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Can someone PLEASE tell me how to get my boy JAX to let us know when he needs to potty? He can hold is pee for 6hrs in his crate, but he wont hold it for an hour outside his crate, unless he is sleeping on the sofa. We dont want to crate him ALL the time. He stay close to one of us ALL the time, but never gives the signal he's gotta go. He will pee right on the floor in front of us, then runaway because he knows he did something bad!!!

In the beginning we had pee pads by the front door, he would go to the pad by the door, so we work'd on going to the door sayin "pee pee outside" and take him out! @ 3months he would stop playin and relieve himself by the door. Now he just relieves himself wherever....so he ends up in the crate, because he can't be watched 24/7.

Going Nuts, doesn't want Jax to live in his crate!

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I would consider a real regiman.  I would take him out every half hour and not come in until he releaves himself followed by lots of lavish praise. Take him to the same area each time. Don't wait for an accident to happen.  With some regimen he'll pick it up what you want really fast.  I never liked pads or any other type of surface that allows them to pee in the house.  I'm sure others here have ideas too. Good luck!

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Maybe a bell on the door?  I had them on the doors, and all my dogs learned really quickly if they wanted to go out, to ring the bell!

But for starters, the regimen Dennis suggests is a terrific start.

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Bells worked great for Harley too.  They are super smart and they learn fast (and learn to abuse it...LOL... but you can deal with that after he learns to go outside).  Here is a link to help you get started

http://www.aspcabehavior.org/articles/87/Teaching-Your-Dog-to-Ask-to-Go-Out.aspx

Jax, can I ask about his ears?  They seem to half stand up in the pictures.  They aren't cropped are they?  Just curious.

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Consistency is the key when potty training.  With Niko I took him out every 1-2 hours throughout the day and ALWAYS after eating and drinking.  I would also schedule his meals and drinks so that I could better determine when he would need to go, and no food or water 2 hours before bedtime. When we got ready to take him out I would say in a really happy voice "Go outside, Go potty" and we'd go outside and as soon as he would start going I would tell him "Good boy! Potty outside!!" and I would carry on like him going potty was the greatest thing in the world.  I looked silly, but he caught on. 

Niko did that too where he would just all of a sudden go potty, no warning, nothing, just squat and go.  Dobies have small bladders and don't always know when they have to go outside, and if we haven't taught them exactly where we want them to "go" at, they will go wherever. I actually posted about the same kind of problem.  Good luck and be patient; he will get it and when he goes to the door for the first time and lets you know he needs to go outside is an amazing feeling!!  Super proud Mommy moment for me! 

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Thank you everyone for the advice, we've done it all and still continue to do it. The bells didn't work because he played with it and chew'd on it all the time. Water cut off is 2hrs before bed, night time isn't the problem. @ HarleyBear no his ears aren't crop, the wind blows them over like that sometimes....lol Its freaking funny, we call him the Donald sometime cause it looks like a comb over...ha.

We will continue to be patient and just ride this part of the training out, I have to say this....he doesn't poop in the house! Thank God

@Michelle Bacon my wife and myself stand outside looking silly say "goodboy Jax you pee pee outside" yes, before the night time crating I would be on my one way street at 1am, 3am 5am etc say "pee pee outside" "goodboy".....lol

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"Can't be watched all the time" and 4 month old puppy don't go together lol.  The best way to stop bad habits is to not let them start, and you can't do that without patience and diligence.  If he is peeing inside, there's 1 reason only.  (ruling out health issues)  He isn't being taken outside enough.  So, the simple solution, is to take him out more.  if he keeps peeing inside, then take notes on how long it's been, and make sure he gets out enough.  It's really that easy.  But if he sometimes pees in the house, sometimess pees outside, it's really lowering the effectiveness of any "training".

 

At 4 months there's not much bladder control, and you have to remember that a dog doesn't just know not to pee in the house.  It takes time to learn this.  This is why there's no "signal" so to speak.  I think because they tend to grow so fast, we tend to forget how young they truly are...  But it would be like wondering why your toddler is crapping in his diaper, and not going to the toilet.  Same thing here, it takes time.

