I am doing it all WRONG aren't I?

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I feel so sad today and confused and  :-[

If there is one thing that makes my dogs, NOT like me, it is the Potty training time. I do the eh eh!! NO potty inside!!! I show it too her and then I take her outside. This morning she pulled her bedding out of her crate then peed on it. sigh  :-[  So she and I are confused!!!! I am doing it all wrong aren't I? If you all would ??? Please Please tell me how to do it correctly. I want my Izzy to love me!!!! but I also want her potty trained. I want a well behaved family member.

I have also noticed that she is not wanting to come to me as happily as she was. She also prefers to be outside than inside....so does the mean she will never prefer be with me? I know I am not as much fun as the the Lab is but she is ignoring me. Pulling away from me.... Right now it is eh eh, No no, get out of that and NO bite, and well you all know...

Also my right arm is so inflamed from pulling on the leash trying to keep her away from the lab and picking her up, this is NOT new I had surgery on this arm but it has been years since I had it been this inflamed...

  :-[ I need help!!! I need to make this work!!!

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Oh Judy.
I can tell how sad you feel.. Wish I could give you sound advice other than to read Cesar's Way and realize that dogs really don't feel human emotions.. WE HAVE TO BE THE PACK LEADER and pack leaders dont' really care if the rest of the pack like them or not.. They just insist on obedience..
Izzy is testing you like any doberkid will.
Sofia has bonded with her Dad no matter what or how I do it.. He is the pack leader and sometimes HRM will try to treat me like her pup. Yes.. I love it when she nibbles my chin and kisses me after she eats. ( I think she's really just wiping her face on mine) yes it feels good when she nudges me when I'm trying to slam out the next chapter that has a deadline in twenty mins. Telling me " I love you Mom.. Let's go play or let's go for a walk" but I have to be the Alpha Bee-atch and not allow her to be the boss..
Have patience grasshopper. and consistency. I have a hunch that Lady Izzy feels your confusion and watches your body language and takes it from there.. As far as piddling on her bedding.. no clue.. never heard of that and not sure why she would want to soil where she is comfortable. Ah HA!! Maybe she's not comfortable.. Maybe she's allergic to the stuffing in the crate bedding..try just a cotton towel or baby blanket and see
Try not to fret.. it will only heighten the anxiety everyone feels..Glad you're listening.. we're readind!!

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THanks!!!! I am buying to book today!!! After all the dogs I have owned I want them to love seeing me and enjoy me as much as I enjoy them!!!

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Oh and I meant to say that lol it was NOT her bedding it was one of the Yorkies bedding...so my thoughts are she is soooo friggin smart she took there covers peed on it instead of the floor, that way she wont get into trouble...she drug it out of their crate!! So what y'all think of that???...

I FEEL soooooooo much better now you saying all that!!! Cause my Yorkies too, love their daddy who never disciplines!!! Gets all their love...sniff sniff!  :-\

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It's all about the Alpha Dog - she just informed the Yorkie's that SHE is it...

some dogs, just like people, are more affectionate than others, don't worry too much about that. They are smart, but not smart enough or emotionally advanced enough to hold a grudge because you yelled at her.  She probably just didn't have that with her other owners...If I recall you recently got her from someone right?  if they aren't loved on in those critical weeks they just don't develop the same emotional bond to people that others do.  She might the longer you have her and she might always be a bit more aloof than your other dogs.  that doesn't mean she doesn't like you.....or is any less 'good' of a dog. 

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Oh Judy.. that just explains EVERYTHING!!  Of course she peeped on the Yorkie's bedding.. Who wants a Yorkie around when she can be the up and coming queen of the castle.
( okay... here's a little secret and you cant' tell a soul...) my oldest daughter climbed into her sisters' crib one night and did the same thing.. climbed back out and went to her own bed. They were one and two at the time..They are grown up Mom's of their own and I'm pretty sure it's stopped.. but sibling rivalry can be most interesting.. ( But that's another chapter)
BTW Sofia has officially forgiven me for taking her to the vet yesterday.. she sat on my lap and said.. "The scales were off..I'm not really 85 pounds!!"

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Lori wrote:

If I recall you recently got her from someone right?  if they aren't loved on in those critical weeks they just don't develop the same emotional bond to people that others do.  She might the longer you have her and she might always be a bit more aloof than your other dogs.  that doesn't mean she doesn't like you.....or is any less 'good' of a dog. 

Hi Lori I got her straight from the breeder @ 8 weeks old. She was however born and raised outside and was totaly oblivious to what it is like to have a human relationship or to wlk on a floor LOL!!!!! But still I understand that some are different! I left around 11 ish today and didn't get back till 3ish and guss who was soooo glad to see her mama YELP Lady Izzy.

