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Dakota has developed a BAD biting problem. when she was younger and would bite we would give her a chew toy because she could bite it all she wanted. Once her a Phoenix started to open up to each other Dakota started to get more violent. she will play with you and not bite then she just randomly bites you. We tried to tell her no... and i read that grabbing the back of their neck and saying no lets her know you are the boss... well it doesn't work. lol then we tried the flicking the nose she will bite you when you do that and same if you swat her behind or her nose. Any ideas? she's a sweetheart when she wants to be but she just doesn't want to listen.

 

Also... most nights we let her and the mastiff sleep in the bed with us... but some nights you know we want "mommy daddy time" lol so we put them in their kennel. But dakota does this obnixious whine and bark and growl in one so loud our neighbors wake up and yell at us. My husband got her one of those vibrating colars that warns her when she barks. I didn't like it because i thought it shocked till it got me and it tickled. but it scares her. I dont want to baby her... and everytime she whines i let her get her way... but she does it when she's outside. i understand when it's cold but it can be warm out and she will pee poop and then scratch the door and whine till we let her in. Any advice??

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With Skye, we took advice from someone on this forum and grabbed her snout, not hard, and told her NO BITE.

Now she doesn't bite as hard. She has learned her limits. I suggest this, or, if she's biting your hands, stick your finger farther back into her mouth... not so that she chokes, but only enough to make it uncomfortable. She'll start to learn that your hand isn't somthing she wants to have in her mouth. These are just a few of the things we tries and the only ones that worked.  

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Cisco has his moments of play bite or just doberteen alpha attempts.  Isay no bite and I make my hand into a L shape and push it in his mouth like WG says and he stops...

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When Ziva was under 3 months old, she occasionally would start to play a little too hard using her teeth, and we would always stop her the instant she did it with a loud firm NO! If she decided to lick my hand instead of bite, or softly mouth, just barely making contact with her teeth, she would get all sorts of praise and affection.  She grew up knowing the difference, and has never bitten hard.  Dober pups can be taught the difference in what's acceptable behavior and what is not acceptable....it sometimes takes a good imagination to find what breaks through to them, though.

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Try giving her time in the crate to sleep more - and she will learn to calmly settle down in there.  Not just when you want the bed to yourself! It will help with the whining.  She's howling and throwing a tantrum because she isn't getting her way and she isn't comfortable sleeping away from you... so start working with her getting used to it more and more.  

In my opinion, if she can't go between the two, she stays in the crate.  This may also help remind her that you are the boss and she won't test you so much because she won't think herself your equal (which can happen when a dog sleeps in bed).

When Steve was mouthy, I'd do the above mentioned.  You want to make sure they think you are NOT a chew toy.  For Steve, the only thing that worked was grabbing on when he bit down and squeezing back.  He didn't like the attacking "toy" then.

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Like Jeshykai said, she needs to spend more time sleeping in her crate.  I would put her in there every night for at least a couple months until she accepts that ok, this is my bed.  THEN you can let her sleep with you when you want and it won't be an issue when she does sleep in her crate. 

For the biting, what worked well for me was to grab Dakota's lower jaw while my hand was in her mouth (firmly, enough to make it uncomfortable without hurting her) and said NO in a stern voice.  If she nipped me during play I just stopped in my tracks and said OUCH!  which got her attention and made her stop dead as well.  I personally think it's good to teach your dog to have a soft mouth, rather than teaching them not to mouth at all.  I find Dakota is really mouthy anyways as it is an exploratory thing for her.  This way she knows to be gentle when her teeth are in contact with human skin, whether it is during play, giving her a treat, checking or brushing her teeth, etc. 

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We also do the OUCH. She stops and licks my hand as if to say "I make it better." Her face is so cute because her little ears come up and she cocks her head at me, then starts the licking.  

