First time Dobie Mom

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Hello all,
We recently brought home our first Dobie and I am so excited. We did a lot of research before hand and she is perfect for our family. A few questions: We are trying to crate train her and would like to know what works for you guys? She does great at night, she will wake up and I will take her out then she goes back to sleep, but during the day is more of an issue since she wants to be out and about to play. It seems like she tinkles just a bit here and there even after I take her out. She has pooped in her crate twice now even right after she goes outside Any advice would be great =)

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A couple of questions:  Is the crate small enough for her?  You want it small enough so she feels secure and not a lot of room for potty.  However, she's a baby and that happens.  Try taking her out more often;  after every meal and nap and regularly every half hour for a while. How long are you keeping her in the crate during the day?  She probably needs to spend more time with you than in a crate.  When she is in there have lots of fun and safe things for her to entertain herslf. I would try 15 minutes, let her out and immediately go outside.  15 minutes 2 or three times a day is enough. She's a baby and needs to be with you.  Hope this helps.

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Yea her crate is small. Also she sleeps so much! Is that normal? I know she is a baby but dang. Am I the only one who has had this?

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That's really normal.  Sleep, eat, poop, play, sleep, eat, poop, play.  You will see changes daily and always for the better.  Good Luck, they are a complete blast to have around.

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I  have a question as I am new to a dobie.  I am also new to the forum as I really dont know much about Dobermans except what I've read on the internet.  I have a 9 week old puppy Doberman her name is Emma.  I received her at 8 weeks old from the spca in my area as she is my foster puppy. We are considering adopting her.  She was one of the 50 dogs they rescued from NC, GA and FL from kill shelters.  She is basically a really good dog. She is a very rough biter and player.  I have a golden retriever which absolutely loves her to death and she loves him back.  Then I have 2 small dogs that she tends to nip at with those sharp puppy teeth. So right now the two of them want nothing to do with her as shes hurting them with the puppy teeth so they go to higher ground which she cant get to.  We keep her in the kitchen and let her out a few times a day to play in the living room.  We need to teach her to be gentle or something as my little guys arent too happy with those puppy teeth.  I also have a cat which shes interested in but we havent gotten too close with her yet that will take some work.

 

When she came to me at 8 weeks old she was very thin now shes a better weight. We think she is a doberman mix.  Shes on the smaller size I've been told.  But she loves her food.  I am guessing maybe she wasnt fed or given water so much. She goes nuts when she sees her food bowl and inhales it very quickly hence why she is eating from a slow feeder bowl which has slowed her down.  When you turn the faucet on she goes nuts thinking the water is for her.  So I give her water a few times to day to try and stop it as she loves water.  Its seems to be deminishing now as if I give her half of her bowl of water she used to drink the whole thing now shes just taking enough to wet her tongue which I think is a really good thing.


My husband and I have never owned a Doberman nor had ever thought about it.  My husband really loves this dog even though we have 3 of our own.  So we are considering adopting her but until all her medical stuff are complete we cant finalize it.  They are waiting to make sure no infections arise as one dog in her litter had parvo.  My emma may have some kennel cough but its not severe just a mild cough.  Hopefully my dogs wont catch it as my dogs have been sneezing but no cough.  Any advice on domermans would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

 

Kim

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Thank you for fostering!!!! Since you have 3 dogs of your own I would suggest that you continue to foster and let her find a home, others here will have explanations for raising a puppy dobe, but I think if you are fostering you are doing a grand thing and by allowing her to move on to a new home you can continue to foster and foster homes are so hard to find that it would be a loss to have you adopt her and end your fostering opportunity.....if you will take the time to pull some of the threads up here on the forum you will find all sorts of info on dobermans and why it is not the best idea to add one to house with 3 dogs already......not only for the dogs sake but for your sanity with the time a doberman takes to train and work with to expend all that energy.......Welcome and again thanks for fostering....

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Oh this is a 1 time foster.  It happened at the right time and I dont plan on fostering again.  So even if I didnt adopt her I wouldnt be fostering.  I just happen to be unemployed at the moment and they needed someone to be able to care for an 8 week old doberman that would be able to feed her 3 times a day and since I am home I did it.  My petsitter has 1 doberman besides 6 others of her own so I dont know why 1 extra dog in my house would make a difference.

