Gauge - class, life and antics

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Glad you had a fun weekend. Glad to hear that Gauge had a happy, zealous reunion with you, too.  Isnt it strange how they seem to think you're gone forever when you leave them for a little while, then when they actually SEE you back again, it's a total mental explosion!  LOL

Good luck with the final class.  Dont worry so much, though.  When I was training Z for her CGC test, I thought "she will never pass it...she will never pass it" because I had been having so much trouble getting her to walk on a 'loose leash' and the CGC test didnt allow prongs or chokers to be used...and I also thought she would freak totally out when I had to leave her with a stranger holding her leash and disappear out of her sight for 3 full minutes.  But to my total amazement, she was spot-on perfect on all ten points of the test, and passed with flying colors.  G will do fine. 

And if for some reason, he decides he's just NOT going to conform tonight, count the entire class as great practice for the next time around. 

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Good luck in class.. will be crossing fingers and wishing good wishes.. and speaking of wishes.. I wish I could come to the pig roast.. WOW.. what  a fun thing to do.. ( I suppose the pig has other ideas about it.. but I surely do think it's great!)

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Paul, that he was!  He really wanted to play, but he did ok.

Kate, I wish you could come to the pig roast as well!  It's our 3rd annual.  Started as a housewarming party when we moved into our house a few years ago. We had so much fun we did it last year and now it's tradition!  We usually have anywhere from 75 - 130 people and it's a total blast.  G's going to go stay at the Ritz with his buddies for Saturday and Sunday night.  I figured it was better for him to be there having fun than stressing about all the people in his yard, table surfing and knocking some kids over because he doesn't know how to play nice.  Plus, it'll be nice to have him somewhere having a good time and getting spoiled while momma and daddy er, recover on sunday.  Hee.

Sooo..the real reason I popped in:

Gauge says "I are now a graduate!!!"

He scored 150 out of 160.  His recall wasn't really there and he was a wild man on the "down" command.  She said she could tell he got it though, he was just pushing my buttons and wanted to play. 

We're on to intermediate classes starting 9/13!!  I'm so proud of him. For all of the playing around, he really did put on a good showing. Atta boy baby!!

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The Little Bear and I wish you the best of luck tonight!  We are sure little G will do great!

 

Sorry I commented before I got to the bottom of the post... and now I can't delete it!  LOL Oh Well!  I am happy to hear you guys did great!

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Congrats Big G!!!!! So proud of you!!!!

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well now doesn't he look proud of himself!! Great shot of the happy Graduate!!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

I know you were hoping for the best.. and guess what?? You got it!

Have a blast at the pig roast.. It sounds like a lot of fun!

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WAY TO GO MR G!!!!   There comes a time when the light bulb just suddenly turns on.  That was quite possibly a turning point in his learning curve!  CONGRATS to both of you!

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Congratulations Gauge!! we knew you could we knew you could...  Very proud of you!  Have a blast at your pig roast.  We have our annual double birthday bbq pool party this weekend.  It's a lot of work, but always a good time!

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Ours is the same way, and unfortunately (or forunately for me, however you want to look at it) a lot of the work falls to my husband because it's big stuff outside and i work during the day for the week leading up to it.  He's always awesome about it.  We've always said that the year it feels too much like work, we're not doing it.  So far, so good though.  We're expecting around 120 people.  It's a blast.

I, however, would like to ship Mr. Gauge off to the kennel NOW for as bad as he's been today.  Tore up both pillows on the couch, ate half of the garbage that was waiting to go outside and snuck upstairs and ate the contents of the litter box (which was thankfully cleaned this morning so there wasn't a ton in there, but still, he BUSTED THE CLOSET DOOR DOWN to get to it.).

Wits. End.  I swear that the dog can't be hungry but he's eating EVERYTHING lately.  He gets fed according to the chart on the IAMS bag:  1 1/2 cups morning and night, and gets 2 treats a day in addition to some peanut butter in his kong when we're eating dinner.  He can't be hungry, but he'll digest anything and everything it seems.  His counter surfing is at an all time high as well. Daddy made himself a sandwich, put it on the back of the counter and walked to the refrigerator to put the mustard away. When he turned around, his plate was empty.  Bad dog!!