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In addition to taking him out at regular intervals, I taught Gideon to bark before I would open the door to go out. Now he goes to the back door and barks when he needs to go potty.

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@KevinK you are ABSOLUTELY right about "Can't be watched all the time" and 4 month old puppy don't go together lol"  My JAX is 6MONTHS old . 

This is not my 1st "rodeo" While I appreciate the advice I dont really care for the tone! I started this thread for advice not a lecture, my old man died yrs ago, thank you!

@4months Jax bladder was not fully developed but @ 6MONTHS he sleeps in his crate for 6hours without any accidents! So I would like to lv him out of the crate when we are not home, for more than an hour!

AND "wondering why your toddler is crapping in his diaper, and not going to the toilet" REALLY!!! if my toddler was wearin a DIAPER I wouldn't expect him to USE THE TOILET!! LMAO Seriously dude! Are you one of those whose compares a dog to having children? HA

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wow, I didn't see Kevin's post the way you did but then complaining about his tone with your tone amazing, I think everyone needs to take a second look at the question and the answers. And I actually do compare having a dog with having children - both require the same amount of care, training, and love except with kids you at least get the option that at some point they will be able to take care of themselves where the dog can't. They both look to us for food, shelter, love, discipline and safety.  My animals ARE my children - I do not dress them or that sort of stuff, but they require the same things and a lot of training methods are universal for both; positive reinforcement and other forms of teaching right from wrong; safety from danger etc. I have never understood how some people are able to compartmentalize their love according to who or what it is....for instance I will only love this much cause it's a cat, or I will only love this much cause it's a dog....how do you do that??? just because they are dogs or cats are they not worthy of a heart FULL of love; when I love someone I love that someone with a hundred percent of my soul there is no limit to the depth of my love....regardless of whether it's animal or human.....you make it sound like people who feel this way are silly or dellusional......

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@Talisin

"you make it sound like people who feel this way are silly or dellusional"

WOW clearly I hit a sore spot with you...lol. Lighten up come down from the soapbox, take a chill pill or have a drink. I was being sarcastic. Its okay to be silly or have delusions of grandeur...lol

1. Would you put your child in a crate and leave them unattended for a few hours?

2. Do you crate your baby on a flight?

3. Do your kids eat from a bowl on the floor.

4. Does your dog go out to dinner with you?

5.  When was the last time, you pick'd up ur kids poop off the street...lol

6. I don't think my wife would like it if I took my kids out with a leash around their neck, nor if I posted pictures of them all over the internet.

7. My kids have their natural ears and their "tails".....lol

8. I would hope my kids are not humping the other kids at the park....lol, at least not until they are old enough and can practice safe sex....LMAO

9. I hope my wife doesn't have a litter of children, she only has 2 nipples.....lol

10. Can't imagine having my children neutred or spayed......what will I tell them when they get older....LMAO ..."oh Da didn't want ya to go into heat or get the neighbor children pregnant"

I could go on but I won't!  Yes we all love our children and animals but it IS not the same. Just as you don't love a sibling they way you love your spouse. Some people when they lose their dogs, go out and get another one right away. Its just not the same, children are children, dogs are animals which we have turned into domestic house pets for our enjoyment.

Kevin knows what his tone was, he's a big boy and my tone was just being cocky. I really hope that you dont get all bent out of shape over this. You know what they say about opinions... they are like A...holes, everybody has one! and sometimes I can be one!

Its just my sense of humor....life's to short. Have a gr8 day!

Mik

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jax, you're right, you seem to have it all under control.  best of luck.  I don't know why you're getting so defensive, but the answers you need have already been posted.  What you do with them is up to you.  My tone was not a bad one, again, not sure why you took it that way. 

 

I made a mistake with my math, but at 6 months old, it's the same thing.  If you leave your puppy unsupervised, you are asking for trouble.  Males mature late, around 2-3 years old, and at 6 months old, I wouldn't recommend leaving your pup for any longer than it takes to pour a drink, or go to the bathroom.