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Dobermans are known for same sex aggression which could lead to the death of one of your other dogs.  Are either of your other 2 small dogs female?  It happens more with males, but not unheard of in females.  Someone just posted a couple days ago to re home one of her female Dobermans because of a dominance issue between the 2.  Another longtime member had to give up one of his beloved females or endure keeping them separated for their lifetime yet under the same roof.

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First off she is not a purebred as the shelter says she is a doberman mix.  As what I am reading online the aggression happens more in male and mostly within same breed.  I could see if I had another doberman but I dont. Because of them being male dominant.  First off this aggression happens with all breeds with same sex and never had a problem as I always take my dogs to training early.  If I decide to adopt her she will be going to training as the training facility I take my golden to for his agility and hopefully someday she will do agility.  I will email my petsitter she has all male dogs I believe. 3 pits, 1 lab, 2 Chihuahua.  Kinda sorry I joined this place, thought it would be a good place to find out about the breed.  I was doing a good thing about adopting her so I thought.

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This forum is a great place to learn however, when you come in with wanting to add another dog to a household of 3 and it being a doberman makes everyone jump in with warnings before the welcomes....it's not the fact that you are adding a dog for a total of 4 it's the fact that the 4th is a doberman, dobermans are a different breed no pun intended - the other dogs you mentioned are dog dogs more or less and dobermans are not dog dogs they are people dogs, and the fighting will ensue, as someone stated earlier on the topic that it is not something that training will prevent so all the good intentions of training and having them get along is great but it most likely will not work.....and the bad thing is that the fighting doesn't rear its head until the owner has gotten really comfortable with the fact that their dog is friendly and dog safe and then one day poof there is a fight seemingly out of nowhere and the owner is taken off guard and the dogs are in danger and in alot of cases by the time the owner has put two and two together one dog is already dead or injured beyond belief......and once it starts the dogs have to be separated and rotated, and with 4 dogs that would be a pain in the butt; so where you may see this forum as not being welcoming they are being most welcoming by trying to help you before a problem begins.....this group loves and cares about the doberman first and when they see an issue where the doberman is not in the best situation they will speak up and speak up loudly. I do not have a doberman and I must admit that I wanted a male and the rescue was going to give me a male!!! even though they knew the other dogs in my house were males also.....big RED FLAG of NO; so even the most well informed doberman rescues may not warn a potential adopter or foster of the same sex aggression and it's called same sex not just male/male or female/female......it's the rarity that multiple dobermans can co-exist; DJ's Dad adopted another female with his Ziva and they got along fabulously until that ONE day and it resulted in Ziva being rehomed it's traumatic and not fair to the dogs to put any of them in danger or create more work for yourself when it can be prevented. See if you just foster the puppy you get to enjoy the puppy stage, the friendly behavior with your dogs the play time etc. and avoid the teen and adult situation of being on guard every day of their life waiting for that one moment in time where the fight begins.......

I hope that helps.....it's the breed not the number of dogs......it is a reality......cannot be trained out or prevented with training, it is what it is......

I hope you hang around so you can ask more questions but don't be offended when those questions get alot of feedback about the breed that you may feel are negative.....you're here to learn and these are good people willing to bend over backwards to help you

again thanks for fostering her!!! glad it was the right time.....hope you will consider fostering in the future when you have time again....

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Actually no I am not considering fostering.  I just dont understand, its not the breed any dog same sex can have agression.  A doberman is just a dog just like any other dog just a really loyal smart dog and yes I have done my resarch. Been talking to my petsitter who by the way has 5 female dogs and 1 is a doberman, 1 a pitball also.  She has seen no aggression in any of her females whatsoever and they all love each other. She has a male dog in the midst of the 5 females.  So total of 6 dogs.  I probably wont come her anymore as I dont really like this here not very welcoming place.  I'll read a book to learn more about dobermans but not liking this place.  I got more friendly welcomes when I was on a golden retriever forum.

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Yes any dog can be aggressive to other dogs but the truth is the doberman breed is predisposed to it and it will happen......see your friend has that false sense of security I mentioned, only when all of her dogs have crossed over rainbow bridge and there has not been an altercation can you safely say she has had no problem - what is true right now is she has not had a problem yet......I am sorry that you feel that it is over blown about the doberman being this way naturally but if you would take the time to research the forum you will read post after post of long time doberman owners and multiple long time doberman owners not just one dobie and these people have the experience you are looking for and they have had to rehome or crate and rotate it's just a fact.......

