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We've been posting Dallas' ears for what seems like forever but after looking at the calendar it's been about 6weeks.  His right ear is standing beautifully but the left is being stubborn.  I saw a few post about posting just the one ear which I did today. I'm wondering if it will still stand properly since there is no bridge connecting it to the other ear to keep it upright.  Should I still post both of them?

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Does Dallas hold that ear up at all? My youngest Doberman holds one ear up all the time and both up when playing. I think it is just the personality of the dog. I know for some it does matter because of showing them but, I don't show my babies.

You do not have to bridge both ears to make them stand. It really depends on if you have a pocket in that ear or not how you need to wrap. How old is Dallas? Is their a way you post a picture of the ear. Depending on exactly what is going on you might not have to wrap the entire ear. Lots of ways to correct ear problems without the entire ear being wrapped.

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Sage's right ear was stubborn, too. I kept posting both ears. With them being so big, and long [show cut] the posted right ear would just fall without a bridge to the left ear. This is my third Dobe [first male] but was told for the first time the ears will stand once he has a full set of adult teeth. Well, coincidence, or not, that right ear started standing at attention with the left one once his chompers came-in.

trajuette; good luck & keep us posted [LOL, pun fits].    

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The timing of the standing may be more coincidental than connected. Most puppies have their ears cropped at 12 weeks and they loose their puppy needles (no one would call those sharp things teeth) and get their adult teeth starting at 16 weeks. Most Dobies require 4 to 5 weeks of posting.

Those that have good cartilage in their ears may get cropped as early as 8 weeks and after (typically) 4 weeks of posting the ears are standing. Some with the extra long cut may require as many as 8 weeks of posting.

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I remember Sage took longer than 2 months of ears posted.  He does have the 'show'  extra long cut. Plus, his puppy stage is longer than the American Dobe due to his larger overall growth. Luckily, he never bothered them while in the post process. My prior two Dobes [many years ago] needed the wide shield collar.

Well so much goes for the typical. I've always had my dobes cut with a long show crop length because we do show them it is important that the ear looks nice. Typically most breeders will crop their dogs at 7to 9 weeks, it is much easier on the puppy if done during this time. the only time they are cropped later is if they are allowed to go to homes before cropping, doesn't have a thing to do with the cartlidge being ready. On the contrary it is harder to get them cropped at a later age, then you have to worry about cartledge.

Soldier RN your dogs ears are a medium show crop, not considered long for the American shows.

I'm still posting my puppy with a long show ear crop that was done at 9 weeks and the boy is now 7mo old. So it can take a long time to post the show crops. We are working out a pocket and I hope that I can get it looking decent. If it weren't for the pocket we may have been done by now. I can tell you that his mother we were also posting in some fashion or another for up to a year.

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rnddoberman, LOL, Sage is European

I am curious as to the actual "American AKC Show" length that differentiates between medium, which I've never heard of, and long cut. I know of the show (long) cut & short "guard" cut. Besides, how can you know exactly the length from digital pics of Sage?

BTW, I know since he has been neutered he is not eligible for AKC Show Confirmation events. Although, he can be entered in other AKC events.

Sage, also, comes from a superb pedigree... with Champions, no less. I've received many, many compliments on Sage's appearance, including his looooooooong ears.   

I can tell that his ears are definitly not a LONG american show crop even from the pictures. How do I know you ask? I know because that is what I do. I'm around the shows all the time, I show alot. So the pictures tell alot. Sages ears are not considered a long show crop, maybe for Euro showing but not here.

There is most definitly a medium and a long show crop. Sage is a nice looking dog, no arguments here.

Yes he can be entered in obedience, agility, rally and tracking events in the USA if neutered just not the conformation shows as you stated.

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Long cut inches ___ ? Med cut inches ___ ? Short cut inches ___ ?

