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I cant wait to get my puppy in July!!

Anyways, ive just been thinking. Im going to crate train my puppy and have his own bed by mine but have also been thinking I dont mind if my puppy when fully grown sleeps on my own bed. I know I will train him to the best of our abilities and if I need him off the bed I will say so and hopefully he will obey without a grudge.

Does anyone think this is wrong? or bad training? Sheesh I'll even let him sit on the couch with me. In my house he'll be part of the family so I dont see a big deal I suppose.

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Wow. Do I have a story for you... A few months ago we took Sofia in for her teeth cleaning, nail trimming and bath. A full day at the spa as they do put the girls to sleep whilst cleaning the teeth. Picked her up around three and the girl was stoned.. BLIND DRUNK.. she wobbled inside and curled up like a cocktail shrimp on her own bed as she was too toasted to get up on the sofa. Little by little she came out of it and when my husband got home, he felt sorry for his baby and invited her to sleep with us. ( The girl just had too many martinis at the spa and was woozy, that's all..  but I digress.)
Sofia did jump up on the bed and like a perfect little lady curled up at the foot.. all was well til around three in the morning, when I found myself hugging the very edge of my side and Mike doing the same on his own side. Sofia was sprawled kitty corner snoring like a freight train. "Okay,. so this wasnt' a good idea" huffed Mike as he took pillows and comforter down to the sofa leaving me with 90 pounds of hung over doberdiva.
" Come on Sofia, off" "
"That's a good girl, mommy has a liver treat for you."
"DOWN"
( she's playing dead with her eyes scrinched up as tight as she could get them)
" SOFIA OFF THE BED RIGHT NOW AND I REALLY MEAN IT"
I was ignored.. Got on the side and tipped the mattress to kind of let her slide off.. she clutched the edges with her newly manicured nails and hung on with all her might. Finally got her off and as she stood blinking at me ( Sofia blinks like a cat) I said.. "There that wasn't so bad was it?"
Within a split second she was back on the bed.. back to her "dead dog act" ( Got her a treat last time) So form your own conclusions as to inviting your puppy to sleep with you..
I am hoping rgreen will share his "bedtime" story

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When I got my first two, the first a black and rust female who was 4 months old, and later a new 8 week old red male, I let them sleep on the bed. BIG MISTAKE. It took me almost 12 years to get my bed free of Dobies (when I lost my buddy Hans at the age of 11 1/2). Except for the first two, I have never let another one on the bed.

Once you cross that threshold, there is not going back.

Besides, there is another reason you never want to do that. In the canine world the Alpha sleeps in the best location and the others sleep where they can. You MUST be the Alpha, and thus allowing your Dobie on the be would elevate him to your level, and will make training and control a little more difficult.

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Lol...my dog is 35kg...thats a lot of dog moving around...especially when they are sleep running and talking ;D ;D

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We go with a simple rule of thumb.  If you don't want a 90lb dog doing it,  then you don't let him do it as a puppy either.  It's much much harder to stop something they are used to doing than to train them not to do it in the first place...

You may think it's 'cute' now but it won't be so cute with a 3rd person in bed every night because that's about how much room he will take.  Our pup is now 13 weeks old and has never been on any furniture nor allowed to 'paw' or jump up on people and he doesn't even try anymore.  He sleeps right beside the bed on his bed and is  perfectly happy doing so. 

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How old are they before you can even trust them to not have an accident, and not be kept inside a crate? Buddy is 4 1/2 months, and does sleep through the night accident free (in his crate) so long as he goes potty at 11pm& 6am. I'd love to start training him to sleep in a bed,in my room,but am afradi he'd get up in the middle of the night to pee or poop "just because he can" since he is not housebroken to go SIGNAL (sitting,barking,etc..) at the door that he has to go.

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The key is they way Buddy signals you when together in the evening. Red just comes over and sits looking at me. Princess comes over and lays her head on my knee and rolls her eyes up to look at me. I know they want something, but not exactly what. I used to have one female that hat the run of the house, and she would come in the bedroom and poke me in the ribs with her nose.

If you can train Buddy to speak, that will help, for then when you take him to the door, you can get him to speak to go out. I have just not been able to get any of mine to speak on demand. The Schnauzers, now, that another story, they speak and speak and speak and speak and speak. :o

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The main point that has already been given is that the Alpha sleeps in the best spot, and in a house the best spot is the bed.  So if you let your dog sleep in the bed, your dog thinks it's the alpha dog, which will most likely lead to problems.  You will learn quickly that dogs don't understand "sometimes".  If you allow it to think it is alpha, then it is alpha all the time, and you will soon be making a new post called "My dog won't listen, and acts aggressively towards me... what can i do"  

My fiance said the same thing you did, I want her to sleep in bed with us.  Believe me, Dakota is adorable, and I'd also love for her to sleep in bed with us, but it will confuse the dog, and in the long run you'll be much happier that you didn't let her sleep in the bed.  You have to think about what's the best for the dog, at all times.  I would recommend doing alot of research before making your decision to bring a doberman into the family, it will be well worth the time you spend.

It's ok for the dog to be part of the family, but it has to know it's place, which is BELOW the humans... Not equal, or above the humans.  In the dog world, the alpha calls the shots, all the time.  It makes the rules, and disciplines the other "family members".  So, either you can be the alpha, all the time, and have an obedient, well behaved dog, or you can let the dog be the alpha, and it will be unruly, disobedient, and most likely aggressive towards you and others.  In this case, it would not mean that the dog does not love you, but if you don't set the rules, the dog will, and if the dog sets the rules you will be expected to follow them, just like you would expect a dog to follow your rules.

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Kevin, that's true for puppies, and many adult dogs or dogs being introduced to a home - and for that matter good advice for anyone interested in a Doberman or other working breed. But once a dogs is properly trained, and knows - and is comfortable with - its role in the home, getting in bed is ok.

Of course, at this point the dog is most likely older, no longer a puppy. And its only ok if the dog approaches the bed with the proper attitude. For example, if you find your dog in bed displaying a submissive posture, and he happily jumps down as soon as you tell him - that's healthy.

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Alpha, good to know, thanks for your post!