Advice for Jax

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Hello everyone! I am new here and just had a few questions about my 9 week old dobie Jax! Feel free to lend me any advice you may have. So far it as only been about 3 days since we have got him and he has settled in amazingly. From the first night we brought him home he was never shy or nervous of the new surroundings. He just jumped right in and started playing as if he had been with us forever. He already knows sit and drop it. I teach him in 10 minute sessions twice a day and reward him with lots of play. He does not know how to walk on a leash yet so that's our next goal. He follows everywhere off leash and is beginning to learn his name so I am very happy with his training so far! 

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- I do have two chihuahua's who are extremley friendly with smaller dogs and big dogs (if they are gentle). However, they are not used to all the energy and ruckus that a puppy brings. As of right now they want nothing to do with him,they keep their distance and if he gets too close and if he tries to play with them or bark at them they will snap at him and try to run away. I hope it is just a matter of time before they are able to trust him and he learns his boundries with them. Are there any tips on how to make my chihuahua's feel more comfortable around Jax?

- Jax is not potty trained and shows me no warning when he needs to be taken out. My previous puppy(an Australian Shepherd who I no longer own) was excellent with potty training! We did not even need to teach him, he would cry in front of the door to be let out and never had any accidents. I am curious to see how long it will take Jax before he gets the hang of it. I take him out every 30 minutes and after sleeping, eating/drinking, and playtime. I wake up to take him out about twice in the middle of the night. Whenever he has an accident in the house I say a stern "No" and take him outside immediately. As soon as he goes potty outside I reward him lots of encouragement and pets. Any tips or advice for this potty training process would be great!! 

-Puppy pads or no puppy pads? I have heard both sides to this question. Some believe that it is confusing for the puppy when you tell him he can't pee in the house but then you reward him when he pees on the pad. They say it could make the process of potty training take even longer. Others say it is great to have a selected area where the puppy learns to go until he can hold it and you no longer need it. I am still debating whether or not I should use them. 

-At the moment I spend pretty much 24/7 with Jax (he spends about 1 hour out of the whole day by himself) taking him out, playing with him, teaching him, etc. He does socialize with other people and a few dogs but I am afraid if I continue spending 24/7 with him he will develop seperation anxiety. Should I start giving him more time to be alone?

These are all my questions for now, sorry for it being so long!

Thanks for all your help

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First off, train and teach all of your dogs to RESPECT each other.  The smaller dogs need to respect Jax and not get snippy with him, and Jax definitely needs to respect the littles and not play rough with them. It IS possible to teach a doberman to 'play gentle' around small dogs, but it takes consistancy and watching them all the time.  Dont worry if one of your little dogs ends up being the 'alpha dog' instead of your dobie...my little 7 lb rat terrier is definitely the ruler of my dog pack.  LOL  Dogs sort of work out their own heirarchy.

Even though Jax is small now, dont allow him to do anything just because it's 'cute' that you dont want to see him doing with more gusto when he's an 80 pound adult.  Honestly, it's better if the dogs get along well and never physically 'play' together than it is to keep the little ones from getting hurt badly by a big heavy paw or a bite to the neck.

He's 9 weeks old?  Potty training will consist of taking him out often...very often...and probably on a leash so that he doesnt think he's just going out to play.  Give him a word or phrase, like 'go potty' or 'potty time'...I use 'hurry up' for DJ.  As soon as he's done his thing, praise him big time and let him play.  It's gonna take a while for him to grasp the concept of pottying outside, most likely, but some puppys figure it out very quickly.

I've never had much luck using pee pads for potty training, although some people have.

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A big welcome to the Forum to you and Jax.. what an adventure you're in for.

Yep.. Paul is right.. potty training will go smoothly and quickly if you're diligent and consistent.. Every half hour ( or more) night and day till he 'gets' it and 'get it' he will I promise..no puppy pads... you must take him outside and let him know where the 'loo' is.

I would encourage you to crate train right away. Give Jax a place of his own and one away from the 'Littles.'

