Isabella and her new Mama......

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Hello my name is Judy. I am new here and new to being a Dobbie mama. Her name is Isabella, nick named Izzy. She is a beautiful rust and tan. Makes my heart smile just to have her. I have not taken pictures yet but I will soon.  I just got her this past Sunday. She is 9 weeks old today. She was raised outside with her parents so her first time inside a house and on a floor was a bit odd to her...not scary, just unknown. Took to it just fine!!! Now she don't want to go outside and get her feet wet. LOL...She is has taken to new things very well. She loves being by my side just like I like it.

I am not new to dogs just to the Doberman breed. I have a Lab and 3 Yorkies. And now a Izzy my Doberman! I feel so blessed to be a part of their lives. They truly bring me joy! However b/c I love does not mean I don't train or require good behavior. Making them a joy for all to be around. She is potty training, crate training and leash training. An learning the word eh eh!! and come! She had not had any night time potty's inside her crate, NONE!!! wow! Which surprised me with all the fuss she has been making, ALL night long!!! Last night was better than the night before. I expect the fussing to get better within a week.

I will need help from time to time cause I want to be the best mama for Izzy I can be! But I need you all's understanding that I am new to the breed and I lack knowledge and understanding of the breed that only comes from experience. She is very bright and I can tell I will have my hands full! ;D

I already free feed, so I plan to keep it that way since I read that Dobermans can eat too fast causing air to get in and causing bloat ... something like that. So in my mind I am thinking if food is always there she will not eat so fast and so far that has worked. She has not gulped any of her food as of yet. In fact she is very delicate eater. I feed a very high premium dog food that I can only get from Petsmart. Please no food wars! I buy "the best" Petsmart has. It has worked well so far, for all my dogs. I learnt a long time ago that cheap foods will cost more in the long run. If you all use any kind of supplements for the your Dobbies please let me know. I heard they have skin problems. I want to avoid this as much as possible. Also I am hoping that the better food will stop or wain her gas problems..ugg!

Izzy is very shinny and has a short coat of course, but in the very middle it is a good bit thicker and not as soft as the rest. Is this normal to the breed? I thought the Dobermans coat was the same all over. Like a Weimaraner for example.

That's all for now....Thanks for letting me be apart of you all forum. I hope I can find acceptance and help here when needed.

Judy

Welcome Judy and Izzy!

I wanted to comment on the free feeding. Dobermans are also notorious and some lines more than others for being extremely picky eaters. Alot of times for the picky eaters you will not be able to keep enough weight on them with free feeding. Others like a few of mine would eat everything in site and continue to do so if  free fed. What they suggest to do instead is elevate the food and water dishes.

As for the coat of the puppy, it may be that because they were raised outside that it's like that I'm not sure. Maybe as she starts eating a quality food then you will be able to see a difference in her coat. A nicely bred Doberman should be smooth haired, short, hard, thick and close lying according to our standard. With puppies they tend to have a softer coat to begin with like all puppies but changes to the coarser coat later. My oldest Dobe has a longer coat than I prefer and she also sheds alot compared to the rest of the gang.

Funny story about the free feeding my daughter whom was in grade school at the time decided to make a dog feeder that would automatically fill. Well it worked really good and our oldest dog Elly whom is the biggest pig you ever saw when it comes to eating put it to the test. It cost me over 700.00 that weekend. We are lucky she didn't bloat that weekend.

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Thanks for the feeding tip, that totally makes sense about raising it up higher.  I have always thought if I ate all day how uninteresting would that make food.

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Free feeding makes it very hard to house train since house training is so reliant on having a schedule and knowing when stuff goes in makes it easier to know when stuff needs to come out.  ;-) 

You also have to consider the future.  Sometimes you need to know when a dog last ate (like in a veterinary emergency), sometimes you need them to eat at a particular time (for medication, for eg. or because you're leaving together to go somewhere, etc).  As rnd pointed out, free feeding can lead to pickiness. 