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Oh Judy.. that just explains EVERYTHING!!  Of course she peeped on the Yorkie's bedding.. Who wants a Yorkie around when she can be the up and coming queen of the castle. ( okay... here's a little secret and you cant' tell a soul...) my oldest daughter climbed into her sisters' crib one night and did the same thing.. climbed back out and went to her own bed. They were one and two at the time..They are grown up Mom's of their own and I'm pretty sure it's stopped.. but sibling rivalry can be most interesting.. ( But that's another chapter)
BTW Sofia has officially forgiven me for taking her to the vet yesterday.. she sat on my lap and said.. "The scales were off..I'm not really 85 pounds!!"

I love my snobby Yorkies too bits!! But they will never be loved more than her cause they are YORKIE'S!!!!...shhh don't tell them or Izzy! I don't need more rivalry.

Kids say and do the darnedest things!!! I mean really how smart was that for a 2 year old? or was that jealousy?? Well...Who knows!!! I am still dealing with my kids!!! And please tell Sofia I understand!! The Dr scales are always wrong!! unless you lost then they are perfect!! hahahaa

Lady Kate I bought the book and will be reading it starting tonight. Thanks!!! What I read at the book store was interesting!!

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Judy - I had to laugh when you pointed out that it was one of the Yorkie's beds. Princess just delights in pulling out the Schnauzer's beds when they are outside and she is loose in the house. I have to close the Schnauzer crate doors when they are not in them! Thankfully, she has never peed on one of them, but then she didn't start this trick until she was over six months and by then, she had the outside routine down well.

Thankfully, Princess' breeder also worked with the litter, and they were partly crate trained when I got her at nine weeks. She couldn't really work too much on the outside stuff because it was all ice and snow outside where she was born at the time. The first night in the motel, when I put her in her crate (which she had traveled in for 4 hours) there was not a peep. In the middle of the night, I was awakened by a whining pup, I got up, got dressed, put on warm clothes (it was 17F outside) and took her outside. She quickly took care of both items, and I picked her up and we went back to bed, after a little loving and praising by me.

One the other hand, my female Schnauzer who is now 13, was a really hard case. I could not trust her until after she was 1 year old. Ironically, a dog raised outside and then brought inside, will generally want to go back outside and do it on the grass. I would guess that Izzy was raised in a kennel, so grass was a foreign to her as the carpet.

If you will hold her in your lap and give her a lot of TLC, she will begin to come to you because she will like that. Sometimes it does take our Doberkids a while to come to the realization that petting is a pretty good deal. Of course once they come to that realization, they will want to be petted, non-stop.

One other thing I did with Princess was to sit on the floor with her while she ate. Now it was primarily so she would stay and eat (I was sitting between her food bowl and the exit from the kitchen) as she's a picky eater. She will eat a bit and then wonder off. This would not be a problem except for Red (my 7 year old male) who's like a vacuum when he gets near kibble. He will inhale anything she leaves. I have to latch her crate door when she's out in order to keep him from eating what she has not yet consumed.

Hang in there, raising a puppy is at times a challenge. When Izzy is a young Dobe, and no longer a small puppy, you will start to receive the rewards of owning Dobie.

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rgreen I too was owned by Schnauzers years ago, later Yorkies and now a Doberman, LOL my schnauzers were much easier to potty train then my yorkies! OMG!!! It took me till they were all at and one was over a year!!! PLEASE tell me Dobermans are easier than Yorkies!!!

Izzy was not in a cage type kennel it was on the ground in a pen. No concrete which is better too me!! As far as trust, I do potty trust but off leash trust, no way!!! Just too risky they can run fast!! Still to this day they will pick up anything and eat/chew it! My oldest Yorkie is very destructive. The other two are not...oh oh and Izzy has not ripped torn or trashed any of her toys!!! Not even a toilet paper roller I dropped, which she ran off with...So I let her play with it till Queen Furgie came, took it (I was cooking) and tore it to pieces! I hope this is a good sign.

:o A little while ago I put a towel down and gave Lady Izzy an ice cube for entertainment which she had a ball with, then she upped and pee'd on the towel..eek! I do believe LOL I could paper train this girl...but I so don't want that!! Nooo lol

Anyways I let her sit in my lap and she loves it. She is learning no bite!!! Poor thing everything is eh-eh!!! No No! or something taken away!!

