Here comes the DoberTeen antics *sigh*

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Ginger just turned 5months on the 8th, and other than the nibbling on hands, has been a well behaved girl. No chewing on furniture, no kennel destruction...nada. Well she must have gotten a new wind... As of last week, she has promptly chosen to forget her potty training (which was almost flawless), Put her paws on the countertops and most annoying of all..argue -.-

When I tell her no, or give her a light correction, she will wiggle around and bark back at me...almost like a challenge. Also, she has started trying to run off when we go on our daily walks in the dogpark woods (they are fenced, so she cant go far). She has always stayed right beside me, and was very good at recall...now she has gone deaf -.- She doesnt run away from me when I call her or tell her to sit, but she wont come (she wants to go down a different trail).

I have been told by everyone/everything Ive read, to not make it unpleasent when I "catch" her, but I am deffinitely not giving her a treat, and I just clip her leash on, and continue are walk (which she isnt thrilled about...but its nothing to pout about).

 

Nothing has changed as far as rules or training methods.... Is this just a phase?

 

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Buckle yourself down, cos it's a challenge that a lot of dobermans love the taste of, until they figure out that you are STILL the alpha.  It doesn't go away overnight, either.   Time for tough love. LOL

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Everything and everyone is right, you are not supposed to reprimand her at all for it. Instead you are supposed to reward her for coming back to you, no matter if you caught her or she came to you. It teaches the dog that being by you is a good thing, and something that she will want to do if she knows you will be rewarding her.

And for the back talk, Doby Lee started that around 6 months. She is now 3 years and still does it every now and then when she doesn't like what I've told her. Sorry to say but... Get used to it.

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Steve used to be really good at come and then he got his teenage stride and PAH! coming is for those silly little dogs.. not him.  A friend suggested using sardines to encourage him to come as they smell really good to dogs and would be the biggest reward possible.  I haven't used them yet.  I just restricted him to a longer lead and less freedom.  That way I am always in control.  It got old REALLY fast to have to chase him around the dog area at the park.  

What I found interesting the other day was I let the 10 year old I nanny work with Steve on come, lay down, and sit.  He was avid to do all the behaviors for her, even when we were at the park that usually takes all his focus.  But when I tried the "come" I was old news.  Time to work harder for me too!

Just stay on track with it and maybe restrict her to the leash so you can ensure success when she comes.  Also, I don't know if you do it already, but you should work on come and release when she's off leash so she doesn't think every time she comes to you she will be forced to leave.  If you want to reserve treats for when she succeeds on her own thats probably fine, but maybe a big verbal praise even when you catch her will be a good idea.

On the back-talk.  I haven't experienced this with Steve, but who knows when it will come.  His older brother Maynard went into a phase about 6 months to 10 months where he would bark back when told no, glare at his mother, and run around the house like a maniac until he was caught and forced to do what he was reacting against.

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Hahah. Sounds like something I'M going through myself. Ahhhh... Teenage years :'D

I honestly think i'm going through that with Zelda now XD But i doubt it at the same time since she's still so young. And besides, if i'm thinking THAT now, well, i don't even want to know how Zelda will act when she's a doberteen. DDDD: Gotta brace myself for this time period XD

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I am right there with you. We can get through it! 

Laith started jumping on counters, barking at the doors if he hears sounds, (he has been back talking since day 1) and his latest phase is whining in the crate. This morning it was 2:45, 6:00 and 7:45 a.m. He was taken out each time! Grrrr. So I took him to daycare to hopefully let his built up energy out. He is testing my nerves and I didn't want to get mad @ him. :)

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Gingers boyfriend is really testing us latley- counter surfing, back talking, peeing where ever he pleases. Its like he took 5 steps back over the last week... he is lucky he is sooo cute! lol

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Isn't it odd how one day they are angels, know all the rules and follow them, then the next they are total demons?  I stare at Steve and wonder, "Where did my dog go?!"

I notice the biggest difference in his teen tude when he doesn't get his time outside.  Yesterday I was locked on the couch with a cold and fever, so was Eli, and though neither of us like idle time we were forced to do it so we could hopefully get better before the week hit.  Steve was a nut and couldn't stop himself from leaping at the door, screaming like a banshee when he was crated while I took a shower (this is his new favorite thing, the dramatic howling in his crate) and then he just kept sneaking to go and pester Miles in the bedroom or bother Harry.  I was at my wits end with him -- talk about teaching you patience.

