6 month issues.

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Hello all..

 

I postetd a few things here about three or four months ago that really helped me cope with the first stage of my Dobie's development. he is now 6 and a half months old. sits, lies down, walks pretty nicely and plays super nice with other dogs... and he is submissive towards me and other humans that treat him like I tell them too:)

 

now for the bad things:

 

1.the biggest issue is when we are walking... he will walk super nice, behind me or to the side not pulling, sniffing a bit looking up at me recieving a treat.. then suddenly, and I can see his head going down, or when he dissapears behind me he goes for my leg or hand. I know it is just playing. but it has gotten worse and worse.. at first I tried to ignore it.. didn't work. now I grab his collar and give him a seriouse NO, but he will twist and turn ang get very worked up and almost choke himself... this can go on for ages. even if I stand still and wait for him to settle down, as soon as I let the collar go he goes for my hand.. today I tried what worked with my previouse dog: just standing still and waiting for him to get over with it, but he jumped and hung onto my jacked sleeve for such a long time I eventually felt I was making things worse... help! any tips?

 

this is not boredome... because he will even do it walking home from the dog park after running himself ragged with other dogs, playing catch and being totally bloody worn out...

 

2.he is still playbiting, or rather nibbeling all the time. I give him stuff to chew, try to rederict, but he will simply dorp the toy and come back to me.

 

3.any tips on training to have him stop barking on order? I know he is supposed to look out for dangers, which is fine, and one of the reasons I like the breed... but once I tell him there is none, he needs l´to chill..

 

4. am I being a little ro rough on the little fella?

 

kind regards

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With the walks get two small prong collar I say two so you have extra links to make it fit. It should fit snug and give a correction when he does this on the walk. You need to introduce a leave it command to address the play biting. And mine was a barker he know a bark command and now he knows the no bark command. We let him have a max of five barks the we give him the no bark command and he has done quite well with it we will also tell him leave it when he doesn't stop and he will stop. Are you in any training ? If he's doing this while walking behind you then don't let him walk behind you keep him to your side. But someone needs to learn some walking manners and some stop commands ;) mines 7 months on Tuesday lol I know how you feel minus the walking thing he's very polite on walks

 

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Regarding the barking, one thing that I found really useful was carrying around a small pocket-sized LOUD squeaky toy. I never leave squeaky toys out when I am home, so if June was barking I'd give him his 3 barks then say "Juneau, enough" and immediately after squeak the toy two or three times in my pocket. Of course he'd stop barking immediately thinking that there is a squeaky toy to be had, and come running in so I'd click and reward. Sometimes I'd give him an actual dober-sized squeaky to run around with for a few minutes afterward. 

On the biting, that one is tough and can really depend on the puppy. Juneau wasn't much of a biter at all--not of me at least, he totally murders his toys. June will softly put his mouth around my forearm and just sit there which I never minded. With my other dog who was more of a nibbler, and redirecting from ME never seemed to work, I would quietly get up and stand behind the baby gate until he settled down. I found the physical barrier to work really well, and if he went for me again I would just step back over. I never made a big to-do about it since the yelling "OUCH" only seemed to rile him further. 

Good luck ^_^

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Additionally, I never used prong collars with Juneau for very Juneau-specific reasons, although they are a great tool and I used them at a training facility ages ago. June was trained to loose-leash walk and heel entirely on a standard harness (not a gentle lead harness). I would definitely second the prong collar theory, but if you have objections or concerns about it for your pup shoot me a message and I'll tell you how we went about it. 

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Sgourle - I'd love to hear your leash training technique.  I personally will not use a prong collar so I'm always interested in good training tips.

 

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Why won't you use a prong collar ?

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It's just my personal philosophy.  I don't fault or judge anyone that does in any way but my personal philosophy is that if I'm not willing to put it on me (at least on my wrist!) I won't put it on my pups.  

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It's just my personal philosophy.  I don't fault or judge anyone that does in any way but my personal philosophy is that if I'm not willing to put it on me (at least on my wrist!) I won't put it on my pups.  