I'm trying to find my happy place.  He graduated basic manners, I have the paper to prove it.  Which reminds me, I should put it up before he eats THAT too!

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Oh Tonya... You poor baby.. .. Ya gotta be journaling this.. Ya just gotta.

The G and Me is what Paul suggested..it would be a best seller and you'd make enough money to buy a new EVERYTHING!! 

Maybe he needs more food..?? Sometimes you just can't go by the book.

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The counter surfing is not because he's hungry, it's just fun!!!  But, if he's cleaning his dish at each meal and looking for more, as Kate said, you might try upping the viddles a bit.

Oh, and our parties, hmmmm it's me that does the work.  Hubby shows up outside about noon with a beer in hand, waiting on his friends to show.  He rarely drinks but on the party day, all stops are pulled LOL. 

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Tayna- I feel your pain!!!! Sounds like Gauge has a case of the Ciscoes.... I agree up his food- Raven eats right to the suggestion  Cisco eats about 1/2 cup more than suggestion. He is a growing boy!

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from tans: I'm trying to find my happy place.  He graduated basic manners, I have the paper to prove it.  Which reminds me, I should put it up before he eats THAT too!

(Sorry, but that was kinda funny.)

Ziva used to be the QUEEN of Counter Surfing, hands down!.  I know your pain.  The instant missing sandwich....the teflon spoon that stirred the stew in the crock pot appearing in the middle of the living room full of dog tooth marks...the bag of dog treats that were sitting on the counter for TWO SECONDS while I turned around to get the jar to put them in.  I broke her of that---somewhat, anyhow---by setting up 'bait' on the counter top that she just wouldn't be able to resist, and walking just around the fridge to wait for her to do her thing, then I would swoop down in her space with a rolled up newspaper and ~SMACK~ it as loudly as I could on the counter right next to where her feet were.  A couple times doing that pretty much stopped it from happening.  She still will jump up and check it out every now and then, but at least now, I can turn my back on a cheeseburger long enough to grab something to drink out of the fridge and she just stands there looking at me.  BIG improvement.

I agree,  if he is eating all his food and looking for more, you might want to add just a little more to his meal, or add something to his kibble every once in a while as a filler.  I give mine a big spoonful of cottage cheese or yogurt mixed in with their kibble a few times a week (not every day, though) and even a few canned green beans or other veggies added will fill them up a little without adding calories.  Ziva is on a 'diet' right now, and she gets a total of 2 1/2 to 3 cups per day, depending on how much I exercise her during the day.  Gauge is a growing boy and might need a little tiny bit more.  Just a suggestion.

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I'm behind on this thread.. and I have a suggestion but I don't want anyone to get upset about it.  It's JUST a suggestion

http://www.youtube.com/user/panzertoo?feature=uploademail_ch

This woman's youtube channel has helped me refine Steve so much.  I can't say that I liked going this route.. but it has made my life so much easier.  I've dealt with strong-willed, stubborn, high-energy dogs a lot but Eli hasn't and he often failed Steve by repeating commands, not following through, playing into games (like chasing him around the yard to grab him to punish? Come ON.. how fun is that for Steve!)

I got him the E collar and use the vibrate then the nick.  Even without it on now if I tell him to SIT, firmly, he sits.  If I say DOWN even if he's playing with Stella, he goes down.  It has worked with recall.. and as I follow her work.. I'm working on more things to make it a rewarding experience.  He does not get upset.  It's like having a prong collar correction without the leash.  He just gets out of his head and goes RIGHT I need to LISTEN.

Watch some of her videos.. think about whether or not it'd help you get through to Gauge's head.  Steve knows all his manners, knows what is acceptable, but still test.. test.. test!

When we rescue dogs we rescue problems too.  It sometimes takes a long time for them to settle down and get into the groove of a house.  My last big dog rescue was a major headache, but within a year he was a wonderful dog.  It was hard, after all that work!, to let him go to a new home.