I'm still a little too sick to run myself so I think we are going to test our luck with me on a bike and him riding beside me.  If nothing else, this weekend showed me that when school starts, even though I have NO DESIRE to wake up at 5:30am I'm going to have to for his benefit so he can still get his morning run.

You know it's funny though?  I haven't had the motivation to run or work out all that much since school got crazy and got crazy long with a commute.. but ever since Steve has hit 4 months I have been dedicated to his walks/runs.. and my body is showing the benefits, ha! People ask me who I train with, I grin and say, "My 6 month old doberman is the best personal trainer I've ever had!"

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I have also taken up that torch, and decided to start waking up early and taking Ginger on a morning walk/run...it'll be good to work on her leash skills. Puppy classes start on Wednesday so I am hopeful that she will take to them lol. We worked on recall yesterday at the dogpark, she did pretty well since i had treats on me. Everytime she came when I called she got a little nibble of milkbone.

The lapse in potty training is what is driving me mad....Its like she holds it till right after she has gone outside and I walk out of the room for a moment and BAM...puddle. She was doing so well before a couple of weeks ago that we rewarded her by making her kennel bigger...needless to say we've moved it back, lol

 

hmm cisco...maybe you two are in on this together! Driving your parents crazy for fun! talk about teen agnst, lol

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Hey Jess.. so sorry you've been sick.. Take it easy on your bike run with the boy.. Hope you feel better soon.

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I think they text each other lol!

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I think they text each other lol!

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Does your Doberteens whin and cry and bark in the crate lately? He never did this before and out of no where he starts. I mean at 2:45, 5:00, 6:00, 7:45. 10:00 am. He has does this for about three days now and I took him out to pee, then right back in the crate. He is fed at 7:45 a.m. every morning, goes to bed late with us (around midnight). The whinning wants to pull out my hair. 

He loves his crate- he is in it right now sleeping without the door closed. Just wondering if you guys are having the same issue.

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oh yes!!!! And as of tomorrow I am probably going to have 2 doing it lol!

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Don't forget it's the full moon and our kids usually run amok

Sofia was a lunatic last night.. She actually BARKED at Mike to let her out and chase a mouse..

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P.S. She CAUGHT the mouse, tossed it around a while and finally pitched it over the fence.. Came in and glared at Mike, huffed her way into her cocktail shrimp position as if to say:

"I TOLD you so!!"

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I've been thinking about starting a new thread called "I love my doberman (puppy) with my whole being, but sometimes I just want to strangle her because..."  

Ha, seems you've all already started it!

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Kate I love the Sofia pics!! I love that she likes to get all squished.. I thought Steve was the only one.  He insists on cramming into the little dogs bed despite having his own big boy bed.

And yes -- we now throw tantrums when in the crate when before he never cared.  I tried getting him used to being crated more while I was home this last week because he has been spoiled with mom home all month all day long... it's going to be a difficult transition for him when I go back to school.

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I know what  you mean.. Mike has had a two month holiday from school and Sofia has gotten so used to both of us being around ALL the time.. She is sure it's all for her, I know.

Classes start back again on the 31st Poor girl, she'll wonder what happened.

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"Does your Doberteens whin and cry and bark in the crate lately? He never did this before and out of no where he starts. I mean at 2:45, 5:00, 6:00, 7:45. 10:00 am. He has does this for about three days now and I took him out to pee, then right back in the crate. He is fed at 7:45 a.m. every morning, goes to bed late with us (around midnight). The whinning wants to pull out my hair. 

He loves his crate- he is in it right now sleeping without the door closed. Just wondering if you guys are having the same issue."

 

 

Well...its the opposite actually...she used to whine when she had to go potty and I would wake up and let her out, but now she doesnt whine at all...and no matter how many times I get up at night to let her out (with no number two happening)...for the last week I have found poop EVERY morning in her kennel...its so frustrating -.-

 

She started puppy classes last night, and did really well, and I have started walking her every morning, and after work and it has been seeming to help...so I hope that starts tranfering over to all the other problems we've recently been having, lol. Its supposed to get to ten below tonight and stay that way till saturday so I am gonna have one hyper pup on my hands....