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I've put it on my wrist and arm to test it and it doesn't hurt 

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@Ares -- Originally I didn't use one because I prefer harnesses (very active outdoors with my older dog and often help him boulder or pull him out of water) and pulling wasn't much of an issue with June. When Juneau was about 8 months old he jumped out of the car and exhibited a lot of pain that night. And no, I don't allow them to jump out but he bolted as soon as I flipped his leash on. Anyway, several vets, several months, various diagnosis, and LOTS of X-rays/exams later he was great and I don't suppose I'll ever know what it was unless I want to get an MRI. Two vets agreed on Pano, which would make sense since he was small when I got him and grew extremely quickly (not by choice). Another thought that it might be IVDD. Not wanting to risk any other injury during his growth phase I stuck to the harness. I can walk him on a collar fine now because he knows not to pull, I just didn't want unnecessary pressure on his neck when he was learning. 

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Not saying harness are bad I just wanted to understand the reason to not try a prong collar 

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Our first Dobe Kevin was the worst biter ever. I would literally be left bleeding and in tears. He was a terror during all puppy classes and truthfully no suggestions here or online or in classes worked. Once he hit the 1 year mark it was like a switch turned off and he stopped. Now he is 3 and a perfect angel.

Now we have our second puppy and fortunately for us a lot of that biting energy goes to Kevin and he teaches her in doggy language what is acceptable and not. But, regarding the jumping up and biting at your hands during walks, Kevin also did that as a pup and we started to realize that was his way of saying "I'm tired. I've had enough. I want to be home." So maybe reflect on the amount of exercise he is getting in one setting and if that is too much. I know we all have high energy dogs, but even 6 month old puppies need frequent rests.

And I know this is no comfort now, but hang in there. If your pup is anything like Kevin, once he hits maturity all of your training will have paid off. The biting will cease and all will be forgotten. Until you add another pup to the family. ;-)

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Great point jpdobie about the jumping at hands when tired!  Zeus does the same thing; he'll turn to me and try to jump ("Mommy pick me up") or gently nip at my hands towards the end of our walk when he's had enough.  He also does it when I'm having to give him a lot of leash corrections to let me know he's not in agreement :-)

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I was given a tip today, from a trainer, while I was finalizing Mr. Darcy's puppy class.  Mr Darcy loves to tug on the leash and play (bite) while we walk, the trainer said to spray "Bitter Apple" directly in his mouth and firmly say "OFF." It seemed to really work. I will update if he continues to be a gentleman or not.

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Haha that's great! I tried bitter apple...Juneau liked it so much he ripped off the top and licked it all up. Then threw it all up :-/

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ha ha ha that's funny !

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Hi everyone.

 

thanks so much for all the tips and ideas.

 

I will keep walking on loose leash (instead of prong) for now, as it works 90 percent of the time. H will walk a little in front of me if I let him, with his head, but fgrequently checks back on my so I think that is fine for now.. I am gradually moving him further back every day.

 

Maybe he is tired! he usually dows it after long walks, and ALWAYS when we are on our way back. but then again, when we get home it is like he is full of energy again.

 

He's a good kid and perhaps more of a biter than others, but I will use time as my friend. he does not break skin or anything, or even bite hard. Like one poster said here, sometimes just buts my whole arm in his mouth and looks at me. lol.

 

ONE rather funny issue I forgot to ask about is:

 

a few weeks back we we're walking when and ambulance was aproaching. Since he is a little hesitant around loud noises I stopped and stood still to show him I was relaxed and unmoved by the big car howling towards us, and that he should be too... but then he started to immitate the howl with his voice, and I completely lost it and was almost rolling around in laughter. now naturally, he thinks doing this makes me happy, but is sounds a little retarded.. but I will try to teach him the Stop-silent (or something similar) as for the barking and use it in those situations too.

 

again, thanks all!

 

 

 

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The Dober howl lol cracks me up too my boy does it lol

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I love the howl and fully encourage it!  The family that howls together stays together... if I start howling I can get both of mine going.  We have a train that goes near the house and when it passes at certain speeds the howling begins.  And all police/ambulance/fire sirens regardless of whether we are home or on a walk illicit a good howl.  I actually posted a video on instagram earlier this morning of a morning howl session, albeit not a very good one!  Zeus has had to learn how to howl but he's getting better at it.  Check it out on instagram:https://instagram.com/p/6C5nQuomwX/?taken-by=1lauramae