Thinking of you.  You'll get there.

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Thanks Jess. I need to watch those videos. I just haven't had time to breathe the past few weeks.  I owe an update and some pictures but right now, be warned - full on vent ahead.

I am completely at my wits' end with this dog tonight.  I mean, I am seriously pissed off at the world. 

I'm pissed that his previous owners did nothing in the way of investing any sort of discipline into him. 

I'm pissed that he's obnoxious and knows full well what his cues are and what he's supposed to do but blatantly ignores us.

I'm pissed that he's still pooping in the house, no matter how long we spend outside or regardless of any schedule we try to put him on. 

I'm pissed that I've lost 3 pair of shoes in 1 day - and yes, they were put away.  I took a shower and he got into the closet and chewed 1 shoe from each pair. 

I'm pissed that he's still in the cat box every damn time he goes downstairs, which is also in a closet and on a shelf.

I'm pissed that I feel like I'm failing him every time I tap him on the ass or yell at him. 

I get that we're still new.  I get that he's not going to imprint on us for a long time.  I get that he's a rescue and that when you rescue any animal you're rescuing their issues as well.  I get that I'm the human and I need to be patient and all that jazz.  I get that he's a baby, having just turned 1.  I get it. 

What I'm not getting though is any sort of glimmer that he's getting it.  I'm not getting that he has any other mission in life than to tear through our furniture, clothes, shoes, woodwork.  There is beautiful oak trim and window casings in the family room that my husband and brother hand cut, stained, and put up for us.  Sills are chewed, mouldings have markings.  One kitchen chair foot is completely gnawed. 

I get that it's going to get better. I'm just done with it after a long day.  Thank the universe that my husband has been home today, because he's hulking enough to get through G's head one out of every dozen times we tell him. 

So. Tonight I vent. Tomorrow is another day.  Then the next and the next.  I know we'll get there.  But I can't guarantee I'm not going to have days like this until we do. 

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Guages Mom,

I can TOTALLY relate!  Our little cavalier king charles spaniel was nicknamed, "Puppy Destruct-o."  She ate everything!  I used to buy three-hundred dollar jeans (those were the days...) and she ate holes through them.  This is an embarrassing story, but I will share to make you laugh.....

I went to work one day, around noon I had to go to the bathroom, when I took off my pants to go pee pee I looked down and there was a HUGE hole in the crotch of jeans!  HUGE!  How could I of missed that when I was putting them on?!?!  Anyway, I had to call my husband to bring me a new pair of jeans.  Good-bye True Religion Jeans!  I was SO mad.  But what could I do?

It DOES get better.  It is hard to see the glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel but it is there.

She is three years old and is now the perfect little lady.  But, the carpet still has holes and I have a completely new wardrobe.

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Oh Tans, I'm really feeling for you.  You must have the patience of a saint!!  I am so against this that I can't believe I actually did it, but this suggestion might help.  I was at the feed store and found a package huge real bone.  I bought one for each.  Since I'm always here with the dogs I thought I'd give it a shot.  My dogs were thrilled and it kept them busy for hours.  Just take it away sometimes so it's a treat when he gets it, something to keep him busy so you can at least take a shower! 

I had to laugh about Ellie and the jeans.  Fancy seems to have a perverse attraction to my grown daughter's undergarments.  She manages to find the matching sets even!  He's a picture of one of her favorites.  She was always getting it wrapped around her head.

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HappyDance, best picture ever!

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Oh, Gauge!  I'm so behind on this thread, but I've been away...

So happy for the graduate and I loved the picture!  You need to start that book, immediately!!

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Thanks for the kind words and stories. I'd like to say that I vented and things have been looking up but I can't. He's a full fledged terrorist and had completely regressed from going to the bathroom outside sometimes to only shitting in the office. Even to the point where he will hold it until we come inside. I wish i was joking. The house is being destroyed. Clothing and shoes and towels are dying with rapid speed and they're all in their rightful places. He's a ninja with opposable thumbs that he uses for this purpose only. Tie him down or crate him where he can see you and he barks like he's being beaten. Tie him down or crate him and go into another room where be can't see you and it's worse. Every night i shed a few tears because he's just a jerk. "No" means nothing to him. Neither does sit, stay or come. I'm just tired. We hit 3 months this weekend and he's worse than when we got him. I don't know what to do anymore. I've never seen anything like him.