I disagree about raising the food dishes, though.  The Purdue studies on bloat found an incredibly higher risk of bloating from raising the food dishes. 

It's really sad that she was raised outdoors.  Glad she's inside now. 

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Free feeding makes it very hard to house train since house training is so reliant on having a schedule and knowing when stuff goes in makes it easier to know when stuff needs to come out.  ;-) 

You also have to consider the future.  Sometimes you need to know when a dog last ate (like in a veterinary emergency), sometimes you need them to eat at a particular time (for medication, for eg. or because you're leaving together to go somewhere, etc).  As rnd pointed out, free feeding can lead to pickiness. 

I disagree about raising the food dishes, though.  The Purdue studies on bloat found an incredibly higher risk of bloating from raising the food dishes. 

It's really sad that she was raised outdoors.  Glad she's inside now. 

I'm glad you pointed out about the Purdue study I wasn't aware of it. I just googled it and found a lot of info on it. Good thing for everyone to read who has concerns about bloat, I learned alot. Thank you for bringing that up. It would be great if a person had more time (wish I did) to post the suggestions in the study. Many are the same as they have been for years and I'm sure a lot of first time owners have no clue what bloat is caused from or the basic ways you can try to prevent it. thanks again for the great info!

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Unfortunately, I've been there/done that when it comes to bloat and once you've lost a beloved dog to bloat/torsion, you tend to really read up on it.  :-(

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My vet does not agree with free feeding either, cause she said the first thing to go when a dog is sick is the appetite. How would you know if she has eaten or not? Well I have a room where we all spend the day at, my computer, their food, water, and crates are in this room. I have access to the back door for potty time. I watch to see who has eaten and the time.  However the Yorkies pretty much all eat on a schedule that they worked out themselves.

I don't really know how to change that now. My Yorkies are so use to it. How would I keep them all out of each others food bowls? Especially the dobbie.

Thanks yall...I'm listening!

PS" less screaming last night...getting better!!

*glengate* she is so oblivious to everything...I mean she knows nothing about this new world she has came into. So I see in her the opportunity to write whatever I want on her mind-pad!!! ;) So sorry you lost your beloved that way!! Hug hug!

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Your vet made another good point.  Another is that there may come a time when you discover that one or more of your dogs requires a different diet from the others...

Feeding the dogs and keeping them out of each other's dishes is like training anything else.  I'd probably start off small and less overwhelming - maybe feed the 2 yorkies at the same time, keeping the puppy and the Lab in another room.  And feed the puppy and the Lab at the same time, keeping the yorkies in another room until the meal is finished.  Stand between the bowls and supervise and direct.  Teach them that it's not cool to go to another dog's bowl.  All it's going to take is effort on your part.  They can learn to do darned near anything we want to teach.  You can still write on the mind-pads of the others, too! 

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Glengate, thank you.. I did not know that about raised feeding dishes either.. Because Sofia has a bit of arthritis, I thought is would be easier for her to dine with a raised dish.. I put her food dish on a box about 8 inches off the floor and she still has to lean down to get it. But she seems to do better with it.
Sofia is a big girl. Stands almost 28 inches at her shoulder and weighs 90 pounds. She sometimes will skip meals altogether. Thyroid is okay now thanks to your suggestion to get it checked. SHe runs or walks a couple of miles a day and wrestles with her new gal pal Maya ( another of the many rescued dogs here in Baja) Thank you again for sharing your knowledge and support.
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Judy - I used to free feed. Then I got Red. Red is my 7 year old red male who peaked out at 147 pounds! After he was diagnosed with a thyroid problem and started on his twice daily pills, his weight dropped down to 95 pounds. At that weight he actually looked skinny because his is so large.

I used to also keep the dog food sack in the utility room and I would be sitting and reading and would hear paper rustling. Then he would come back in the living room still crunching kibble. He stick his head in the dog food sack and help himself. When I discovered that the dog food went in the pantry and he has not yet learned to open the door.

He is a scarfer, in that he will scarf up any dog food left from the others. They are all fed in their crates. When I let Red out, he immediately patrols the area in front of their doors to check for dropped kibble. Any morsel, no matter how small, is welcomed.