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Hey Shiba -- how close are you feeding her to bedtime?  For sanity, you might want to cut her off a few hours before so she has time to get it out of her system before bedtime.  I don't know if that's behavior so much as something's up with her tummy.  She probably doesn't want to lie in that mess either!  Odd that she doesn't wake you up to take her out though.

I know what you mean about a hyper pup.  I went away for 3 days with Eli on his out of town job (I wanted a break from the house, a WEE bit stir crazy at this point) and Eli's sister watched Steve and Harry.  She's a great help to us, but Steve is a bit much for her.  He didn't get his usual runs because I noticed he's favoring his leg a little but I told her she could walk him.  He didn't get walked.  Or if he did, it wasn't enough for him, hah!  When we got home he was bouncing off of walls.  All knowledge of his manners flew out the window.  We bark, we pounce, we jump, we gallop around the house.

My weekend is going to be full of retraining...!

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Oh no! Well at least you had a few days of relaxation to prepare I bet Steve was thrilled to have his running partner back! Its still a balmy -8 here today so I have been online looking for a nice fleece coat with a neck/ear warmer today so we dont have to put our jogs on hold for the cold ^.^

I know what you mean about feeding too close to bed time, but she stays up with us until at least ten or eleven at night and the latest she gets fed is 6 with her being let out right away before bed just in case...so I would hope that would be enough time, but you never know...her stool is solid so I dont think it is upsetting her (she gobbles it down like its goin outta style XD)...but there is hope because....

NO POO THIS MORNING!!! I was elated!

I dont know what I did different, but every night I am going to replicate last nights actions, lol

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Success!!!

I found plenty if awesome dog things on Amazon (and spent to much, lol) so maybe you can look there for her gear? I honestly couldn't imagine living in that level of cold!!

We complain when it's 37 degrees outside... !

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I needed a little rant, Steve is giving me such a headache since I got back from my little trip.  3 days of little to no exercise and he's a demon.  We finally got a good run in yesterday but it still hasn't cut his attitude.  Yesterday was the worse I've ever seen him.  He could not settle himself down.  He was barking, leaping, jumping, arguing, pushing... EVERY button he could for me.  We battled so bad about his attitude on my lunch break I didn't get a chance for lunch!

I don't think he just got no work outs, I think he got to do whatever he wanted, when he wanted.  It just made it very clear that boundaries and structure are SO important.

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Wow what a difference a few days can make...just show him some alpha additude, which im sure you are doing...he'll remember who his mom is and who he better listen to if he knows whats good for him, lol.

Still no running for me and ginger today...still hovering around 0-15 degrees -.- and she hasnt been what I'd call an angel either...But tonight we were working on "watch me" for puppy classes and she was doing amazing!! On the other hand...there was poop this morning in you know who's kennel....baby steps I keep telling myself...baby steps, lol

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This pooping thing of hers really has me stumped.  I just can't figure out why she would keep pooping in her crate.  What type of crate is it?  The wire ones (the type I use) have dividers you can buy to put in them to make them smaller.  Maybe she needs a smaller crate so she literally can't turn around and squat for a poop without laying in it.  But then you'd be cleaning up poop on her AND the crate.. so I don't know if thats worth it.  :/

We still are baying like a banshee.  Yesterday we had sun (again today too, sorry have to brag about CA a little right now!) and we were out doing yard work.  Had Steve tied up on the tree on his long lead because he likes to dig and plant with us (to Eli's delight, my annoyance) and he kept barking and barking and barking.. so I got a squirt bottle and got him in the face twice with a firm, "NO!" and he was so shocked he stared at me.  Turned in a circle, huffed, and flopped down to watch us with aloofness.

Also, the tude seems to have been cut a little just with my routine back into place.  I think next week is going to be the test.  School starts and Steve has to be crated back to his usual 8 hours.  I imagine more "headache" posts in my future... I told Eli I was glad that I can vent here and talk to Steve's brother's parents (brother and sister-in-law) otherwise I'd go nuts dealing with him sometimes.