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I do have a sense of humor and kinda warped since I have body parts missing but I didn't really see it that way and to be honest:

1. Would you put your child in a crate and leave them unattended for a few hours? yes, isn't that what time outs in their room are for? And I loved the Doris Day movie where she had her one child in a cage while she was getting ready for dinner and the other boys were about to push one out the window. I believe it was Please Don't Eat The Daisies

2. Do you crate your baby on a flight? don't fly so don't know but I bet they have to be strapped in somehow

3. Do your kids eat from a bowl on the floor. No but dogs don't sit that well in a chair, so its whatever is comfortable for the eater

4. Does your dog go out to dinner with you? Yes they do! In fact just tonight we have outside dining where they are welcome

5. When was the last time, you pick'd up ur kids poop off the street...lol never had children but I know people who have had to pick up worse things that their kids left behind than dog poop

6. I don't think my wife would like it if I took my kids out with a leash around their neck, nor if I posted pictures of them all over the internet.  I see kids on leashes all the time but I think they are referred to as child safety restraints or something like that; however in my day it was just a plain old rope tied around ones waist

7. My kids have their natural ears and their "tails".....lol but wait till they get older and pierce all those areas.

8. I would hope my kids are not humping the other kids at the park....lol, at least not until they are old enough and can practice safe sex....LMAO You answered that one for me

9. I hope my wife doesn't have a litter of children, she only has 2 nipples.....lol Well nowadays I have seen some who would classify as litters they have so many children, think about quadruplets and octuplets it happens

10. Can't imagine having my children neutred or spayed......what will I tell them when they get older....LMAO ..."oh Da didn't want ya to go into heat or get the neighbor children pregnant"  Sometimes I think that's not a bad idea......

So you see it's not all that different. And yes I admit I am touchy about the children vs. animals deal cause I hear it ALL the time working in rescue.

"Yes we all love our children and animals but it IS not the same. Just as you don't love a sibling they way you love your spouse."

The type of love might not be same but I was talking about the "depth" of love which for me IS the same as with anyone else. I will be the first to say your are right I am touchy but with good reason considering what I have had to deal with all my life, too long a story, but to me love is love regardless - love to me is depth not a type. So I hope you can understand where I was coming from I read your remark it was like all those people who come to adopt and then start spouting off the difference between an animal and a child and how they intend to "take care" of their dog. It hit a sensitive area that is picked at regularly. And yes I have many soap boxes worthy of a good rant and all deal with animal issues......and I get on those proudly cause we have to be a voice for them since they cannot ask for help in our language.... and I do not see the difference between children and animals.  I admit I personally would choose an animal over a child any day of the week......I think I will go hug my rottie now and thank him for not being a human child......

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Threads like this are so entertaining for my lunch hour.....

 

Such a common thing - person posts up asking / practically begging for help with a problem or issue - several people answer and they don't LIKE the answers or the 'tone' so they get all pissy and throw a 5 paragraph temper tantrum showing how awsomely brilliant they are but yet still can't figure out something as simple as getting the dog to pee outside...

 

Kevin probably has one of the best trained and well mannered dogs of everyone on this site, so you might want to consider getting over his perceived 'tone' and listening to someone that knows how to train a dog. 

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Here we go again, why can't everyone be civil - where is the 'gentle' going. 

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Scotty I was surprised since this is the very first time someone took me to task over something and I was shocked and hurt all at the same time, cause I am coming from a place of caring and trying to be helpful and having been here for over a year it did come as a surprise, but it happens.....hopefully the group gets back to being helpful and gentle......It's always important to remember that there are people with feelings behind every post and one never knows what that other person has had happen that day. I know I got hurt because that particular day I was feeling alot of grief over my animal losses this year and some horrible rescue issues I was having to help others deal with and my end response came from that source.........it just pays to have compassion and empathy with the posts here since everyone, I hope, is here to learn and those with experience are here to help guide, neither deserves to be treated poorly or in a sarcastic way...... here's hoping......I know most of us here have a great sense of humor but most don't use that as an excuse to be confrontational, and it is hard to read a tone without the actual voice guiding that discernment, voices remove any doubt as to how to "take" a written post, but with the internet we don't have that luxury and have to do the best we can to read each post in the tone it was written and sometimes that does lead to threads like this......