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I know I'm way behind on this thread, but have you ever considered that maybe Gauge IS hungry?  I know you're feeding according to the recommendations on the IAMs bag, but that is just a guideline, not an absolute.

If Brinks & MiLady have been really active I will give them their usual portion, then give them a bit more (1/2 c at a time).  I started doing this after reading a post from RGreen then watching Brinks' behavior one night.

Brinks was an absolute ass one night, much like Gauge being destructive, not listening - everything except the pooping...  but Brinks' older & knows better - until I was at wits end!  In desperation I remembered Rick's post & offered an additional cup of food.  He absolutely HOOVERED it up, so I offered another 1/2 c.  Same thing - gone in no time!  Another 1/2 c - he ate that slower, but still cleaned his bowl.  I didn't offer another since I thought 2 extra cups of food was too much.  However, his attitude changed immediately!  Don't get me wrong, Brinks is known as "His Royal Rottenness" for a reason!  But his whole demeanor changed that night from insane obnoxiousness to normal rottenness.

Brinks is over standard being 30" at the withers & runs between 90-95 #'s.  Guidelines on the kibble bag say 3.5 cups to 4 cups daily.  He gets 1.5 cups in the am, and 3 cups at the evening feed.

I don't have a problem with Brinks counter surfing - that's MiLady's domain, but Brinks will gladly help devour the loot! 

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Having fun this morning reading some past forums.  That picture of Diva Sophia is too much.. I cracked up.  Happy belated birthday Gauge.   He'll improve in class stick with it.  What great stories to share.  Ode to the shoes, I've lost three pair two were semi favorites.

 

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Of all the dobermans I have ever owned, I have NEVER had one to 'mentally mature' before the 2nd birthday. Seriously.  They will have several good days, then a whole lot of bad days.  Especially at that 1-year mark....seems like they are in a bit of a rebellious stage for the most part.  Hang in there, keep your thumb down on him as much as possible, wear him out with exercise, and what Dabbles said-maybe feed him a little more....it gets better in time.  Just the "getting there" part sometimes makes you want to scream.

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I know. Believe me.  He would not sit down last night.  For 3 hours, he paced back and forth across the floor, so all I heard was *clickclickclickclickjinglejinglejinglejingleclickclickclick* with his nails and his collar.  Drove. Me. Batty.  Then I couldn't take it anymore, so we headed upstairs so I could get to bed as I had a 3 hour drive to work this morning.  Howling. Barking. General displeasure for being in the crate to go to bed.  Didn't want to go to bed.  I didn't let him out, he barked more. 

He finally settled in 45 looooong ass minutes later.  When he did, one of the cats came out of the closet and started meowing. He was up and barking again for 20 more minutes.

All things with fur and 4 paws were not on momma's favorites list last night. That's for damn sure.

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Tonya.. this sounds like it's gone beyond endurance.. Have you thought about a full work up at the vet? Could he have something going on internally to make him so naughty? Parasites? a pain somewhere that he cannot tell you about? I agree with Marti, maybe he's hungry so go a head and feed him more.. ( you'll be able to tell in a couple of weeks if it's too much as he'll show it) It's worth an exam and probably cheaper in the long run as he's destroying your entire house.

Kaiser.. thank you for the kind words er: Sofia.. she is very special to us and actually is my muse.

P.S. Don't forget the full moon.. makes even the calmest dogs get the zoomies at times

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He had a full work up when we took him for the first appointment after we got him.  He's clean and clear. 

I've upped his food to 2 1/4 cups twice a day and he seems fuller.  He also gets a lot of treats throughout the day (still trying to get him to go outside for pooping and following commands and the bribes work) he also gets carrots in his kong, sometimes I'll give him some peanut butter and hide a few crackers inside to make him work at it.  He's not searching out food so much as just trying to see what he can get into as we've been watching him.  His "I'm hungry" dance is way different than his "that smells really good I should totally have what you're having" sly game. 

