not listening to commands

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Willow is not learning No ,Drop , Off very well , but esp NO bite! she thinks this means bite harder ! please help ive tried what is recommened in the traning and behavioral problems forum but she's not seeming to get the message

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I can help you, are you familiar with any training methods?  What kind of training do you currently do?

 

What I can tell you right off the bat is that "no" and "no bite" are not very useful, and "no" is too broad for a young dog to understand.  Instead of "no", redirect using a command that your dog responds to.  In other words, your dog tries to take some food off the table, instead of saying "no", say "leave it".  Dog jumps on the couch, instead of "no" say "off".  etc.

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@etim, how old is Willow?  Puppies tend to feel everything with their mouths, and if she's less than 5 - 6 months old, she doesnt realize that she is doing anything wrong yet. 

MY Ziva was never a biter, not even at 8 weeks old.  She always had a 'soft mouth' and I didnt mind at all her putting her mouth around my hand or arm, because that's how they feel things and explore things, and she never ever applied any pressure or punctured my skin with her teeth. What a joy. 

DJ on the other hand, was a SHARK.  Trying to hold her mouth shut was a trick, as she could maneuver her face out of my grip before I got a good hold on her, and would bite my arm or my fingers. Some training methods are different for individual dogs---not everything that works on one dog will work for every dog.  I found that out a long time ago. When DJ would bite,  I started letting her know that biting was NOT going to be tolerated by holding her by the muzzle (after I mastered the art of grabbing her before she grabbed me) and while holding her like this, gently pushed her head downward so that her chin was almost on her chest and told her "NO BITE" at the same time.  She literally hated being put in that position, and soon stopped biting. She finally understood that every time she would bite me, she would get her face held and lowered, and hear 'no bite'.  Of course, the bite-stopping didnt happen overnight, but she's 5 months old now, and has learned the art of 'soft mouth' when she plays for over a month now. 

Persistance, my friend, and gentle but firm corrections every single time will eventually pay off.

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We did a loud "yelp" with Harley and it worked like a charm.  It would startle him and he would look up at us and start to give kisses, which we encouraged.  I think we only had to deal with play biting for like a month.  But like ZD said above, no one method will work on all dogs.  Kevin gave great advice.  "NO" means nothing to a dog.  Instead tell your dog what you expect of her.

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she will be 5 mos. on the 25Th . It's mainly her jumping on me and people and she jumps up and bites my arm when im going to throw a toy , and walking her on leash is just a disaster  is she to young for a pinch collar ? im seening improvment in other things though !:)

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pinch collars are a training tool, and if you are not using it with regular training, it will be worthless.  Your dog will not learn to not pull, just learn to not pull WHEN THE COLLAR IS ON.  Big difference.  Positive punishment is generally not a good idea, especially for dobermans, so if you are not familiar with training methods I would strongly discourage a choke/slip/prong until you become more familar.  I would never use this kind of collar on a 5 month old dog though, regardless.  Negative punishment, and positive reinforcement will get you MUCH further.

What techniques have you tried to eliminate the pulling so far?

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walking her in the heel position , she will do good along a wall or fence ,but just walking her is constant pulling , not enjoyable , and no pinch collar in use , was just wondering Thanks

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i have 3 other dogs so training at home is very distracting for her and taking her somewhere else is like trying to get a rodeo bull to focus when it's being riddin!

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She was a Christmas baby? London was born on 12-28-11

I bought the Easy Walk harness for London and it really made a huge difference immediately.  Only problem is that now she sometimes will act irritated and grab the leash and start thrashing it back and forth when we are walking.  Very irritating to me when she does that and I will stop and not move til she stops.


She also has a strong bite at times.  Sometimes she plays fine and sometimes she is really rough and won't stop.  It is hard to grab their muzzle sometimes cuz they get pretty quick at dodging ya and then getting you again.  I am going to try the chin to chest method and see how she does with that. ;-)

 

She definately does not like water!  It doesn't even have to be a bottle of water...if I have any squirt bottle around she behaves.  I was cleaning and stopped and sat down and set the cleaner on the table and she saw it and went the other way. lol 

Some days are great and others are like she is a different dog.  I'm sure just like us, they get bored and want something exciting every once in awhile.  I just keep telling myself...she may look big but she's still a baby!!!  Spoiled baby! ;-)

Just stay strong & consistent; we'll get there! 
 

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Thanks  Krazymamma, are you sure london and willow are not related LOL  ! i'm working hard and staying consistent but somedays she acts bulletproof and her ears turn off lol , but i am seeing improvement .

my 17 yr old daughter thinks she is so annoying and when she is home it's like willow feeds off that lol i

i know we'll get there, but it sure seems far away :)

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I know what ya mean! lol  I just keep telling myself...only 6 or 7 more months of this...LMAO!  Then maybe, just maybe the puppy stage will slow down! ;-)

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Etim and KM, I feel your pain - Monty was born on Christmas Day too!

He suffers from selective deafness (what male doesn't?) and, at the moment, is darn near uncontrollable.  That said, he has come a long way in the (almost) four weeks he's been with us.  If we could only stop him from biting and jumping up, life would be much calmer.  Not even tried the heel walking yet but formal training starts tomorrow, so that'll be interesting!

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Chin to chest method is sketchy in our case, but maybe Monty just needs more time to get the idea.  He seems to 'forget' stuff he's learned one day by the start of the next one.

Water guns have had a much better effect with the jumping up, or chewing things he's not supposed to.

As with everything, persistence is the key.

Conflicting opinions on the use of 'NO' though.  Some advice we've had from a Doberman breeder and a couple of others is that too many words are confusing so use the word 'no' for everything you find unacceptable.

That doesn't seem natural to us, so we're using simple commands like... No bite, Get off, Leave it, Drop it, etc, along with the simple obedience commands.

Seems to be working most of the time.