Spending loads of time with your boy will not cause separation anxiety. That's a given with Dobermans,, ( I don't think they're anxious... they just want to be with us.. that's why they're called Velcro Dogs)

Take loads of photos.. he's an adorable pup and before you know it. .( as in BLINK) he's going to be a big, regal young man.

So excited for you.. and Saludos from Mexico

Kate, Sofia and Bella

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Hi there and as usual, the great advice preceeds me :)

One thing I would add is rewarding Jax for any good behaviour that you want him to repeat. When Jax is doing what you want him to do ie getting on the ground to play appropiately with smaller dogs, not barking, lying calmly at your feet, not jumping up,  etc, reward him with a treat and some praise to let him know that you approve of what he is doing.

Its hard enough for a dog to work out how to get along with us hopelessly inconsistent humans, the least we can do is guide them in what we want them to do, instead of only rousing on them when the do something we disapprove of.

If your concerned about seperation anxiety, and you go out for an hour a day, find a treat he will walk over broken glass or hot coals for (hint: pigs ears YUM) and only give it to him right before you go out. Before long he'll be kicking you out the door for his favortie treat.

I do agree though, being with him will not create seperation anxiety UNLESS you make a big deal out of it when you leave and/or when you return. Just be mindful to calmly drop a pigs ear right before you leave, and when you return, give it a minute before you say hello and give him a pat, with out acting as though you havent seen each other for ages.

I have a friend with 2xchihuahua's and Storm loves playing with them. She gets down on the ground with them and they hop all over her lol. Its the funniest thing to watch. My previous dobe had an old mini fox terrier as a pal and they played beautifully together.

Yes puppies are hard work but watching them blossum into great dogs is one of lifes  great adventures. Enjoy it. It goes past a lot quicker than you think. Of course video and pics can help with that...

 

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Thank you guys so much for your amazing advice! I really really appreciate it!! Jax is doing very well, worked on the leash today and he was good but every couple of steps he would just randomly stop and refuse to walk for no reason. I would either have to rub his back or shake a toy in front of him to get him to start walking again. Should I use treats to teach him on a leash? Also, I have been working on teaching Jax to respect my two chihuahuas (vice versa) and it has been difficult because he constantly wants to play with them and when he tries to play they think he is being aggressive so they snap at him which only makes him more excited. It is basically a never ending cycle of him trying to play and barking at them and them just snapping back at him. Jax needs to learn that they aren't play toys. If he was gentle they would have no problem with him but gentle is something very difficult to teach a pup so it is a slow proccess but we will get there. Tomorrow I am going to schedule an appointment to get his ears cropped. How long do they usually need the tape on for? Is it very difficult to keep up with retaping them and not letting them get dirty or wet? I live in quite a rainy area so I am guessing that will be a challenge. 

 Anyways, thanks again! I'm enjoying my time with him as a small puppy, he is already growing so much it is insane!! I think I am going to take him to puppy classes soon so that should be fun!

 

 

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Always remember that a tired puppy is a good puppy.  We have two mini doxies also and it takes extra supervision, but can be a positive blend.  Like DJs dad said, they have to be taught to respect each other.  

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How do you go about teaching them to respect eachother? Is it best to just leave it to them to figure eachother out or should I get involved when Jax tries to play and makes them mad?

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Definitely get involved.  A doberman will take and keep the upper hand in a situation if they aren't supervised and corrected for inappropriate behavior.  Distract him with a toy when he starts barking and play jumping at the little dogs.  Keep his interest.  You may have to separate them on occasion, or even keep a short leash attached to Jax's collar so that you can pull him away when he gets carried away with play.  He's a puppy, so to him, anything  and everything is put on this earth for him to play with.  That's just how they think.  Your little dogs are snapping because 'self preservation' is a very strong instinct, and they KNOW he can hurt them if he plopped a big foot down across their back or head!  They are in protection mode, while he is in play mode.  Eventually, they will all be on the same page, but it's up to you to make sure they get there.  It's a job, believe me!

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We have mutual time outs.  Frequently. And we keep an appropriate toy/tug in the dobies mouth so that he can resist the urge to mouth the littles.  It takes CONSTANT supervision. They learn pretty quickly to be gentle.  In our case, it's the littles that start the ruckus because those big paws and shark teeth hurt!

