. He is good all night in the crate, no whining and no messes. First thing in the morning he goes out and pees, but no poop. Then he has breakfast and back out, but usually doesn't go. Then it back inside for some play time right after (sometimes during) play time we go back out. Sometimes he pees sometimes he doesn't. Then it's nap time. After nap its go right out and this is usually, but not always, when he has to poop. I think he's starting to get that if he goes right out and potties then he gets to come right back in where its warm. I'm considering it a minor break through. We are still working on an afternoon and evening routine that will be consistent. Afternoon and evening is the crazy time around here, lol.

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So far so good! Glad to hear he's picking it up! 

Welp, I thought we were picking it up, lol. Today was not the best day in the house training dept. At least there were no poop accidents in the house today, that's a plus. I really honestly think its because he doesn't want to go out in the cold. He just sits out there and whines and whines and shivers and whines. I have a coat for him to wear but he still hates to go out. I feel his pain I wouldn't want to have to go potty in the snow.

We'll keep at it. It's gotta click sometime :) 

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K-Tron, this might be a bit of a stretch, but maybe he doesn't like the jacket and since it makes him uncomfortable he doesn't want to poop...I'm not sure how much sense that makes but it may be worth a shot...

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I am sure you are already doing this, but I always use the outside command to get them to the door and as soon as we are outside I tell them to go potty and they do it with a quickness unless they have to poo, then they take a couple of minutes in even 10 degree weather to find their special place to go. He will get it, just hang in there he was spoiled at the breeders with inside potty breaks. Some people use puppy pads but I refuse to use them as I know way to many people who still use them and their pups are 2-3 years old lol

 

Just make sure you are out there with your boy to make sure he does not play or get distracted, make sure he knows it is a business trip.

Also take him to the same exact spot every time, his nose should do the rest and his brain will catch up :)

Thanks Ronan, you just confirmed that I am doing things right. I have been doing exact what you said. So far, so good today. Not had any accidents yet. He does get distracted with chewing on sticks and nibbling the grass, but I give him the "potty  outside" command. In the past I have always house trianed using praise as the only reward, but with Andre I think I am going to start taking treats out with me. He is very food motivated so possibly a treat will help send the message home quicker :)

I totally agree about the puppy pads. I do not want to reinforce that its ok to potty in the house even if it is on a pad. But I know everyone is different and to each their own.

@SXavierK: I thought about that too, and have tried without the coat (its actually a soft double fleece jacket), but then he is even worse with the whining and shivering. He really doesn't seem to mind the jacket and has never chewed at it or tried to get it off.