dobie walk of shame

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i came down to the basement again this morning to find the boys had ripped the couch again....as i mentioned ...i think it is from the frapping....and their nails....not from any malicious chewing....but nonetheless....discipline is in order.....i am pleased to say...in over three years of the two males...i have never had to hit them...though many many times i sure have wanted to beat them within an inch etcetera....anyway...i knew something wa up as soon as i saw them....slinky and slinkier....they followed downstairs....so i took a piece of filling to their noses...and did my yelling bad boyz routine.....slink slink slink....my question is this.....are they slinking around in shame because they realize i am angry/dissapointed....,no matter what the deed????.....or do they realize its the couch that is the problem....i am thinnking i am fortunate that voice alone is enough to back the boyz up...i don't have to wonder what would happen if they ever decided to discipline me....lol.....i have swatted the snout a couple of times....usually with the item of wrongness....but they seem to know right away....and even pre- broadcast the fact they have been imperfect.....i have always discipined both for every transgression....unless i catch one in the act.....after the verbals...and being told to leave the area...it seems the innocent one likes to take it out on the guilty....it SEEMS like they show me who did the act....since the agressor in this instance is un-predictable....craziness....what do you think????

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yelling after the fact does zero except make your dogs scared of you... If you don't catch them in the act, it's too late to do anything worthwhile.   Majority of your post is pretty disturbing to me...  Instead of blaming the dogs, maybe you need to keep a better eye on them?

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I have always heard the saying that dogs don't know what they are doing is wrong and that discipline after the fact does nothing - just makes them scared as Kevin has stated...

I will say this with my Akita, Wyatt... He was not crated and I for the most part was a pretty good boy- He would do bad things (eat bread off the counter, chew shoes, etc.) when I was gone IF I left them out to be had. (my fault) Doesn't stop you from being mad and wanting to discipline, understandable... You would discipline your child if you catch them after the fact. That being said... Wyatt always gave himself away because if he did something he shouldn't have he would be waiting at the door when I got home. head tucked, sad faced and whining. I would say what did you do? in a stern voice and he would take me right to the scene of the crime. I wouldnt hit or scream at him. I would just pick up chewed item or whatever it was and show him and say NO NO BAD BOY!

He would be on best behaviour for a few days, weeks, I could leave things out and it was like he knew not to do it. Then he would do it again.

So it just got to the point I had to make sure I didnt leave things for him to destroy and if I did shame on me! My fault not his...

If you don't want them to eat the couch or whatever they are doing and you can't watch them, they either need to be crated or maybe invest in scat mats- I used that w/ my dogs when I don't want them on furniture... Its a little zap and after once or twice they seem to know that they arent supposed to go there...

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They are slinking around because they know you are mad but they don't understand why really.  By grabbing a piece of furniture and shaking it at them while you yell they are just scared and think you're going to hit them with it.  They dont understand.....

 

You're fault - keep a better eye on them or crate them,  it's not the dogs fault when something gets chewed it's the owners.  It's happened to us all, trust me.  I have 2 couch cusions that won't ever be the same again but I left him out unsupervised and he got bored. 

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sorry if i offend any other owners....but all the dogs i have had have learned my tones...and yelling is a loose term...not screaming.....and while i crate trained them as pups...i have never owned a dog that required crating as an adult...and been through cockers shepard and rotties....all of my dogs have been part of my home protection plan....even the barking cockers....and i have always thought of coming home to find a note saying "thanks you for locking up your dog...sorry you will not be wathcning tv tonight"....i believe  the dog of any breed should have the house...i hate to see dogs crated all day becasue the owners are at work...or even crating all night....kevin...i will take the responsibility....it is my fault for trusting them...i know they wrassle all the time....and if i am not there to correct them...it will turn into a full roll....cisco and kate...thanks....they do seem to go a while after something gets wrecked....maybe sometimes we...I...thinnk they are too human.....they are simply reacting to my being upset.....i guess i hope they will put two and two together if i have them sniff the stuffing that got ripped....but i don't think a dog should get a free pass on anything they do and don't get caught in the act....its better...but not always required...i will not withhold though....weree off to the field...i thinking we all need a run...

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loungepup--I yell at my dogs when they do bad things....but I come from an entire family (inlaws included) of "yellers"....not screaming and ranting and throwing things, but a good loud "HEY! STOP THAT!" is in my daily vocabulary.  LOL

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thanks zivas dad....say hello to a solid irish catholic upbringing...the dogs were'nt the only ones getting yelled at.....the boys just ran for about 10 miles or so....time for a nap in the sunbeam...and we'll start over again....i had to move them off my bed about a year ago......i dont want to take them off the basement furniture but it may well be the next step....and kevins disaproval borought another question to mind?????.....in the pack...does fear equate in the alpha role?....lol...maybe that's a good question for the dog whisperer....

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loungepup- hope you didnt take offense - I come from greek and irish catholic household - YIKES! So yelling is not a no=no to me :)

I yell at my pups don't get me wrong... I just try not to after the fact if I don't catch them~ Though like i said w. wyatt - he knew he was bad~

Those scatmats were a savior with him and his obsession with bread and hiding it in the couch for me to find later-

Good luck ~

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Some dogs just never stop acting out when you're gone.  Its less danger to them to have them crated.  Some dogs, especially, destroy out of pure anxiety.  Do you want to leave them in such a state when you go?  I think it'd be better to keep them in a calm place (ie: a crate) so they always have a calm state of mind when you're gone (there's my Mr. Milan quote for the day).

