My 8 month is marking people's legs at the dog park! Help please!

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I have an 8 month old male dobie. He's gone through puppy obedience although he is still VERY stubborn. We've been going to the dog park for a few months now (about 3 times a week) and we've never had a problem. He plays well with other dogs and the people love how goofy he is. However, in the past week, he has peed on (2) men's legs (2 different days). I'm assuming he's smelling their dog and marking, but this is just unacceptable. The first time I caught him, it was too late, he was already done. I said "No Turk!" and grabbed his harness and pulled him away. The 2nd time I caught him mid pee and I said "No!" even louder (which did not make him stop), pulled him away and put him on the leash for about 5 minutes. I really don't know how to stop him. Now every time he walks up to a person I'm afraid he's going to pee on someone and I can't help but yell before he's even done anything. It's just instict for me. I know this isn't the right way to react. Please help! Any advice or opinions would be appreciated. 

Hi Mag

You never said whether or not Turk is intact or not . But anyway , In my opinion you should get him on a serious obedience program . The way I see it , he's marking for dominance not territory , hence the men . Men are bigger , deeper in voice and as he would see it , big dog in the yard . He may be starting to see himself as alpha dog around the house too . To put him in his place you'll need to take charge of most everything he does . Do things like not letting him sit just anywhere he wants , make him stay in a place you choose kinda thing . If he's allowed on the sofa , don't allow it very much anymore , shove him to the floor . And I mean shove , don't be shy about it . He won't get his feelings hurt , you'll just be talking "dog" to him .

The obedience training will make YOU alfa dog everyplace you go with him and once he knows where his place is on the totem pole I belive the peeing on people will stop .

One more thing , when you COMMAND him , don't go "no Turk" or "sit turk" , start with his name then the command " TURK-NO !!" "Turk-sit" or "Turk-stay".

Anyway , best of luck to you and Turk

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Thank you for replying! I was starting to think no one had any advice =p

Turk is still intact, I'm not going to get him neutered until at least 12 months if not a little later. I'm starting to try what you recommended with the being more in control. He's still a very stubborn little boy, but I'll keep trying. I also grabbed the scruff on his neck when he snipped at me and boy he did not like that at all! But it made him stop (temporarily anyway). I've also stopped letting him jump on the couch. We're still having trouble with crating. He never learned to love it like everyone says they will.

 

Thanks for the advice!

Hey Mag

Ok , he's got all his parts . Here's what you have . You have a sexually mature dog (not physicaly)who WILL try to be ALPHA dog and if YOU let him , he will get there . At 8 months , you could think of him as a older teenager , James Dean kinda thing . ( I guess that ages me ). The intact thing is up to you , he's your dog . I would suggest that you have him neutered though . The only thing this will change is his attitude and of course his ability to reproduce . Neutering will not affect his size or his willingness to protect his home or his people . Again , up to you .

When he " snipped at you " ,  ( my quote [He may be starting to see himself as alpha dog around the house too] ) I hope you put him to the ground like a linebacker tackling a quarterback in the superbowl . In other words , to Turk " don't do that ! I WILL NOT put up with that ! " If I were to use a command , it would have been " STOP " barked at him . But this is mostly body language which he understands more than english .

Like I said before , get him started on an obedience program . It will make a world of difference .

You don't have a bad dog , you don't have a stubborn dog , just a dog that needs to learn his place .

Remember , YOUR ALPHA , never let him forget .

I was going to say " best of luck " and changed my mind ....

Diligence ,

Gunny

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Thanks Gunny! I'm definitely going to try to be more in control and let him know who the boss is. The "snipping" is more like chomping his teeth and he's done it since he was a baby. I definitely do not encourage it and have always replied with a "no bite" or "stop".

Thanks again! Look forward to listening to anyone else's advice too.

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I agree with gun slinger...  Get him on a good obedience program, stick with it, and i would hold off on the dog park until you know a little more reliably that he won't mark people's legs.  Many people don't like dobes as it is, and nobody wants to be the person that the other people at the dog park talk about with the out of control dobe lol. 

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Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, everyone says "oh it's no big deal, it's a dog park, these things happen" but I'm sure that's not what they say when we leave lol. I don't have the funds at the moment for a training program, but I'm going to take a look at some books and see what we can work on at home. The puppy training class I paid $200 for was NOTHING I couldn't have found in a puppy training book. I was very disappointed.

Thanks!

http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?qwork=3577603&matches=57&qsort=p&cm_sp=

I've used Koehler's method on my dogs . If followed , rock solid training .

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Just curiuos why you want to wait until he's a year old to get him fixed?  

 

I'd say do it now and it will probably help a bit with this problem.

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Well I had planned to get him fixed a couple months ago, but after doing some research, I've decided to wait until he is more physically and mentally mature. I've read studies favoring waiting until a medium/large dog is at least 12-18 months old. Some studies have shown that neutering a large dog before 12 months can hinder their growth and can negatively affect their hormone levels on a long term basis. Turk is my first dog, so I'm not pretending to know the correct way to raise him. It's live and learn and do as much research as possible. I do know I want a well trained, non-aggressive dog, and if waiting to get him neutered is shown to lessen aggression later on in his life, then I'll wait.

I'm open to others' opinions though!

 

Thanks!

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Hey Maggiedav! 

My puppy is at 5 months and he began marking this week. It is only after another dog urinates and he goes immediately on top of it. I know it's just the beginning but trying to figure out the best way to make him stop. Have you found anything on the topic?

Also, I am waiting to neuter my dobe. My breeder had it in her paperwork we were not allowed to until 2 years of age. My vet and trainer disagree but I am sticking with my breeder. However, across the board I have heard if you have waited until their testosterone has started really pumping, you need to wait. If not, their 'behavior/attitude' will remain the way it is. 

I think these months (5-10) are going to be harder than the first months I had my pup. I have noticed since he shot in size other dog owners are cautious around him and sort of watch their dogs very closely with my dobe. He goes to the dog park everyday, 2x a day. I understand he is going through a stage, but I think it hurts him also when that happens at the dog park! 

Good luck! :)