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Hello everyone! I've been using all your advice and things have gotten much much better with Jax and my chihuahuas, so thank you so much!! He is learning to be more gentle and they start to feel much more comfortable around him. It is still a work in progress and requires constant supervision but we are getting there. However, Jax is scared of any dog that is bigger than him. If say a German Shepherd runs up to him he will just start screaming and crying without them even touching him. He then runs and tries to hide between my legs. Has anybody experienced this with there pup? I don't want his fear to turn in to aggression once he becomes a huge dog and realizes he is just as powerful as them, so I really want him to be comfortable and nice around all types of dogs.

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Hi Jax,

Yes my dobie did exactly the same thing and still hides a little if a big bouncy dog comes up to her (shes 7 months old now), I just basically ignored the behavior- it's important to not mollycoddle or comfort them when they're showing the fear as this reinforces that it's the right thing to do. I generally say, oh look another doggie, who's that then? go say hello, etc. and she's praised when she interacts nicely with the other dog/s. She's getting better all the time I think it's just a puppy thing, she used to pee herself if a big dog came up to her, now she tends to go between my legs and pop her head out to say hello and at doggie play (similar to dog parks in the USA) instead of following me all the time she will now go and initiate play with other dogs, though she still prefers the smaller less bouncy ones!

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I've found with Storm that it has a bit to do with the socialisation issue. In my neck of the woods there are far fewer dogs her size or larger. Of the small number of larger dogs, only about a third or maybe half are suitably trained and socialised. If our dogs cant be socialized with bigger dogs, they are more cautious around them.

The problem with yelping and running is that it turns on the prey drive in other dogs causing them to chase more. I've worked with Storm to teach her to stay still for a short time (teaching stand stays are handy for this), and the dogs will quickly lose interest in her. If she cant stop where she is, I least tell her to 'ease up' or just 'easy', which slows her enough to walk back to me without running. This has helped alot, and now she's learned how effective this is, she does it on her own. Storm can be chased by a pack of dogs at the park, and she loves it, but when you see that tail coming down as the pack energy increases, she will just pause and wait, and you can see the pack just calm right down, and they all trot back to their owners or back to their wrestling with each other etc. Storm will usually come right back to me for a pat of reassurance before getting me to throw a ball or visit other people close by.

That said, watch out for the dogs who persist. If your dog is sending out signals that it doesnt want to play and the other dog is persisting, and particularly if the owner is ignoring this behavior, it has become bullying and I would leave. Dont underestimate the fact that you are the leader (as voted for by your dog) and its your job to keep them safe. If your dog feels you cant keep him/her safe, he'll feel the need to elect himself, and then your in for a world of trouble. Be very conscious of all the dogs in the park and their body language. If your dog is unconfortable, he will respect you all the more for getting him out of there and keeping him safe.

Its a fine line we walk at our local dog parks. Its worth the effort IF you are vigilant.

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It is comforting to read that I'm not the only one who had this situation with their dobe. Oz Dobe, yesterday that exact thing happened with a big dog we came across. Jax got very nervous and started to yelp and try to get away which only made the big dog more pumped up/excited (prey drive) and chased after Jax like cat and mouse.  I think it is better for Jax to start socialization with gentle calmer dogs so he can build up his confidence before he meets nervous, excited, loud, etc. types of dogs. I do agree with you about getting your dog out of a sketchy situation with another dog however, I also want Jax to learn to be around those kinds of dogs (when he is ready) so I can eventually trust him in any situation. 

At the moment anything can make Jax nervous  (he will either start barking with his hair raised or or put his tail under his butt and try to hide) such as: the sound of somebody raking leaves in their yard, another dog barking or walking by, somebody exiting their home, etc. He is in major need of exposure to new dogs, people, sounds, sights, and smells. He is just a puppy so I am not worried but I was just wondering if anybody elses pup was as easly startled as Jax is.

One last question..both of my chihuahuas are male like Jax and I read in many threads that this can be an issue with territorial aggression or someting? Is this something I should be worried about? 

Thanks for all your help! And sorry for having so many questions haha I just want to be sure I am doing everything right for Jax.