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The poop has me stumped as well...she KNOWS she shouldnt do it, and since we have towels in there now (instead of her beds...i got tired of wasing them) she actually poos then pushes a towel over it so she doesnt have to lay in it -.- lol. And I dont remember if i said it or not, but she makes it the whole 6 hour day without incident so i know its not a "she cant hold it issue". The one clean day we had did give me hope though, so we will keep working on it hehe

Her "tude" seems to be alot better on the days we work on training and jogging, so hopefully she is over it, but on those long work days and chilly days with no jogging im sure it'll be back and we will have the same headache...*sigh* doberteens...gotta love em

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I think that Jeshykai hit it right when she sugested making the crate smaller with dividers. Smaller space more sense of security also cannot believe that she would lie in her own poop.

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We HAVE a divider and its as small as possible unless I want her to not be able to lay down....we've tried and thought of everything...My trainer suggested getting her a coat so that when she goes outside in the middle of the night she wont be so cold and in such a hurry to get back inside and might do her business...thats my last resort...

 

sorry...not to sound crabby...im just frustrated with the whole situation. She is prgressing so well with everything else...except for this *sigh*.

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So very sorry if I sounded glib, this must be truly awful for you. I get the trainer's reasoning, it is not that she wants to poop in her cage but rather that she doesn't want to poop outside for some reason. Poor puppies, if only they could tell us why/if they are stressed, fingers crossed that the coat works and it is just the cold which is putting her off. Looking back over your posts here I think the freezing cold would put me off too!

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Don't give up hope Shiba!!  I had a rescued 1 year old shepherd mix that I took in to train and rehome from a really awful life spent in kennels.  He was found as a puppy with a broken leg, was crated at a vets the entire healing process, then kenneled at a shelter until he was adopted only to be returned later and kenneled again.  He was the smartest, sweetest, dog I have had the pleasure of working with and he just could NOT get the potty training in his crate.  I'd come home from a day of work only to find poop and pee and a mess of a shepherd... I clogged my apartment bathroom from bathing him so much (haha, whoopsie, know better now to use a fur catch!) It took me 3 months and FINALLY he got it.

I think the coat isn't a bad idea.  I know my short hair dogs always will hold and hold and HOLD their bathroom rather than go out and we don't even get snow here.  Maybe too you can allow her a pee or potty pad in the garage...?  I don't know.

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I am so sorry for all of you out there in the cold..

I make jokes about it and do a nannny nanny nanny to anyone under 50 degrees, but I remember Dallas days.. It would take twenty minutes to get dressed warm enough to brave the cold.. I'd be exhausted just trying to move ( picture that little brother in Christmas Story) I'd be all bundled up like the Michelin Man trying to get in my car, and discovered I forgot to go to go to the bathroom

I HATED the cold.. Still do.. Once the festive holidays are over.. the only thing left is damp and soggy.. icy and raw ( as well as nerves from being sequestered inside for long periods of time)

But I promise you... Spring is just around the corner.. didn't I hear Dabbles say there was a heat wave of 40 degrees on it's way to GA??

Love you all, cranky, fur-eeezing and miserable.. the offer is still on.. come on down to Baja!!

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Well here I was all proud of my little girlie thinking she wasnt peeing in her crate- well today i picked up her blankets and they were dry but i smelled pee really strongly - i picked up her bed and she has somehow firgured out a way to pee under all her bedding- the bottom fo her bed and the crate were soaked in pee! How does she do this?!?!?

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They are smarter than those cute little faces let on, lol. The poo battle rages on -.- She was especially this morning because we went to my cousins bday party last night and she didnt get as much luvin as she usually does so there was poop AND pee in there to welcome me this morning at seven am (dispite waking up at 3 and 5 to let her out).

my fiance suggests that we should try one night without anything in there, so she has nothing to "hide" her mess in. It seems so mean to make her sleep on a hard plastic surface all night and it worries me about her growing joints...but im at my sanity's end...and with no washing machine this changing of the towels every day is getting hard.

Do you think it would hurt her to try for one night?

 

Oh, and jeshkai I dont think I have ever said, but my name is Tasha ^.^

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Tasha~ Raven is peeing in her crate during the day just in the morning... She sleeps thru the night but without fail everyday when I come home at lunch there is a puddle in there- And what she does is move the bedding and pee and then covers it up so it looks like it is dry. I caught on to it in a couple days after the smell gave it away... I am going to leave her in there without anything just for this morning so if she does go she has to lay in it and then she has to get a bath which she hates...

Maybe that association will stop it

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Tasha -- I'm Jess, so nice to know names sorry to keep going "Shiba" lol, but I wanted to direct my comments to you.