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Oh dear.. I wish I had some words of wisdom..or even encouragement.. sounds like you're doing everything possible....( Is there a DoberShrink on the Forum??? )

Let's just hope he grows out of it before the entire house is destroyed and your nerves are shot beyond repair..

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What's the old saying????   "Mothers of teenagers know why some animals eat their young!"  I had a t-shirt with that saying on it when Travis turned 14, and brought it out again when Bree turned 13!  Couldn't find it when Brinks started his doberteen antics...

Full moon, teenage antics, status testing you've got it all going.  Good luck!

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No wise words here...

Let me see.  What words of encouragement can I offer you?  Ummm.  I think it's great you're on the forum.  Ooookaay.  How about this:

I hope there's a silver lining somewhere (there just has to be, right??).

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LOL, thanks blue?? I think?? :)  I know there has to be a silver lining, but we're weathering hurricanes and cyclones to get through those clouds. 

We're debating taking him north with us this weekend, mainly because he's a beast in our house, I don't want him destroying the cabin - which does not belong to us.  Plus, we'll be gone for the evenings and while it's fine to crate him at home when we're gone for a few hours, I don't want him barking the entire time and being an annoyance to the neighbors.

He took off on Adam yesterday, and daddy was not pleased. Slipped his collar and ended up 4 houses down.  Then he started his intermediate class for manners last night and shut down 1/2 way through it.  I was traveling for work, so Adam took him. He said G was doing fine and then just stopped.  Wouldn't walk.  Wouldn't look at him. Just laid down (which of course we can't get him to do on cue, go figure).  So they watched the last half of class.

 

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Tans, I'm curious how the trainer at the class handled that.  What was the advice? 

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Tans, if it's ANY condolance at all, I'll tell you a true story.  My last doberman, Darmok, was absolutely the most wonderful dog I could ever imagine.  Smart, could read my mind on most situations, was an absolute dream come true.......BUT...only after she turned 2.  The first year with her was a trial, and up until the end of the 2nd year, I thought I would lose my mind over her.  She would run away and not come back.  Saw her chance every time there was one.  I remember taking her to our local park one Sunday after church and letting her out--off leash--to run around.  When it was time to go, she would stand ten feet from me and DARE me to come get her---and every step I took towards her sent her two feet in the opposite direction.  I literally spent over two hours trying to coax her to get back in the car. I even pretended to drive away (I never would have really done it, but I did move the car) and she watched me with a smug look on her face.  A stranger walking through the park watched my failed attempts to catch her and finally tricked her into coming over to look at something she had in her purse, and grabbed Dar's collar for me, or I would have been there all night.  She spent a full year going to the bathroom in the house---right after coming in from being out for a half hour or more.  She ate our couch and two arms off a leather recliner.  She was a devil dog.  I took her to puppy classes, obedience classes, intermediate classes, agility classes---and she KNEW what to do, but as soon as she got back home, she was her jar-headed self all over again as if she knew nothing.  She tested my patience daily...but I loved her to pieces and endured.  And it paid off.  After she matured mentally, it seems like ALL that training just came into play, and she remembered everything she had ever been taught to do.  It was a miracle.


Gauge is a diamond in the rough, for sure.  He'll get better, I'd bet money on it.

But, I can understand why you would want to leave him somewhere while you're gone for the weekend.  He's just not quite ready to give in and be the best boy he can be yet---but he'll get there eventually.

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HD, Adam said that he was clicking along the first 1/2 hour, doing everything he was supposed to.  Then it came time to go outside and work on a few things and when he got out there, he stopped anything relating to training and just "wanted to be a dog". Sniffing, sitting, staring into the distance contemplating life.  He said at Robin (trainer) was trying to coax him with treats and asked him about what had happened during the day.  A told her that he's been out of his crate since A got home that morning, they've been working on some refreshers and they went for a few rides.  Then he traveled across 4 lawns trying to escape and he pooped in the house before they left to go to training.  When they got at training, one of the other dogs (who wasn't in the basic class) tried to get all up in G's business and snapped at him.  Apparently she thinks it was a delayed freak out.  G didn't nip back, but growled and didn't want to be near Maggie (the other dog) for the rest of the time.  Robin took him with her to the front of the class and got him to do a bit, but told Adam that he was just probably freaked out and to try and run the command when he got home to see if it worked.  Of course, it did.  So that was a little bit of freaked out mixed with "my terms" on his part, I think. 

