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Hello all, I haven't been on for some time, had to weigh out some things. I really need advice about crate training, we have never crate trained, for some reason I have always felt it was mean. My breeder says that she has, so I'm just thinking that maybe we should. Our other fur children have their own bedroom, I'll try to get some pics posted. Adam and I discussed this, and in thes event of an emergency, until Sophie is completely trained and I can trust her, {at that point she'll be with me 24/7 every place I go.} I'm not sure where I could put her to keep her safe for the time I would be away, {no more than 12 hours.} Do you all think crate training is cruel? If not, where and how do you start. What size crate. How do you work in potty training? Will she spend time in the crate in day, while the other "kids" are out? I'm sorry for all the questions, we're just clueless. Sophie is coming home this Saturday, can't hardly wait!!! Thank you, Angie

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I failed miserably w/ crate training my akita - this time i made it work- there are tons of threads on here about it- just browse those and you will get the idea... They say an hour for every month old they are- only leave them enought space to stand up turn around and lie down (this helps w/ no pees and poos in there) no toys that could cause a choking hazard (squeekers etc) Cisco started out having to be in there 4 hrs at a clip and had some accidents at first but once we got the size down he was good to go same w/ raven.... I suggest an extra-large crate w/ a partition (they have a great one at petsmart its the toppaw brand) the space may still be too big so I got creative to make it the right size...

also never 12 hrs in the crate EVER! if you are going to be gone that long try and get somebody to come and let her out and pee/poo and play, get a drink eat... etc...

Nobody on here will tell you it is cruel - If you do it right they actually like it (it becomes their den and safe place) both my dogs will go right in and lay down if they want to be alone...

Make sure you put it somewhere where they feel like they are still with the family - mine our in laundry room off of our den - they can still hear us and the tv so they no they are ok at bed time...

always make sure you have her go to potty right before you put her in and immediately after you take her out...

I also put a cover over mine for bed time (an old sheet or throw) makes it more denlike...

The other kids being out - I can't help you with- somebody with multiple pups will have to answer that- I wouldnt know what to do in that case... Good luck! Cant wait to see how she has grown!

Welcome back!!!

mandy Cisco and Raven

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Mandy Cisco and Raven, Thank you so much I will peruse around for the links. i wouldn't leave her in the crate 12 hours, I just meant I might need to be away, if there was an issue with my older parents. My best friend will be close to Sophie, so she would be able to come check on her. Okay, this makes me feel better, thank you again! ~Angie

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I got the top paw crate from petsmart. The divider comes in handy, but i have a problem with ella knocking it off. It also comes with a free download of a video on crate training.

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Jensen make sure you have all the little hooks wrapped around the outside poles and it is not as tall so I make sure that the opening is at the top! Dont just lean it in there~ Its hard but you have to squeeze them into place!

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Thanks Jensen, I'll check it out!!

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Angie - The toppaw crate is great! Easy to clean, assemble/take-down if you need to move it~ And they are usually on sale if you have a petperks card... We got 2 obviously and I couldn't be happier w/ them... Crate training has been a blessing- All I do now is say go to your crates and they are in them (waiting for a treat of course) but I will take it. And when I get home they go straight to the door to go potty- they know the routine!

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Wow Cisco, that's great!! I'll check them out, and we do have a pet perks card, thank you!!

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I've been reading every thread on here about crate training, trying to soak it all in. I have another question. As I mentioned, our other fur kids have their own bedroom, it's puppy/dog proof. There is nothing they can get to that would hurt them, and nothing in there that they could hurt. Would it be a bad idea to just put Sophie to bed with them at night? She wouldn't be alone, and we keep the door gated at night. Let me describe their bed, it's a baby bed with one side off, like for toddlers, and it's about 4" from the floor. We altered it, because Asha is older and has a hard time jumping. Or should she be in a crate? Thank y'all so sorry for all the questions, we just really want to get it right!

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Crating helps with potty training. Dogs will naturally not go on themselves, so it teaches them to hold it. Of course they can't hold it forever, Ella starts barking when she needs to be let out. But if you leave them in too long they will have to go on themself. I would crate her until she's housebroken. Or you will wake up to a mess in the puppy room every morning.

And you think there is nothing Sophie could tear up, and I thought the same thing about Ella being in the bathroom. But she chewed a hole through the door, chewed on the baseboards and the frame around the door. That girl was determined to get out. Just be warned.

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Ahhhh Jensen, thank you! Noted, I hope all this kicks in when we get home Saturday!! LOL, I need an 800 #! You'd think we were prego, I guess we are in a way. It just helps to get ideas and advice from those whom have trod down this road before. I'm making a list of things we'll need, the fence people came today, they did a great job. The fence is only for outside play and some training for she and I. I'm so excited, I miss her like crazy, Adam and I have been calling her our "Sophapotomis."

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I agree w jensen.. my pups are finally not sleeping in their crates unless they want to andd they are 5/6 months old... it is crucial for housebreaking imo... Sophapotumus thats cute! CIsco was my baby rhino.. at christmas time I sang him I want a hippopotamus for Christmas but I altered words about getting a rhino instead he would jump up and kiss all over me he he he!!!

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Thanks y'all for the advice, Adam and I really need it!! Cisco, that's so sweet, AREN'T DOGS JUST GREAT! I never knew the love of a dog until almost 9 years ago, I missed out on so much, but makin' up for it now. All of our fur kids have their own little nickname and special little perks unique to each of them. Sophie just got hers early!! LOL!

