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So i have a gate thats about 4 feet high. It has 4 separate latches. I had 3 latched and a friend dobie has neveq met was on the other side when i let him out to go potty. But he went right through the gate like it wasn't there, didn't break the latches so i am confused by that, since one has a 3 inch metal pin through it. But he went right for my friend and bit him on the leg. I had to chase him down and drag him inside. I pinned him down and yelled at him and left him in the house. Now i don't know how to treat him. He has never come close to getting through the gatd even when people are on the other side. Clearly we need proffessional help, but what do i do as far as letting him know that was unacceptable? I have a shock collar, and i refuse to hit him, he gets all scared and panicky when i even yell at him. He is still an angel with me and a few other people' but he is dangerous to everyone else! I refuse to give him up, he'd be put down for sure, he isn't re-homeable. People are amazed that he is so sweet with paris and i, but beyond that he is a menace.

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how old is he?  Did you not socialize him?  Shock collars are for barking nothing more....what is his background?  And for the record...ANY dog is able to rehomed...depends on the ones trying to do it...what was the friend doing when the attack happened?  Why do you feel the need to keep your baby locked away from others?

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Oh my.  My personal opinion is that if he is that uncontrollable, you really NEED a professional trainer to step into this situation before it gets lots worse.  If you feel that he's truly more than you can handle, please call someone from a Doberman Rescue group to take him, evaluate him and rehome him with an experienced doberman owner.

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I would absolutely get a behaviorist in there.  How was he socialized as a pup, and what training methods do you currently use?  Does he get enough exercise, and a job to do regularly?  What about mental stimulation?

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Clearly you are not meeting the requirements his aggression needs. How badly did he bite your friend? Do you realize if he bites someone severely enough that animal control will become involved? They will force you to get professional help or take the dog. You have limited options here. If he does not have a current rabies vaccine he will be put in 6 months of quarantine at YOUR expense. If he bites a second time he will be euthanized.

You are leaving a loaded gun around your house at all times. It is not the dogs fault it is yours. If you want to keep him stop saying "I need" a trainer and button down and get one. He has only continued to escalate his aggression - as is common - because you are not doing right by him. No one can help you over the Internet you need a specialist in your home working with you.

A shock collar is worthless if you're using it for punishment. It is not designed to do that, though commonly people think it is.

Get a trainer. Not tomorrow, not in a week, today. Otherwise we all will have to hear about when animal control took him away from you.

If you truly love him do the right thing and stop waiting for the next problem to come!!

Eileen,

IMO, you should do as Ziva's Dad said, call a rescue. It's probably his only chance to survive more than his 2 yrs of age. I have read your post and Dobi Gs pet profile. From what I have read, your house is no longer yours, it's Dobie's! He does NOT think of you as his leader, your his subordinate. YOU let this happen! You were too soft with his training and treated him more like "your baby" instead of treating him like a "Dog". I come to this conclusion with your comment about the shock collar," I have a shock collar, and i refuse to hit him". My guess is you also thought the same thing when you used leash corrections, if you used them at all. Dobi's problems are far above your training skills and you wil not be able to learn those skills from this forum and if you go to a "Professional Trainer", Dobi still won't respect YOU!

Do the right thing, call that rescue.

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I agree totally. Sometimes if you really love an animal, you will have to let them go to a situation where they, not you, are better off. Think of him, not yourself.

This however, not what you wanted to hear. You want a magic solution. Well, like the free lunch, no such thing exists. To have a Doberman, you do have to work at it. But you have to be insistent and consistent. He had some baggage when you got him, all rescues do. But, you have apparently allowed him to take over. A Doberman will take over and be the Alpha if you allow them to.

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We went to a trainer w/20 years experience in military bitework/USA, as well as several other areas that indicate he is more than qualified to evaluate Dobie. Turns out he is EXTREMELY scared of things. He actually pee'd on the floor when the trainer touched him to put a better muzzle on him! That has never happened before. He corrected him one time when Dobie tried to get at some other dogs through the chain link fence, and Dobie didn't even try it again, just walked calmly along it with him. He suggested we see our vet about doggy Prozac, at least for the first few months. But Dobie is a smart boy, he thinks he is very fixable. Can't guarantee that he will ever be ok w/everything like Paris  is, but he thinks he can get to a point where we can actually do normal things.

And i don't feel it would be in Dobie's best interest to give him up. he trusts me, and after being abandoned, taken to a shelter, adopted, returned to shelter and finally going home w/me, taking him back would be it as far as him trusting people. Also, I have a contract, so I could only return him to theshelter that i got him from, and I'm sure they would have him put down as soon as he bit someone there. Even if I had to move out to the middle of nowhere to keep Dobie safe and out of trouble, I would. I love my dog! And I do have 12 years experience owning Dobermans, but he is my first male, and first rescue. But he is family, Paris would probably die from a broken heart if he was gone. i would too, i think. I really just asked if I should treat him any differently than normal, like more aloof, etc. after he bit my friend. Didn't ask how to get rid of him. If i thought he was in danger w/me, I would fix it. But he's not. I make sure he never has opportunity to get near strangers or hurt other animals. I'm not careless. I also know my friends are not people that would ever turn him in for anything, because they know we have issues, and how much this dog means to me. But that was the first person I exposed Dobie to that he hasn't met while muzzled and restrained. The fence clearly was not the safety net I expected it be, and now we know better. 

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So you'll be working with the trainer?  Good luck to you and Dobie.

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good for you for going to a professional first of all.  No matter what you did wrong or weren't doing in the past you now have someone that can tell you what you need to do in the future.  Make sure you listen for your dogs sake and for yours.  Your friends might not report him but any stranger would and not allowing your dog near people is no way for you or him to live. 

 

Good luck!

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Dobie had his1st session w/the trainer today. He behaved like a different dog for him, and pretty good for me, too. He says Dobie has got respect for people, he seems to be far less crazy than i gave him credit for.yay!

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That's great!  Keep us updated.