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This is so not cool!  Harley has been marking outside... which to me is okay.  But recently, he has started marking people's legs including mine and Kevin.  He pees on our feet usually when other strange dogs are around.  It happens so fast it is hard to correct.  I know you need to discipline within 3 seconds or else they won't know why they are being disciplined, but this usually happens off-leash and he is gone and off doing something else while I am still asking, "Did he just pee on you/me??!!"

Is it time to neuter?  Is he being dominate (he shows no other signs of dominance)?  How do I correct this?  Should he ALWAYS be on leash? 

The problem with that is that this happens in our own home.  Our friends brought their dog over and he walked over and peed on Kevin's feet.  I brought Harley to work and he peed on my feet when another office dog came over. 

We bring him to puppy social and peed on a stranger's foot.  He peed on my boss' foot today.

NOT GOOD!

 

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Her, neutering only 'stops' marking if you neuter before it happens. Neutering *sort of* stops them maturing. Marking is a sign he's maturing. With a neuter, he still matures, but in a different way. Neutering now won't stop marking. Often, marking occurs even if the pup is neutered before he starts marking...So. No to the neuter if you're doing it just to stop marking.

 

It only happens when other dogs are around, so just be on high alert. Whenever he goes near someone, have them move away. I'm not sure what the reason for his marking is...Could be territorial. "They're mine." It's not a dominance thing...It's just saying that his people are his people. It doesn't mean it's OK, but it's not a dominance thing.

 

Just make sure you're on high alert, and warn the people around you if possible.

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How old is he now?  If you don't intend on breeding him, and he's 9 months or older, there really is no sense in having him unneutered in my mind.  I waited a year to neuter Steve and when we weren't going to do some of the things I had planned with him (competition sports, etc) I neutered him.  Only behavior it ended was him obsessing over drinking pee and drooling (the smell was so intoxicating) and the desire to pee on every thing he could.  It depends on the dog, it doesn't fix all behaviors.  Many a neutered dog lifts his leg on people.. or humps.

I've known many dogs that peed on people... it happens to me sometimes at work.  If he's doing it when he's off-leash and it sounds like you know his triggers, take away that off-leash time until you can get him to respond to a verbal "UH UH".  You're going to have to watch for signs he's going to come over and lift and before he gets that lift you verbally correct.  It eventually will be enough to prevent it.  I know my one dog likes to lift his leg in people's houses where their dogs have peed (can't blame him if it smells like a pee place)... I see the sniff and it's a loud "UH-UH!!!" and he drops his leg and slinks away all guilty.

I'm of the mind that 3 seconds or not, he's getting away with pissing on you if he flounces off.  If it were me, I'd still go and correct him as soon as possible.  You mark that bad behavior with that verbal command then you go and leash him up for a time out.  Taking away his freedom is not a physical punishment, but he doesn't want to be leashed he wants to roam.  You connect that verbal correction, the return to the leash, he'll get it - eventually.

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Some of these stories about people marking are fun to read, but when your dog does these things, the fun stops. I never had this problem with my breeding male, so perhaps this stops when they start breeding? Does anyone know?

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He is eight months and we are not planning on breeding him.  The only reason we are waiting is so he could lose that puppy look.  I had heard, and I dont know if it is true, that if you wait to neuter he will fill out and look more masculine.  My husband wants to wait till 15 months.  I am leaning more to 10 months.  My husband has agreed that if we have problems we could neuter earlier.  My husband talked to a breeder that said 15 months to two years.  

Now the question is, is peeing on people a "problem"?

Sorry for the type-os  I've been typing on an android.

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Here is something I found online by a trainer/author:

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1570

According to an experienced dog owner (not necessarily scientific), marking is fairly common amongst young non-neutered dogs. There are definite health benefits (minor). Not confident about the developmental impact on a dog. And of course, neutering is highly recommended due to the wide epidemic spread of owners who have commitment issues (hence overcrowding at shelters). I digress, but it would appear according to experienced dog owners that your non-neutered lovable companion is more likely to be high maintenance. It's hard not to laugh. Thank god we neutered our boy at the 6th month mark.

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To HarleyBear:

 

Now the question is, is peeing on people a "problem"?

 

Yes, if the marked person has a "Concealed Carry" Permit.