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She is in her crate from 0800 till 1130 and then 1 till 4 then at night till 5 in the morning. She just hates being away from us and Phoenix. Plus the cat sits infront of her kennel and picks on her. he taunts her big time!! yesterday she did alright with the not biting, but my husband let her sleep in our bed again :\ but she did almost bite my fingers when i went to give her dinner. On thursdays we give them dog food eggs and browned hamburger apples and other fruit. our mastiff needs it because of the diet she has to be on for protein. But anyways i went to set it down and she acted like she never ate before. Should i start feeding her more? She wont eat her dog food... she will eat the other dog's dog food lol. but when she gets the protein treat ment on thursdays she will eat her own food. but just not regular dog food. and we feed them the same stuff. Quirky things my dog does

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Maybe try to start teaching her to sit and wait for her food, it helps so much to reinforce that YOU are alpha, and its a nice starting point for training. I'm glad to hear she is doing better with the nipping, it seemed like it took forever for us to find what worked for Ginger.

Nose flicks, taps on the rear, toys in the mouth...nothing worked until someone on the site suggested wrapping our hand around her muzzle and just squeezing her lips against her teeth a little bit (just enough to be uncomfortable) and she stopped biting almost overnight. Hang in there with the crate training...there were so many times i wanted to bring our little red head into bed with us (still do sometimes) but she loves her kennel now, and im sure your doberkid will too ^.^

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Well i tried the wrapping my hand aruond her mouth. She did not like it. She sat down when i did it and then pawed my hands away and growled at me. I think she is mad at me because i dont let her sit next to my husband lol. but she is now a magician because she some how go OUT of her kennel!!!!! I came home last night was going to let them out and set up for my little anniversary/valentine's day dinner and DAKOTA WAS OUT OF HER KENNEL!! She peed on the stairs chewed up the couch and my husbands hat and part of my uniform (which isn't cheap) ohhhhhh i was just soooo mad. i let them outside and did not let them in or give them attention until like an hour later. I was so upset. So I think what we are going to do is give them a play area for when we are at work... and keep them there at night as well. They slept on the floor... somehow i did not wake up with the HUGE moose of a mastiff came into the bed. But Dakota knew better and stayed on the floor. for every bad there isa  good with that dog.

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Hi there Dakotadobe.  It sounds like you have you hands full.  Our pups are certainly a challenge to our patience aren't they? 

There are a few things that are concerning me that I would like to comment on.  The first thing is the feeding.  You said that they ate the same thing and that she goes after the protein diet, and she eats like she never has eaten before.  That's your cue.  She should be on a puppy food and maybe more food too. I noticed with Fancy, just like kids, that the food intake comes along with a growth spurt.  Sometimes she barely finishes twice a day feeding, sometimes she'll get a third feeding if she's looking around and goes back to her food dish looking for food.  She has never been a chow hound tho and doesn't dive into her food like a maniac like some dogs do, so when she's looking, she's hungry.

Also, you may have to feed them in separate places as their diets are different.  I know it's a pain ( I have 3 dogs on 3 different foods) but it may cut down on the food aggression.  You go in the room with her and her dish, make her sit, and WAIT while you put the food down, then release with an OK and let her eat.  Also what may help as far as her aggression is that she never eats before you do.  It goes back to the Alpha thing, you must establish yourself with her.  The growling and biting you is worrisome.  Good luck and keep us posted.

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We had her on almost every type of puppy food. because our mastiff is only a year old and our vet said to keep her on it for a while longer. so it's the same food... except on thursday. She only gets fruit some veggies and a little cooked meat. We use (it sounds so redneck) Pig feeders because dogs we had before would throw their food around. So the feeders connect to the cage and we just hand dump food in. She wont touch her food because all the food we use to give her (Puppy food) made her sick. And the stuff we gave our mastiff didn't. So no matter what we try she wont touch her food. Our cat is the same way... he will eat the dog food and try to eat our food but not his. lol. When we go to work we always fill their food all the way... but Dakota... she wont touch it and we wont have to deal with it for almost a week if we left it there. I dont like left overs so i wont leave t in there lol. Like today durring lunch i came home had the dogs out... dakota was in Phoenix's kennel eating her food and Phoenix was in Dakota's kennel eating her food and the cat went between the two. And when I took them outside they went potty and i went to give them a treat and dakota almost took my finger with her. She just ate a hugeeeeee bowl of dog food by herself... the size of bowl and horse could eat out of. Then she took it like she never had food.

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Growling is the warning, the next time it could be much worse.  You need to establish yourself as the Alpha immediately and enforce some boundaries.   NO more bed....no more couch, keep her lower than you and look down at her.  Stand in front of her and walk at her, does she move or do you?  