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Red sounds like my big Yorkie who was suppose to weigh 5 pounds and was 8 last I checked. She is always looking for a more food. Hmmm maybe I should go see your vet for me cause I have a low thyroid problem and am still gaining, up 60 pounds now...I am so miserable.

glengate thanks for tips on how to do that!! That sounds do-able.

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Judy,

I used to free feed my maltipoo before Prince came along. I learned very quickly that he is a little garbage disposal who will eat any and everything if I leave it out, especially Bella's food. I was left with no other choice than to put Bella on the same schedule as Prince. For the first few days, Bella barely ate at all. She did not appreciate being on a schedule after 2 years of free feeding. She would go to her bowl only to find nothing and then shoot Prince a loathing look as if to say "Everything was just fine before you showed up." But after a few days she got with the program and now eats at the same time as Prince. I am sure that your yorkies will catch on to the new program soon enough. I feed both dogs at the same time so that Prince isn't staring Bella down while she eats, just waiting for her to drop one little morsel that he can run over and eat before she realizes she dropped it. It was a bit hectic at first but now we have it down to a science.

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That is encouraging!!! If I seem reluctant it is the crate feeding, separate feeding that I don't like. I want them all to eat at the same time like Prince and Bella....I hope you all are Happy I have removed the food bowl! LOL not mad doing ;D  ;D  ;D I will try this for one week to see how it goes~!

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Also how do Prince and Bella fare? Do they play OK? like is he easy on her? thanks

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Judy,

They play well MOST of the time. I emphasize MOST because there are definitely times when he is simply too much for her. Luckily, I have a 13 lb. maltipoo that thinks she is 130 lbs. She is one tough little cookie. She has been the ruler of the roost since his majesty graced us with his presence. She is extremely submissive around other dogs but she does not tolerate Prince's games. I asked my dog trainer on what I should do when he tries to stalk her and perform his "mock bite" on her. She asked me what Bella does when Prince does something she does not like. I told her that Bella snaps back at him and doesn't relent until he lays on his back or leaves her alone. She said that I shouldn't do anything because Bella seems to be handling herself just fine. Like I said...tough little cookie. As he gets bigger, I do find myself stepping in more often not because his play has changed, but because he simply does not have any concept of how big he is and how fast he is growing and because Bella doesn't seem to be aware either. I am sort of protecting her from herself. Anyway, these are generally the best of friends. They sleep with one another and chew on the same bone together and play tug. They simply love to be around one another.



I must admit that it did not start out that way. For the first two weeks Bella was not very welcoming to say the least. But slowly she began to see him as a constant playmate and they got along great. It was very important for those first few weeks that I made certain not to disrupt her normal schedule as much as possible and to make sure to spend good, quality time with her everyday so that she didn't feel left out. I really believe this helped reassure her that she wasn't going to be replaced and that she was secure.

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Wow they are both beautiful! LOL. Looks like the lion and the lamb laying beside each other. My yorkies weigh almost 3 pounds, 3.5 pounds and 8 pounds! I really hope this will work! Aren't we so blessed!

Oh and I fed the dogs @ 5:00 today, removed the bowl and will do it again tomorrow. However I put the Dobbie outside in the potty pen to do her potty time while they ate then put the Yorkies outside while she ate her supper. No big deal!!! I knew if she was to cry they would stop eating and that would be that. I think this is getting me off to a good start.

Oh and it's got to be awesome to own a dog without all the hair to care for!

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Just LOOK at Izzy and her new stuffed toy.. what great pictures..
It always seems to be such a challenge, then things just sort of settle by themselves.. even though we tend to hover like avenging angels..
Dogs are pack animals and will adjust to their nature with or without us..As long as there's love in the house, your babies will know it.
You sound like a great mom. Good luck and thanks for the pics..
Katie and Sofia the amazing DoberDiva
P.S. my spell check is not working and I left my glasses downstairs.. hope this is legible..
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