I feed Izzy in her crate and she likes it..I have too or the yourkies would get NOTHING!!! I am feeding 2 x's a day now, no more free feeding...which started out better than it is right now. One of my yorkies Princess Sophie has decided she don't want to eat when I say, so I guess by tomorrow she will be good an hungry!!

Thanks!!! all of you!!! I am so glad I found you all...y'all are the bestest!!! LOL so forgiving of my errors!!! And I am looking forward to the young Dobie!! Right? You promise???

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At this time in her life, Izzy just does not have the control that she will have later. It will come with age. Think of the control that a 6 month human baby has, or rather I should say does not have. If she feels the need, she will search a bit, squat and pee, many times before you can even say anything.

If you take her out often enough, then she will not have the urge to go in the house. Again, make a very very big deal out of the fact that she does her business outside. The urge to please on the part of the Doberman should not be underestimated. They are definitely not like Yorkies which are very independent. Now, Dobies can be hard headed, but they really want to please their Dobermama.

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Thanks rgreen and you must have owned a Yorkie or two cause they are yes independent!!!

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Oops so sorry Judy, I posted on the wrong thread..
I wanted to send you photos of Sofia and try as I might ( even being walked through it many times) cannot use PhotoBucket
I thought your personal EMail might be next to your profile, but it's not, so send it to
katieobrian@hotmail.com
and I will show and tell.
Many images of Her Ladyship is on "Sofia's Story" posted a long time ago.
Take care.. and keep 'listening'.. I think you're a wonderful mom!

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This is a interesting thread. I am nto glad that the OP ( original poster) is having problems,but glad to read that the aloofness can be from possibly not having enough interactions with people from an early age. The thing about a dog wantnig to go outside,if it were raised out doors (as a puppy before purchase) ,totally makes sense and I agree with that.
I picked a 12 week Puppy that was raised strictly out doors in a out door pen (on dirt ) with lots of other dogs because I felt that would help increase the chances of having an easier time potty training my puppy. And it is helping ! But I have been bonding with him much slower than expected. I have a chihuahua. I know they were bred to be lap dogs and so obviously they are naturally affectionate with their owners (and very much so !, lol ) . Well I read that Dobermans were velcro dogs, so I thought maybe he'd have some degree of at least  wanting to be affectionate.  He does not follow me around the house or anything either . But if we are playing chase and being silly, he will run after me in the house and we play htis game where I hide in different rooms,and have him look for me. I'm hopngi this game with strengthen his bond with me.  It has certainly taught him to come when he's called ,lol.  Ive had him about a month and he is now 16 weeks.
All he cares about is doing anything and everything a dog is not supposed to do. I would have to force him to stay next to me or in my lap (on leash or holding him). I think I am his favorate person in the house, and he does act happy to see me when I pick him up from day care , but he is definiately very aloof with us ALL. After reading the past post about not them being this way from lack of early human contact, I think it has to do with the fact that the breeder probably never interacted with these dogs ,other than feeding them, or showing them to prospective owners.

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Hey Buddys-owner! Umbilical Cording!!! yep you heard me!! This method is LOL pretty much what it sounds like... your dog is attached to you with a cord (his leash) throughout the day and evening till naps/bed times. I put it through my belt loops. It requires vigilance, but yields excellent results with just about every dog or puppy. 

No one feeds Buddy, but you! No pets! No kids. No adults. Till that bond gets started.
No one plays with Buddy, but you! You have to be more fun than anyone or thing!! Which is hard if Buddy is playing  with other dogs or ppl.
No one bathes Buddy, but you! I found that when I bathe Izzy she and I bond...I am not sure why but we do. I massage her too. I make it soothing time by slow talking. No hyper voice.
Give buddy lots of treats, diced carrots, dried English peas (see recipe below) and I have given mine Grape Nuts...shrug

Dried English Peas
1 can of English Peas drained well
Toaster Oven
Toaster Oven sized pan

Pour the peas into the pan spread out so non are on top of each other
Slow cook on about 200 for 30 or more minuets
Temps vary per oven up or lower... play around find what works for you.

Get on the floor Take his face into your hands and face it towards yours and smile and talk to him high pitched baby talk voice they love it. This helps to help get his attention! Have treats!! Tell him LOOK at me and as soon as his eye catches yours give a treat. Do it 5 to 10 x's He'll get it soon.

This way you become Buddy's all and he is dependent on you for EVERY THING! My Izzy is so very different today than even last week. She looks at me. She hears me!!! lol but does not always listen but hey she is a baby!

Good Luck..I understand your frustration...take it easy on yourself and on Buddy! Meaning just let it be OK that things are going slower than expected or yall are not were you want it to be. Have faith in Buddy he will come around.