 

Make her sit before eating and not move until you say ok,  etc.  don't let her walk through the doorways first...all of these things enforce the Alpha role which sounds like it's needed right now.  

 

I'm a firm believer in the simple fact that your dog should NEVER growl at you for any reason!

 

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ditto. growling is never acceptable...ever

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Well we have finally gotten her to sit and stay before we let her outside or inside. She has gotten much better. But now our mastiff is in heat so she's running around with underwear on Litterally. And last night we had them in the room and Dakota whined till my husband broke down and let her on the bed. The Phoenix got blood on the floor i guess we need depends lol. So he said we were keeping them outside durring the day for the next week depending on the heat and in the kennel at night when we go to bed. I was fine with it untill this morning when I came home to shower and get ready for work and Dakota was freaking out. So i turned on the no bark thing we have by her cage and she out smarted it and is now whining and a low growl... almost like a painful moaning. I looked her over and she was all excited so i know she was messing with me. I tried the stern NO and i tried holding her muzzle like everyone said... no luck! And this afternoon she was scratching the door when i had to come home for 5 minutes to change and grab my lunch to take to work. i went out to make sure there was water and shade and her chair was in the shade so I dont know what her deal is lately. But i did start saying Ouch when she bites and she sits down and licks that spot and my face. then she puts her paw out to shake :) From the other dogs we had if we yelled they laid on their back and whined letting us know they understand what they did was wrong and hardly ever did it again. But Dakota... nope. she only does it when she bites... which i am thankful for!! but on another Plus for Dakota... we had to small dogs and she was very nice and careful with them. She was scared of one lol. it was cute. I just wish she would be careful with me. haha. One step at a time. But i really really really really need help with the whining/moaning at night VERY LOUD! One night some guy a road across from me knocked on my door asking if i was beating me dog because she is that loud and wont stop till she comes up stairs. She has big time seperation issues

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Hi Dakota,  I have been researching mouthing/biting and found 2 good articles on it, one is on biting other one is Alpha exercise.

Here are the links:

http://thefamilydoberman.com/puppy_mouthingbiting

http://thefamilydoberman.com/the_alpha_factor

On these forums someone said, to make sure you walk through the door first, and do not let pup sleep in your bed.

I am starting Blade in puppy obedience classes Monday. I am so excited! We are blessed to have a good dog training school 15 min away from us, they use praise and clicker method.

I also go me the book that someone suggested in these forums The FOCUSED Puppy, and am looking forward to reading it. We had Blade just 5 days, and his biting/mouthing will not be tolerated.

Are you playing tug-o-war with your pup? It's a no no, from what I read.

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Well i talked to a dog trained last week, she said as long as WE ask her to play it was ok. but having her run up to us asking to play was not ok. She watched us play and said Kota didn't show any signs of wanting to be Alpha. And I found out her snipping at us was because of some infection causing her to be a "Jerk" towards me my husband my cat and Phoenix. once she got put on medication she has been tons better. back to the Kota i first had :) She has learned not to lay in bed with us unless we ask her. but the trainer noticed that she likes to sit on us and explained it was because she has seperation anxiety :\ We showed the trainer how she acts when we crate her or make her sleep on the bed. We were told that by allowing her to do it the day we got her (because she was sick) that i showed her I was her "mom" because i took care of her and made sure she was warm and felt better. So she now thinks she needs to be by her Mom at all times. I didn't believe him until i met Salde! he was a bad bad dog lol. he knew tricks but wouldn't do it unless you gave him a treat before hand. And he would not walk nice for you at all. He was just evil lol. So after spending a few minutes with him and then Dakota I noticed a huge difference. Dakota loves to listen, she just has so much energy that she gets over excited and he said it might take a while for her to learn to control her energy. I don't have to give her treats before or after, just a hug and she is happy. He said Dakota was a very happy puppy ready to learn more. So I am excited.

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We started with treats and slowly weaned her off them... now a pat on the head or a ear scritch will do for her. Skye has slept with me from day one and she has never shown aggression towards me.

What kind of infection????? If it's causing her to be a "jerk", then it had to have hurt her a lot. The energy isn't very easily controlled. Just remember... a tired dog is a good dog... lolz