Apollo and the new pupp

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So Apollo and the new pup are doing very well together. They play, walk and even drink out of the same water bowl and there is no agression. They do play kind of rough together but I just keep a close eye on them and seperate them when it gets out of hand (usually the small one gets more carried away, he is a male mini schnauzer).

One thing I noticed is whenever the new pup, Peanut, goes into a room he is not allowed in (out of bounds), Apollo snatches him up from the neck and pulls him out. Is this normal? Is this Apollo correcting him or is it jealousy?

Last thing, any information you all can help me with about getting them closer as a pack will be great!

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I wish I had some encouraging words for you re: Peanut.

If I were you, I would seek out a behavior specialist as soon as possible. I don't think Apollo is trying to "train" Peanut" I think he's beginning to display early dominance..and his very normal Doberman male on male aggression. He's still very young for this.. so you might have a chance to stop it before it becomes a problem

I'm not saying this is for SURE.. I'm not there, I'm not a trainer and I don't have male dogs.. so  it's just my 2 cents worth. Good luck and let us know more

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I wouldn't allow Apollo to do any form of correction on the puppy. I myself am on the same boat. My father now has a mini schnauzer who is male and with his crazy work schedule has asked me to take him on while he is away thus making it so I now watch not only his boy, but my own who will be hitting 8 months and a whooping 65 lbs. It is definately a challenge watching them both especially when watching for those subtle things that need correcting. They will feed off of each other both behavior wise and energy wise just a heads up. The mini schnauzer hates when Magnum gets a sudden burst of energy and goes to burn it off by running around the backyard, thus making magnum want to burst more energy to annoy him. The mini schnauzer shows his annoyance through barking. So we correct that by grabbing the mini and laying him down. Magnum does things now he knows he wont get away with that he sees the mini gets corrected for right in front of him. Training is continueing seperated from one another and they both have seperate training classes they are attending. Always in the back of my mind I am aware there could be a scuffle I hope it NEVER happens seeing the size difference of the two. If there ever was a scuffle it would be easy to keep the two seperate though since each would still have their own homes.

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Dobie,

Sounds a lot like Peanut and Apollo except when Apollo starts his running, Peanut usually just lays down and enjoys the grass. Apollo seems very calm when around him, but I can tell he gets irritated when the puppy starts to poke at him (and who wouldn't). I do exactly what you said and hold the pup down so he knows he was wrong. I'll continue working on this, it seems like they don't mind each other at all but I just don't trust the little guy, he's a sneaky little thing.

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Yeah most wouldn't want another poking at them especially with major age differences. My older female hated when Magnum poked at her to the point she would bare her teeth to send the don't bother me message. It seems like Magnum doesn't mind when the pup pokes at him because Magnum still has his own puppy antics going on. When the pup wants to play he is ready to play right along with him no hesitation. Magnum is gentle with the pup but when they both get to play biting each other play time ends with time out. Schnauzers definately are sneaky and stubborn with teaching new concepts or maybe they just don't catch on as fast as a doberman. One minute they are good the next they are chewing on your sock.

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Dobie_Love and EP:

There are pros and cons re: forced submission..(ie. holding the dog down)  Mostly cons.. Hope you read a bit more on it or check with your trainer. It can be counter-productive in training.

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You might think that Apollo is correcting the puppy by grabbing him on the back of the neck, but "it aint necessarily so".  Grabbing by the back of the neck is definitely a dominance thing, and as Apollo gets bigger, stronger, and more self-confidence, he might start to play rougher with your little guy just becasue that's what dobies DO.  One bite too hard to the little one, even in play, can cause your new puppy to react with a snap or a growl, just trying to let Apollo know "THAT'S ENOUGH!" but the doberman usually sees a snap as a challenge, and then it's turning into a fight in a nano-second.  Stop any rough house play between the two of them NOW.  They can learn to play gently together. Keep a very close eye on them while playing together always.  I have dobermans and little dogs, and I occasionally have to stop a fight between my biggest dobe and my most feisty terrier.  Not something I like to do, and I'm only trying to help you from my own experience with big and little dogs.

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Not that we're trying to mix dogs in our house, but I thought I'd mention here about our experience with all different sized dogs on Saturday.  Without exception, all the bigger dogs were friendly, but there were a number of smaller ones with bad attitudes who were actively 'going for' some of the others, Monty included.  Whilst all the bigger dogs more or less took the abuse without retaliating, the smaller ones were happy to have a go back!