And of course you would have a more easy welcome in the golden forum as they are not prone to this behavior........it is the breed......if you were adding a golden there would be no worries of this degree.....the death of a dog is a serious concern......and everyone who posted is just trying to prevent that end result and there is no way to discuss that and make it "welcoming" and still get the point across.......books will help but the info you need can only be garnered from those experienced with the breed for years and years and those who have experienced losses due to this behavior......if you really want to do the right thing by your foster dog and have a great experience you will choose to stay here and learn and research through the search field at the top of the page ........ anytime a post mentions that a person's actions may result in the death of a dog it will probably be taken as offensive cause that is not what the person wants to hear....but no one here is being offensive TO you as a person just very passionate about the subject at hand......

In fact there is a post just posted here in Training Methods called "Original Dog not getting along with New Dobie" you might want to read that one it's a mild behavior problem but it can escalate quickly......just a drop in the bucket to what we are talking about....

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Interesting post.  Good advice all around, however, please realize that this is not a given.  I have been raised with dogs and have owned dogs all my life, with the exception of the 6 years it took me to get over the death of my previous Doberman, "Conan."  I've also had two dogs on various occasions, my last being a male beagle and a male doberman, both males were intact for most of their life.  Due to a couple near misses with the beagle, I had him neutured at about 4 years old, the Doberman was never neutered and I never had a problem with him.  Note, the Doberman was also very well trained - which may be a considering factor.

Anyway, both dogs were male, which you will read in these posts described as a big "no-no" due to aggression issues.  Both dogs have already crossed into their next life and I NEVER had an issue with my two male dogs.  I do want to point out though that my male Doberman did not like any other dogs, either male or female, and was always aggressive towards them, but never hurt or injured his older brother.

In essence, if you feel strongly enough and love your pets equally and have the time to devote to them and control situations, then personally I see no problem in you adopting your new baby.  If at some point it turns out that your dobe has become aggressive you can always look into rehoming.

This is just my opinion based on previous experience.  You have to do what is best for you, your family and your other pets, whichever way you decide, I wish you and yours the best.

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per kimyasneski:  'A doberman is just a dog just like any other dog just a really loyal smart dog and yes I have done my resarch.'

Oh---you are very wrong about this.  If you have researched this breed, you should know that a doberman has a totally different personality than "just any other dog".

 

'I'll read a book to learn more about dobermans but not liking this place.  I got more friendly welcomes when I was on a golden retriever forum'.

A person can learn a lot from books, but the best place to find out about a particular problem is to ask people that have dobermans and are aware of the possibilities and solutions.  You can't possibly interact with a book when you have a question that you need an answer to if it isnt written in a way that pertains to that specific question.

You are more than welcome to stay here and share your experiences, ask questions, and be an active member of this group, but if you choose to ask the Golden Retriever group specific problems about a doberman pinscher, I dont think you're going to get nearly as good advice as you will from this group. 

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Wait a sec.....  Tal, you're making it sound like you can't have a doberman if you have ANY other dogs.  That simply isn't true.  This is a puppy coming into the household, not an adult dog with issues.  

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My Ziva was rehomed due to her constant and escalating confrontations with my shih tzu mix terrier....and that started long before DJ entered the picture. 

I have always had dobermans and little dogs together, and multiple dobermans at times, and had never had a problem with them getting along, but Ziva developed a personality that prevented her from being able to be trusted around my small dogs. She got to the point that it was putting my little dogs in danger.  It was heartbreaking to me, and quite a shock, I have to admit, because like I said, I have always had dobermans and small dogs in multiples. In fact, right now, I have 6 dogs.  DJ and 3 little female terriers and 2 small male dogs (a rat terrier and a pom) and all are rescues.  No problems at all, but I stay on top of all situations, and my dogs all have very easy-going personalities.

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Happydance I would hope by now you me well enough to know I know they can coexist, as has been proven here in this forum, it was not my intention to indicate it was impossible - it's just that the original poster just sloughs off the fact that there is even a possibility of a safety issue at all and believes it will be like adding a golden retriever as was mentioned or a collie or another dog - it is a doberman and the doberman is a different sort I was just trying to drive that point home, sorry it came off that a dobie should be a sole dog in a household it is not........but alot of thought needs to be given to the risks with other dogs involved......and this person does not seem to want to face those facts....I had several friends with dobermans with cats and two dogs one of each sex and a farm full of critters with no problem and my sister had two females all the time and had horses so I know first hand it is possible......hope that clears that up