Again, I know the short cut, typical of idiots that use their Dobe strictly for guard duty. IMHO, looks terrible. The other crop style is clearly a long cut. Sure, a mm here a mm there but still a long cut. To be drastically longer one should think about raising rabbits. I really think your splitting Hares (that's punny). However, you are the SME & if you can educate me, objectively (w/#'s), on this med cut... I will go to the doghouse with docked tail tucked. OMG, hope Sage's tail length is WNL?

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WNL; Within Normal Limits

It is not a set inch for long, med, or short. YOu can tell the different crops by YEARS of looking at all different styles and lengths and being in the show field. I agree with you the short cut is ugly.  The long show crop reminds me of a donkey to be honest, they usually have problems getting them to stand. Even the ears on my show female Paris if you look at my photos are not considered that long compared to what can be seen at the shows. As far as the tail it is to be docked at the 2nd joint. This is impossible for vets to do, they can't feel the joints when you take the puppies in between 3-5 days of age. Each litter that we have had docked all the puppies have varying length of tail, even though the same vet docked each one. What they do is bring out the vet book that tells them how long to cut it at. They measure and you get what you get. All of my dogs have different lengths. My 7mo old male from our last litter is about the closest that we have ever been to the standard. Just as all different show length ears are shown in the ring so are all different tail lengths. It is a cosmetic procedure.

I'm not sure if you think I was putting your dog down that was not the intention. You mentioned that he had a long show crop, I just stated that they would be considered med. So splitting hairs as you call it isn't the intention. It is a field that I do know alot about and I thought you might find it interesting since you don't show that yes they come much longer than that. No arguments, I didn't put your dog down at all I just stated that they were a med. crop. One of the nicer ones on this board.

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rnddoberman, a little barking but no bite ... it's all good.

Love this site!

I'm sure you are the expert here with all your years in Dobermans and all the titles you have earned with them. Your show experience will speak for itself, end of your argument!

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Actually, I was wrong & you were correct. Now that I've seen the long crop I am proud to say Sage has the medium cut. Was this "long" cut around back in the 80's? The VP of an accredited local AKC Dobe club showed my Dobe (1984 timeframe), which had the present med cut. She never mentioned this long cut back then. At any rate, this is all very subjective. IMHO, AKC needs to have more specific measurement guidelines on ear cropping, just as they do for ht/wt, ect. BTW, never meant to claim to be a SME (subject matter expert) on all things Dobe. In fact, I appreciate the correction.

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FWIW, there is no specific measurement of weight for Dobermans in the AKC standard.  Only for height. 

I don't see any need for measurement guidelines on the ears.  Some of them are born with longer/shorter ears and you can only work with what you've got.  Skilled croppers are artists, and they usually crop to suit the head. 

Let's say your "guideline" says the ears should be cropped at x inches but the dog wasn't born with ears that long.  Then what?  You can't say to use the full length or 3/4 length because that might be ridiculously long, depending on the puppy. 

I say let the artists continue to do their good work!  It's best to just leave well enough alone.  We already have a very good standard.

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I hope someone has a suggestion that will help! My male Dobie, had his ears done at 9wks. he has what they called a long show cut, after many months of taping they were standing beautifully, this went on for about 4months, then his left ear started to flop, I started retaping again and this went on for quit a few more weeks with checking in between times to see if it would stand on it's own for a day or week at a time, as soon as it would fall I would retape again. This seems to be going on forever. I was also giving him calcium supplants recomended by my vet. I have tried having injections done to try to strengthen the cartilage in the one ear this I'm not sure if it helped very much. His ear will stand for weeks on end and then proceed to flop just when I think that his ears are done it starts to flop again. He can hold his left ear up when he wants to, but if he, as I call it frown the left ear doesn't come back up. He is now 19 months old what should I try now, is there any hope that I can get both ears to coparate??? Thanks   S.Carriero The dog in the picture is my female I havn't been able to get a picture of my boy to post Sorry!!!!

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rnddobermans, what is a "pocket" that you speak of?  Will ears always stand, if one stays with it long enough?  Also, does Paris has a "medium" show crop?  To me her ears are long and gorgeous!