Paul, thanks.  I am so living those exact words.  Your nice lady with the purse is equal to the random man at my park who was able to corral G by just calling his name, whereas I had ran at least 1/2 a mile after him doing the same while he ran further away.

I know we'll get there. I really do.  Last night A threatened to get rid of him but it's just words.  We've had problem animals before -namely a cat who likes to pee on clean laundry or the bed if all is not right with his world - and he's still with us. We don't get rid of animals, period. 

I just don't post a lot lately because I'm sure I'm getting the rep of the whiner owner. LOL. 

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I'm confussed............again, so help me out here. You have a trainer that you visit regularly? Your dog just performed well at a testing program in OB? Yet the dog surfs your counters for food? Gets fed twice a day plus treats? Is destructive in the house after showing good manners in the house??

 

Have you consulted with your trainer on these problems? What does he/she say and suggest? What is your method for corrections in your OB classes?

 

Sounds like your dog has NO respect for you or your husband.

A rescue isn't a rescue once their rescued, so Stop using that as an excuse for poor behavior.

So tell me whats up with this hound dog? Von

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Von, we have a trainer that was visited once a week for 8 weeks for a basic manners class, and now he's on to advanced.  He passed the basic class, scored better on some things than others but enough to get him through. He knows the stuff, he's being hard headed about it. 

The trainer is available for discussions, and we've had him go one on one with her at home so she can see.  I do agree that he's got respect issues, but it's not just with us. He'll do the cues if he wants, regardless of who it's for, when he wants.  He's being a teenager. Stubborn. 

Corrections aren't with a heavy hand in class. It's a "no" and a restart and no treat.  Aside from a quick smack on the ass a few times at home, we don't hit him.   I agree and disagree with this.

I do, however, disagree with your "a rescue isn't a rescue once their rescued".  The previous owners did him a huge disservice, including hitting him and giving no boundaries and crating for 3/4 of the day most times.  You rescue the dog, you rescue the issues.  It's not going to be the excuse forever, but if someone took me out of a situation and into a new one, I'd hope they give me an adjustment period before I was just that dog who sucked at life. 

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from von Cosack Dobermann: A rescue isn't a rescue once their rescued....

Oh, I totally DISagree here.  I have rescued dogs, and they are STILL rescues.  Still have problems that are associated with being a rescue. You should lighten up, von.

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My comment isn't about the dog being a non rescue its for the new owner not to dweel on it, it becomes counter productive most of the time with new rescuers. Ziva I'm commenting on a subject that Im very well versed on I've been a trainer and problem solver my entire life. You seem to think I'm mad at the OPs or I'm insensitive, are you the person I suggested should take a pill and relax? If so do so if not go for it anyways hahahaha!!! Why don't YOU lighten up on me, ok!!!

Dogs move on very quickly and a wel balanced dog taken out of their normal home will adjust in 40 days in a new home and within 90 will have a new bond equal to the other home. Some people can't imagine that their beloved dogs could do such a thing because their the ones that humanize the canine world and thats the biggest mistake to do.

tans0077 have you evaluated the dog for compulsion? Do you employ NILF and have you set up Boundries & Limitations at all? Von

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...are you the person I suggested should take a pill and relax? If so do so if not go for it anyways

 

Okie dokie, Dr Von.

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I've been on these forums for years now and I get banned more times than not. If its not some snob moderator belittling a young woman whos loosing pups during a whelping because she was told not to breed them. Or the forum owner who swore the forum would never go commercial then does after I helped develope the forum bringing in dozens of members. Or another forum whose moderator has multiple addresses and takes liberties banning members because they differ from her point of view. I call her out on it and she drops her position and denounces the place, leaves then returns with multiple addressed friends who ALL join within a weeks time and bomb the admin. because of my statement that the Dobermanns character has been bred down for years. The last two forum dignitaries are known BYB'ers and the other never comes on the site.