Just a little stab at some humor. I certainly hope we can avoid this behavior with CATO. I know it is only natural for them to mark, but peeing in someone's shoes might do more than raise an eyebrow.

CATO

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@Cato: Lol

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You can bring dogs to work?  Jealous! 

I have nothing to add other than that!

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I would not allow a dog to mark, period.  Once this starts, it's very hard to stop, and neutering will not stop it.  Any time you see your dog about to mark, I would stop him, unless you want him to continue marking.

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@Kevin: How can you tell the difference between that and regular peeing?  He lifts his leg everytime he has to go.  It maybe too late to stop the marking entirely?

@MrsVonD: It is pretty cool, but the dogs have to be well behaved and potty trained.  Harley is not quite at the level where he can come in regularly, he is still too much of a puppy and I wouldn't be able to get any work done.  I bring Ellie in all the time because she can sleep under my desk.

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Friends....all this talk about marking has me concerned for CATO. Should he be altered now as a puppy of ten weeks, or shouold we wait. I will speak to our vet about this issue, but I would also like your opinions.

 

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The earliest I would neuter is 6 months.  Harley didn't start lifting his leg till about 7-8 months. 

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These poor little creatures. First we remove the dew claws and dock the tail. In CATO'S case they left the tail to long, so when he goes in for his ear cropping, we will have his tail redeone. Seems like the first year of their lives they experience lots of pain and all because of our egos to have great looking Dobermans.

I also have two cats, one male the other female and both have had their claws removed from their front paws. Now the vets tell me there is little to no pain today due to high tech laser techniques. Neither have ever shown any signs of discomfort except the male, who walks with a gimp. The vets says this is normal in some cats, but not all. Yes, I did this to save my house and to insure they couldn't claw each other or any other animal in the house. They are strictly indoor cats who view the outback from the glass windows.

Would I do all this again? Yep.

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To each his own, but I am not going to neuter Gideon until he is about a year old or maybe a little more. Mainly so he will fill out more. Certainly your choice, though.

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Has Gideon started any "man-ly" behaviors yet?  I think we have curbed humping out of Harley... with a little work we can work on the marking.

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Ya know....ya gotta ask yourself "What is so attractive about my chins, or calves?" If only those Dobermans could talk.

 

CATO

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Sorry don't have any help but you are not alone my mum and dads boxer peed in someones wellies when they walked him again off leash! At least you will have some funny stories to tell!

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LOL, thats looking at the bright side!  What are wellies?

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HarleyBear....they sound like shoes.

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Ha... you think that with your male dogs you have all the problems... my FEMALE humps and marks. lol. We've tried scolding and time outs... we've almost stopped the marking, but there is no end in sight for the humping. 

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There seems to be something attractive about our shins or lower legs. Of course, humping in the animal world is not an unusual thing. Bovine, equine and I am sure other animals do it as well. It is our insensitivity to it and not their desire to breed with our legs. I have owned or adopted animals all my life and have seen this behavior in all animals, even birds. I suppose if we lived under the seas, we would see it there as well.

Oh well....happy humping!

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Happy Humping indeed. lolz

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Lol wellies are wellington boots I know you have them in America becuase I bought mine in New York!

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LOL....I knew they were a shoe or boot, but I have never, until now, ever heard them called Wellies, and I use to wear such things. Before my diabetes went out of control I wore Justin Ropers which are a low heel western boot ideal for working stock.

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LOL, hate to say it but I call them rainboots!  I just bought my first pair a few weeks ago and they are so warm and comfy cozy! 

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Mine are purple with flowers on! 

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My mother-in-law just gave me a pair for Christmas.  And they match the coat she made for Boomer!  We'll be turning heads.

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We have a very stylish group here!

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Cato is into fashion, so I am sure he will be sporting wellies soon.

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Lol I bought Rolo some booties he wouldn't walk in them just fell over! I took them off I think I will have to try with food. That is so cool I don't think purple would go with rolo BUT I COULD CHANGE THE WELLIES!

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We put booties on Cato's back paws to help with the scratching of the ears. He never needed pain meds, but the itching was enough to cause him to reopen the incision on the left ear. The booties help keep the toenails from making contact.

Poor fella....now he awaits the day when he loses his boys.

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Lol Rolo hasn't got a clue what will hit him! They are coming off asap!