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I call Ella a wildebeest bc when she runs through the house, it sounds like a herd of wildebeests. My stepmom has an Airedale names Sophie. I call her Soph-a-loaf. My mom has a Jack Russell named Trixie, called doodle. And Angel was Old Girl.

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Oh my dog, those are funny!! Well, here goes ours.... Asha is ashapash, Afffie is affie~o bc her whole name is Affalain Bovier Kennedy Onasis... her Daddy named her that, LOL! Affie has a heart murmur, UT gave her only 6 months to live, when she was 6 months old. God has given her almost 8 YEARS ,{June 15}, she is a special babe!! Loren is Mandog, bc he thinks he is a beast...like most Min~Pins. Thank you for sharing.

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Okay, we are crating, I put her in at about 10pm, she goes potty first, but it's not even an 40 minutes and she's crying. I take her potty again, put her back in her crate and she cries all over again, this goes on all night. Im staying in the living room with her, Adam has to work, so he's in our bedroom. Even though I don't work, I'm disabled and I'm exhausted. Can anyone help? I've read all the threads I can find. She sounds so ptiful, I could just die listeniing to her, like her little heart is breaking. She can she me, and she has her duckie, a bed and blankie?????? Am I too old....

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It will happen- just don't keep taking her out everytime she cries! Cisco did that and it was awful. Have you been putting her in there during the day to let her chill out and nap and relax- Maybe try that if not-  Also what worked with cisco was a crate cover (i just used an old sheet and covered the entire crate except door.) that seemed to make him like it better. They still bark and whine and cry when they are in there and I am home and cant watch them- They settle eventually. I will be doing laundry and cleaning and will be in and out of the room and after they do settle they just look at me like hey mom- and snuggle back up when they realize they aren't getting out yet. It takes some time and she is still a baby- Have you tried to put a radio or something w/ noise near the crate to soothe her- I also did that.

they don't sleep in them anymore very often- but they will if I put them to bed there.

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Mandy, it got serious last night. Same routine, but after I took her potty, we came in and she continued to cry and whine and went into the living room. Before I could get her she had terrible diarrhea twice. I had to wake Adam up to get the carpet cleaner out. After we got the carpet cleaned and I sat down on the couch with her, she was shaking, and nuzzled up to me. In minutes she was asleep, totally worn out. I felt so bad, she can't handle being in the crate. I spent the rest of the night with her on the sofa, she woke me at 5 pulling my hair. We went potty, solid poo. I know it was her nerves, so I guess I won't crate her. She has never had an accident on any furniture or our bed, only the floor. I so appreciate you checking on us, I need that!!  Sophapotomis & Angie

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Angie---that's why I never crated my dogs...I'm a big ol' softy when they cry cause they would rather be with me, because, I would rather them be with me, too.  There have been times that I wished she was crate trained, but very few.

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Paul, I just don't think she can take it. Last night proved it. She's gong to be my service dog anyway, {with God's help!} So, I just think I'm gonna forget the crate. The only times I can even imagine she might not be able to be with us, would be a true emergency, and that would be only BEFORE she's SD trained. After that, there is nowhere that she couldn't be with me, even in the hospital, except in surgery of course, but Adam would be with her. She always pulls my hair when she has to go out, I know it seems like she's young to know to do that, But I swear she does. Thank you for understanding, I'm glad I'm not the only softy!!!  Soph & Ang

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Angie, it's like I said on another post somewhere, Ziva has always slept in the bed with us, from day 1. I'd just get up often and make her go out, and after a couple of weeks, she picked up on the 'outside at night' thing---she never pulled my hair, but she used her front paw to tap me and wake me up.  (Still does, in fact)  Funny thing is, she never "lied to me" and said she needed to go potty just to get up and play or eat or whatever.  If she woke me up with a tapping paw to the face (owww) or on my leg, it was because she truly needed to go potty.  It worked out well for us, and before long, she was sleeping through the night without having to go out until I got up when the alarm clock went off.  Every dobie owner has to decide what works best for them, you know.

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The only accident's we are having now, are in the day. When she and Loren run though the kitchen, around the den, and it's only a little. I think it's excitable pee-pee. She is so good for Loren too, he is having a ball, the girls are older and never really ran around with him. If he jumps on the sofa for a quick break, she barks at him!! LOL! She doesn't know she can jump up there yet, but she jumps down, figure that??

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Angie, just remember that if she ever has to go to the vet for anything except regular visits she will be kenneled.  i.e., after being spayed, ear cropping, emergencies etc...  IMHO it is best to at least get Sophie used to the crate, even if you don't keep her kenneled at night.  It will be less traumatic for her if she doesn't also have to deal with an unfamiliar "caged" feeling.

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Thank you Marti, I will sure try, maybe just for 10 minutes a day or so.

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I just bought my Doberman yesterday. He is 12 weeks old and we crate train him. My breeder did not. He so far is fine with it. We even can leave it open all day (My wife and I work from home) and at night we lock him in. I mean its only been a night but as soon as the lights go off he goes to sleep with us. Its not cruel unless you use it as prison. I was reading i think on this website about it under the training information. Just do not use it as punishment. We actually tell him to go to his bed and when he does we reward and praise him. So now he goes in there to relax.
 Good luck!