Now what I've learned in this time is that the Working Dobermann People (Sports) and the Show Dobermann People (Conformation) and the Pet Owner People (no method for training) all have seperate agendas within the breed. They don't know anything about the others and don't care to know about them. Each segment swears their way is the only way yet their all on forums with Behavioral Problems.

How can so many experts have so many problems, the VAST majority are positive reinforement followers and treat trainers. Any Flags there???? I think so. Von

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So you're saying we're the issue? Not sure if I agree with that. Again, it's not an excuse for life, and I'm skeptical of time frames for dogs or humans for that matter to adjust to new situations.  I've heard 4 months. I've heard 6 months. I've heard a year, 3 weeks, you name it.  I don't like generalizations because every animal is different, as is every situation.  A normally socialized being will of course have an easier time assimilating into a new environment.  Baggage tends to stick around. 

We do employ NILF.  He's not given access to his food until we let him.  He isn't given cookies or treats until we say he can get them.  In and out of the car, same thing.  He's not allowed to move until he's told. Not allowed on the couch until he's invited.  Working on not being allowed up or down the stairs until we call, but he's pushing on that one.  We set up boundaries and set limits and depending on the day, he crashes through them like the Kool Aid man through a wall.  Other days, he's the perfect little angel. 

I have had other dogs. My husband had Dobermans all of his childhood into teenage life.  We didn't just say "hey, let's get a dog! Dobermans are pretty!" and jump into it.  We were on the list with a fantastic breeder to get a puppy when Gauge entered stage left with his need for structure and care and we could give it to him so we did.  I don't regret it.  We read and read and I've watched videos on YouTube, obtained a trainer (http://www.obediencedynamics.com) and talked to others. What applies to some does not to others. 

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Von, really all I see from you is one way methods and your way is the only way to train, feed, etc.  I think your experience is something worth sharing with the people on the Forum, but sometimes you go about things in a manner - in the text world - that is not well received.  If you were having a conversation with someone regarding your views, maybe it would go better.

the original purpoe of this thread was a place to document, discuss, and vent regarding a rescued dog's bad behaviors that come soley from the first owners not giving a damn about the dog.  I don't know if you realize it, but the vast majority of people in this world that own dogs are Pet Owners and not Sports Owners, Breeders, Conformationalists, or any other people that choose to own a dog for the Show/Work quality.  You are on a Forum that is made up primarly of Pet Owners and you are going to have Pet Owner responses, methods, and attitudes towards owning their Pet Dogs.  Whether the original purpose of the Dobermann was to be a Pet or not, that is what is grouped here.  I think when you realize that you may be able to approach things in a manner that will be better received.

I disagree with your approach here yet again.  I don't know if you read each and every comment/response on this thread (it's long, involved, and has been going on since Tans rescued Gauge).

Everyone has different experiences with their dogs and their lives.  Everyone is going to have different approaches to various things.  The wonderful thing about a Forum is we can share experiences, suggestions, and maybe help someone learn a different approach.  But you are only going to make a difference if you handle yourself appropriately.  Otherwise, you're just setting up each and every thing to become an argument and that is NOT the purpose of this group.

You may not agree with how rescuing a dog should be handled, but that's your position.  I don't really know how much rescue work you have experience with?  I've been rescuing for 10 years and each dog is different with different problems depending on their situation.  You can't expect that once you remove an animal from its environment its a clean slate.  That takes time.

Lets please end this argument of Banning on Forums, taking pills, etc and remember the purpose of this thread is how Gauge is behaving at home.  Take the time to read his issues and respond with your OPINION on how you'd personally handle them otherwise leave it be.

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von, if you don't stop being intentionally confrontational, you'll be getting banned from here, and for no other reason than having a counter productive attitude. My only agenda is helping people make their Dobermans' lives better. You have good information to share, but your belligerent attitude ruins the transmission.

