Crating after an Oops

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I know that you are never supposed to use the crate as punishment, but how are you ideally supposed to handle it after your pup has an accident inside?

For example, this morning:

I took Koko outside, he peed (about 5 times in a row haha) and then pooped.  I let him off leash to romp around a bit while I sat and watched him and listened to my audiobook.  When he started running over towards the garage every few minutes, I got up and we came inside (about 15 mins total, I guess.)  We came back to my office/his room for now, and I shut the door.  Filled one of his Kongs and set it down for him to play with, then got on the computer, playing with him now and then. 

No more than five minutes after we came in, he pooped in the corner!  I called his name in a scolding manner, and put him in his crate so I could clean up the mess.  I realized as I did that this could be considered 'punishment crating', but I'm not sure how else to handle it, since I need to be able to clean the mess up (without him underfoot and potentially making the mess even worse).

Most of the training materials I've read essentially say 'deal with it by not letting it happen in the first place'...  well, yes, but that doesn't tell me how I should be handling it if it does happen, for successful crate/house training without scarring him.  :-/

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Dogs have a 3-second association.  So anything after that he won't make that association.  If you catch him in the act of pooping, say NO, and carry him outside to finish his business out there.  Then you can put him in the crate with his kong while you clean up.  The association time has already lapsed.

If you didn't catch him in the act, the association time has already lapsed, so put him in the crate with his kong to clean up.  

Time in the crate with his filled kong is not punishment, it is treat time!  

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If it does happen, and you don't catch it, you just have to suck it up and clean it up.  Don't yell at him, or do anything.  Just clean it up, and make a mental note to watch him better.  :-)

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I did catch him just as he was straightening up; clearly done but still 'in the process' as it were.  So it sounds like I basically did the right thing, or at least close enough not to traumatize him.

As a side note he's so funny with his Kong...  he's figured out there's usually bits of food around it, but he hasn't caught on to chew it to make more come out.  He just noses it around in a circle till the loosest pieces are all out then loses interest.  lol  I tried rubbing it with treats, and even smearing it with peanut butter in strategic spots to no avail.  Ah well, hopefully he'll figure it out eventually.

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Koko sounds super cute!  Have I mentioned that I love his name?  Reminds me of my trip to Arizona.  We would see Kokopelli images everywhere!  Be careful, he may live up to his trixter name!  Harley sure did!  He is like roaring motorcycle when he is going full speed!

I used to prepare my kongs with treats in the way back (the smallest part), then kibble in the middle, then peanut butter at the end.  Then I would freeze them.  They would last just long enough for him to fall asleep and konk out in the crate.

I remember those cute baby knogs with the swirly colors.  Harley now has an X-large Black Extreme Kong.  I miss the baby kong days!

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My take on this is that as a young one all that romping and playing got things "moving" and even though he had already done his business they will do it again after play, so it might help to walk him or walk with him before going in especially after playing a few minutes - just to ensure that it's all done......my chihuahua does this, he goes out and does everything then we take a walk down the street and 3 minutes into the walk he has to do everything all over again, it's the process of wiggling and jiggling it through the body......so next time when you are ready to go in tell him to potty and don't go in until he does....since this time he went in right after playing and then it hit him "gotta go!!!" and he did......instead of crating you might put him outside on a lead in order to clean if you think the crate is sending the wrong message......just my take.....