Hopefully the blanket out will help.  You could try tossing down puppy pads if you have them to help YOU clean up the mess.  At this point, whatever you can do to make it stop, right?

Hey doesn't Raven sleep with Cisco at night?  Maybe she's following his lead and just sleeping through but on the mornings she's on her own (I'm assuming) so she's not.

These kids!

This week has seemed fairly okay.. thankfully.  Steve seems to have fallen back into the school routine pretty well.  And Eli has picked up for me and started running him on the days I don't come home until 9.  So, good for that too!  

Steve met his first baby yesterday.  I went walking with my friend and her 3 month old son.  My friend fell madly in love with Steve (first time she met him) and she let Steve stick his nose in the stroller to get a whiff of Dylan.  Steve checked him out and then proceeded to really focus on our walk.  Anytime someone came walking towards us he'd start working his way to the front of the stroller and looking important.  We were getting a kick out of him "guarding" the three of us.  :)

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Jess- Thats so cute! Sometimes Raven sleeps w Cisco sometimes not. It depends on who gets sleepy first... If it is Cisco he goes to bed and she follows - if she conks out first we wake her make her go pee and put her in her own crate...

I think her crate is still a wee bit too big for her as well and since she seems to be able to curl herself up to look like min-pin size I have to find another way to make crate smaller- the method i used w/ the kid isnt working for her - she is much more flexable than him!

Good luck Tasha- You will figure it out!!! And Hopefully I will too!

Mandy~ (BTW if you guys didnt know)

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No worries Jess...I just realized when I was making that post that I had never posted my name ^.^

Well there was only pee this morning...so I was a little happier than usual, lol. Its finally warm enough to go on our morning and nightly jogs, so hopefully the routine will snap her out of it...we are planning on giving her a bath for the first time tonight, so maybe I can threaten her with it hehe

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I had no pee today woo hoo! but then daddy was watching and we had an accident in the kitchen... he doesnt get the whole make sure they go while they are outside

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Neither does my fiance...we are in desperate need of "daddy training courses". lol

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We sure do! Josh doesnt get that are puppies and are like babies - He thinks they come home and in 2 days are magically housebroke! And He was married before and has 2 children- soooo you think he would get it yet he doeasnt- Lucky I love him so much!

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Eli and I often argue over the dogs, I swear!

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Eli and I often argue over the dogs, I swear!

If they knew we complain about their ineptness they'd be upset.  And our men on the forum are probably tsk-tsking us ladies for complaining too... ;)

But I often feel like the harder work is left to me and Eli gets all the perks.  I do the discipline, the training, the poop picking up, the bathing.. the vet care... THE EARS.  And Steve sees me and goes "OH NO NOT YOU" and he sees Eli and goes "MY PERSONAL LIVING TOY".

:P

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Rick claims his gag reflex is "too strong" so guess who gets to pick up poop...

And he has severe dog allergies (after living with them he can adapt, Ginger and Dex dont bother him anymore) so when he accompanied me to puppy classes last week, he had an asthma attack, so guess who gets to train?

And since he goes to school early in the mornings guess who gets to take the redhead on a walk... and I always get to be the mean guy and tell her "NO!"

You see a pattern here? hehe

But she wiggles and is so excited when HE comes home...

But its okay because I get my satisfaction when he tells her to do something and she just jumps around and ignores him, and all I have to do is walk over and say it once and she obeys. Thats my girl ^.^ lol

 

(no poo this morning YAY!)

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^^^^ yeah what they said!!!

And definate yay to the NO POO!!! I had no pees again today too!!!! We are getting there!

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Whew...yesterday I had the flu or some bug...I had a temp of 103 and a terrible sore throat. So I just sat around the house all day doing some light cleaning while shivering/sweating to death. Instead of being thier usual rascally selves, Ginge and Dex snuggled on the couch and were obedient and relaxed with me ALL day. No talking back, no counter surfing...nothing. I was expecting them to be monsters because I wasnt able to walk them, but I was so relieved and happy to be able to spend a relaxing day with them. It made me feel like such a proud mom, today I had rick get them some cows feet ^.^ (no poo day no. 2! I think I figured out the trick...if I let her out and she goes potty, I can put her back in her kennel, and ten minutes later let her back out and she will go! breakthrough!)