Crate is not solely puppy training, its training in general.  I still crate my 12 year old pom, who at best would pee on things when I'm gone, even with a diaper on I just think he's better in his crate with his bed, water, and a toy.

Steve most likely will never be allowed out of his crate when I'm gone during the day.  He doesn't know how to settle himself down at all and will push past exhaustion on a daily basis and have total antics because of it.  I don't want to come home to garbage strewn all over my house, my couch torn up, another window broken or any other things.  

I think there is a difference in yelling (I'm from a loud family and I am known to yell) and beating or being aggressive.  The point being, when you find something they did wrong and it makes you feel better to tell them, "BAD DOG", idk - I guess go for it.  But the point is they look at you and go, "WTH did I do?" they slink down because of that tone.  It is only implemented discipline when you do catch them right in the act.

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hey ..no offense at all......I.... am the mick here.....lol...the boys are sleeping peacefully now....when they wake up...we start all over again...puttin blankets back on the couch...should i let them back on it or not.....hmmmm..whatever i do....i cannot be wishy washy and change it back tomorrow....if i decide to not let them up...a simple stttssttt noise will stop them in their tracks

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Well put Jes-

That is why i try not to "discipline" if not caught in the act. but sometimes its so damn hard to find something they did and not "vent" so to speak....

Cisco looks at me like WTH? did i do even when he is caught... Raven all I have to do is say no no rave and she stops whatever she is doing and comes right over for lovins - Cisco will continue on with what he is doing until i get in his face with the mean mommy glare- he will never be uncrated as well... so raven in turn will always be crated - but they love it in them so I don't feel bad about it...

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I walked out to the livingroom the other day, and Fancy had gotten ahold of one of my daughter's shoes.  She saw me come in, gave that "Oh crap, busted!" look, then actually tried to hide it underneath her!  Oh yeah, she knew it was wrong.  LOL

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I personally don't think Steve gives a care if he does something wrong or not.  His new favorite game is "catch me if you can" and he starts it for absurd reasons.  Last time I checked it wasn't traumatic to be put outside to PEE but boy Steve looks at me like, "PFFT YEAH RIGHT!" and jets around the house.

When I do catch him at something (he finally figured out he could leap on the counter and reach delicious items like chicken salad) and punish him I swear he thinks, "If I just freeze and get punished I can then proceed to do it again within 5 seconds of her leaving".

Now, if I so much as look at Miles wrong, he's tail-tucked and wide-eyed with the "oooooooooooh nooooooo!" and my discipline style has NOT changed in 7 years!! If anything I'm harder on Steve than I was on Miles!

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I live in a house FUUULLLL of yellers... Irish and Scottish blood. Mwahahahahahaha!! :P

Skye slinks when she knows she's in trouble too. She knows what she did wrong because she will bring the "dead" sock or panties to me... set them on my lap... and put her head there too and cry.

It kinda makes me sad that my big baby knows when she's gonna be in trouble... and feels the need to diffuse the situation... does this say something about my "Parenting"?

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Awww Jes Catch Me if You Can has become a bedtime staple at my house! Cisco grabs something he isnt supposed to have and runs in a circle around the recliner until I finally catch him then he lays down drops what he has and runs off to bed...

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All my Dobies have started life crated.....and eventually all could be left free around the house.I think because the breed is so intelligent and full of energy they just can't help themselves when left alone.

@ Jes and Cisco,I'll bet Steve and Cisco one day will settle down and you'll be able to leave them out.My Zoe was the worst one of my three adults and I thought for sure she would never be trusted, but at 5 years old(the oldest to be freed) she has had full rome of the house all the time.She still has her crate but I never close the door anymore.She is now 8 and I've never had an issue with it.I probably could have let her free sooner but she was so bad I wanted to be sure.Steve sounds just like my Brody with the `Catch me if you can` game.Especially outside when it's time to come in.

 

 As far as yelling...I find that I get the same result with a sharp look and taking away whatever he has stolen, which he seems to already know is wrong.If I find him chewing a shoe he gets all nervous,but if I find him chewing one of his toys he doesn't pay any mind to me......Sometimes I would just love to know EXACTLY what's going on in their minds......Eventually though,they just seem to understand exactly how we want them to behave. 

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Ziva always has had free run of the house.  There is someone home with her 99% of the time, and when she was really young, we did suffer some minor damages, but nothing irreplacable. Now that she has crossed that first birthday mark, we totally trust her at home with the other dogs any time we have to be gone for an hour or two.  I am quite sure all she does is sleep till we get back home.

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I think it depends on the dog.  Ziva showed she's a good girl, Steve has shown me he's a naughty little monster!

Patriot -- I think you're right and I'm hoping he doesn't have to go long, but we'll see.  He's also a nosy dog and constantly bothers Harry's space (even when Harry is crated and we're hanging in the living room, Steve insists on stomping in to pester him in the kitchen) and it'd be unfair to the other two to have Steve pushing them around.  We will see!!

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great food for thought everyone....thanks....the thing  here is it is not chewing or bad behaviour.....this is a direct result of the nails....when they get into a dobe tussle on a piece of furniture.... ....i am able to prevent it when someone is around.....but they had gone months without doing any damage when left alone in the daytime or at night....the good news...we're all friends again...going back out to the field....a runnin dobe is a happy dobe...

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Yelling isn't an issue, heck Tye will scream at Call of Duty like mad-man some nights, I swear the neighbors probably thinks he beats both me and the dog.   But much dicipline other than a 'what did you do? and a look doesn't mean anything later is all we meant. 

 

As for their nails - have you tried using a dremel?  if they are kept short enough they shouldn't tear up the furniture too bad.