I gave you your warning. If this topic sinks into another bicker match, you'll be scouting for another forum. I hope that doesn't happen.


tans, congratulations on everything. Gauge is adorable. Although, he does look like he could be a little naughty sometimes.

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Von?? just how many Forums have you been banned from? Is it because you are mean? Is it because you refuse to use spell check? Or maybe proper grammar? Or is it because you just refuse to adhere to good manners and being polite

The few times I've bothered to even read your posts, you come off as a very ancient, has been trainer who is so stuck in the 60's that you refuse to consider new approaches, new techniques or even civilization.. If you DID have something constructive to say, i doubt it would even be considered; as your credibility has gone right out the Doberwindow!

P.S. Sorry Webby.. I posted before I saw your warning.. You say things a lot nicer than I do

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Thanks Alpha!

Just so we're clear, everyone is welcome to comment - in a civil manner and not preaching from their armchairs about how the masses are idiots if they're not certified or if they try a method you don't agree with. Disagree, state your point, move on. don't attack.  It's the sign of no self-confidence. 

In all honestly, I'm not looking for sunshine blowing when I post trials and tribulations of G. This journal is here for a benchmark and if I vent, than it's within my right to do so.  At some point, I hope it all sticks, but until then, the road is rocky.  If you can constructively assist without attacking anyone else, the door is open, please feel free to grab a beer out of the fridge.  If not, then the issue isn't mine.

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TONYA!! I just had an idea.. A TREADMILL>>>

DO you think you can get Gauge on it ( before he eats it?)

There was a poster on here a long time ago by the name of SnoopyDobe who taught his guy to walk then run on a treadmill... why not go to 'search' and type in 'treadmill' or "snoopydobe" and see if  you can find it..

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That's a thought, but we don't have a treadmill! 

Before he eats it...LOL!! I wouldn't put it past him!  I'll search it out though, would love to see how SnoopyDobe did it!

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Well, after talking to my cousin and having him tell me about the new carpet that was installed about a month ago and the woodwork that's finally finished, we've decided to leave the G-man at the ritz for the weekend.  I would feel so awful if he chewed or stained anything.  One day he'll be able to go up and romp in the river, but at this point, we're not there. 

Our house is one thing, and we can deal with it and make adjustments, but I don't have a few hundred to be shelling out for carpet cleaning or new oak trim...

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Von, just in case you sneak back on....

Get Over Yourself, you are one grain of sand.

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Wow, LadyKate, I totally agree!  A treadmill is a wonderful idea!  Maybe look on craigslist for a used inexpensive one?  I don't know if Gauge is good at fetching or frisbee, but it is a wonderful way to wear them out and use their brain a little (frisbee at least totally wipes him out).  Try doing it with a long lead and some treats.

Oh oh oh!  Also scent training is suppose to really wear them out.  Just a few minutes of find-it and Harley is out like a light!  It will really make you look at amazon boxes in a whole different light!  Best of Luck! 

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I'll need to get him a really long lead, Harley.  We were doing well with being off the leash but the past few times is when he's bolted so he loses his off leash privileges until we get a fence of a buried fence of what have you.  My husband the marathoner was running with him, but husband is training, and stopping starting walking and such isn't in the plan right now when he's got to put in the miles and be consistent.  So we walk with G and it works for a while but then he gets a second wind and it's on.   I will look for a treadmill though, that's a fabulous idea!

The outright ignoring us is what makes me mad though. Just 5 minutes ago, I put him in sit and told him to stay while I went upstairs.  Closed the door behind me and he waited.  I came downstairs and told him "good boy" and he bolted upstairs.  I call him.  Nothing.  I call him again. Nothing. I go upstairs and he bolts past me and tears through the bedroom into the dressing room and busts the closet door.  I pull him out and he goes right back the second I let go.  Call him.  Yelling his name and he's completely oblivious.  Runs downstairs.  Starts barking.  I stop yelling and calmly but sternly tell him to sit.  He runs away.  Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

Momma needs a break, yo.