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Izzy is home  ;D and she looks a pitiful site too! I am now asking myself what H was I thinking?
Dr. C did not post her ears said next week when bring her back in that they would then. Is that normal?
Poor baby, my poor poor baby! What have I done?

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Did he put a cup on or just let them flop?

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Nope left them to flop!  ??? I just got off the phone cause her face and eyes look a bit swollen! He said give her a teaspoon of childrens liquid benadryl. and if she is still swollen to call in the AM and will probably need to bring her in.

They are very good and I trust them I just don't like seeing her looking like this!!

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Izzy is home  ;D and she looks a pitiful site too! I am now asking myself what H was I thinking?
Dr. C did not post her ears said next week when bring her back in that they would then. Is that normal?
Poor baby, my poor poor baby! What have I done?

Cropping is a fine art and many vets claim to know how to do it but their crops speak for themselves. I personally would not let my dogs ears flop unless I had to. I believe it is more irritating to them as they shake their heads and the ears along with it. Not to mention that the edges are much more vulnerable to splitting open. Mine are always put on cups until the stitches are out. The running stitches usually in about 7days the base stitches take longer. Never post the ear until the edges are healed. I've also heard of many vets doing this...not a good thing. It seems that a lot of people on this forum have vets that let the ears flop. So it is done this way but their are other ways that help to make the dog more comfortable instead. It looks like Izzy has a short crop so should stand quickly.

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In my vets defense... I said post as I though that was what they are going to do. He said tape. To me it meant the same. How would I go about putting her ears in or on a cup?

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Sure her Ladyship is swollen. She had surgery on an area near her face. Have you ever seen what a facelift patient looks like on the day after. A lot worse than she does. Swollen, distorted, and with black eyes! Princess was the first Dobie I ever had with a cup on their head, and boy am I in favor of it now.

Some use a foam block, or other brace, but the old styrofoam cup works and is easy to come by. While I have never made one, I did look at the one that Princess had on for a week, and noted a few things. First, the tape on the cup and under the chin is the elastic tape. The tape holding the ears in place are on the front (uncut) edge only and regular adhesive tape was used because of the superior adhesive over the elastic tape.

The first step is to use elastic tape to cover the bottom of the cup, being careful to not pull the tape so tight that it collapses the cup. Then wrap around the cup to help stabilize the cup and hold the tape across the bottom. To add support to the cup, you might want to put some balled up paper towels in it, but the one Dr. Janey used did not have that, and toward the end HRH had it rather distorted in shape.

You may need help to actually put the cup on her head, because she won't like it. With the cup in place on the top of her head, place some of the elastic tape down and under her chin going from in front of one ear to behind the opposite hear so the tape crosses under the chin. At this point the cup is on her head, but the ears do not yet touch the cup or the tape. Then wrap around the cup again to brace the ends of the tape that goes under the chin.

Next take regular adhesive tape and tape the uncut edges of her ears to the cup. My vet used wide adhesive tape for this, but repeated strips of more narrow tape should work ok.

Now she will not like this foreign object on her head, but she will look better, and except for the foreign object taped to her head, she will feel better. The ears will be up and more protected.

Rnddoberman may have more to add, as she's had more experience with this technique than I have. Once again, a photo of Princess wearing her Shriner's Cap:

I sincerely believe that this process gives a head start on the standing of the ears. When the stitches came out and Dr. Janey posted the ears, one week later I took the posts out, preparing to allow the ears to air for two days expecting them to fall after a few hours. They never fell. I never had to post again. Never have I had a Dobie's ear stand after only one week of posting. I know that those who have the extra long beautiful crops would dearly love to have their Dobie's ears stand with only one week of posting.

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Thanks for sharing that! I will show hubby and see what we can do...but right now she is trying to pee every little bit. I wonder is that normal. Nothing is coming out or is this the UTI rearing it's ugly head.

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I hope she feels better, and well you as well. I know it must hurt you as well seeing her like that, I know it's going to break my heart once Kratos' gets his ears done.  :-[

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Thanks dobieluvr yes it is hard. I thought she would be taped...just breaks my heart to see her hurt...when I picked her up she seemed dazed and confused. I took her out to potty and them it hit her HEY! that's my MOMMY! LOL

I meant to say in my previous post that she is on antibiotics for the UTI!

Good luck to you and Kratos'

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She was probably still doped up a bit to keep her quiet. Doctors do that to us as well you know. Just keep an eye on her and give her plenty of lap time. It won't hurt to lightly scratch between the ears, and keep an eye on the incisions up the backs of the ears. While she is groggy it would not hurt to do some filing on her back toenails to reduce the chance of her catching the sutures with a claw. As they heal, they will start to itch and she will try to scratch - natural reaction.

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Thanks Rick I dremeled her nails a few days before surgery! She has the best behavior well sometimes lol...I love her ability to trust me and to adjust...although this morning she seems a bit jumpy. shrug Not feeling too good I am sure.

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Oh Judy I am so sorry you and Lady Izzy are going through this.. I hope you both feel better soon.
.The UK has outlawed the crop and perhaps for a good reason.
I don't breed Dobermans and I dont' show them, and I certainly understand why it's done. It's the "standard" of the perfect Doberman. I wish the AKC would sanction the flop so maybe some of us wouldnt' put our babies through this.. I've heard more disappointing stories on cropping than I care to.
Rgreen.. you made such a good point about the facelifts patients. Of course they hurt. Of course they're swollen and of course it's all for a 'cause' but I'm wondering, in my heart of hearts what that might be.

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I do love the look of the crop!! Just look at Izzy's Avatar she look like a hound, then look at RG and RN's avatars much better!!! Sigh I don't know if I can justify it, other than to say Izzy is doing much better today and She is given pain meds to get though this rough part!! I know one day I will not be sorry but today I am, no matter how good she will look ONE DAY!  ::)  :'(

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Hi Judy,  Izzy will be ok  :)  and she's such a beautiful little girl!  I wish you both well.

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Sigh I don't know if I can justify it, other than to say Izzy is doing much better today and She is given pain meds to get though this rough part!!   ::)   :'(

Actually there is a health benefit to cropping the ears. The ears will stay dryer and will be less prone to ear infections and problems. I have one Min. Schnauzer with un-cropped ears because his stood nicely with the nice little tip over at the tips. The other two were cropped because they stood but no tip over, so the looked like little radar dishes.

I felt that Lady Izzy should be on pain meds as Princess was, but they are more to just knock the edge off and keep them quiet. Most of my previous Dobes were not on any pain meds or tranquilizers. Princess was given 20 tranquilizers of 25mg each with the instructions to give her 2 to 3 a day as needed. I still have 5 as I stopped them a little early. I was tired of the staggering zombie. I just kept her crate in my bathroom and kept the other dogs in their crates when she was out.

Only after the stitches were out and the posts out did I allow Princess to play with Red again. Of course I had been closely supervising because a 120 lb dog playing with a 22 lb dog can hurt the little one without intending to. Now, I seem to have to protect him from her as she seems to think he is a large live chew toy.

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THanks for that info Rick! I was thinking it had to be better. I had my schnauzers done but I really don't remember it being an ordeal. I just feel like Izzy is my baby. I know I know I shouldn't but she acts like one too!  8)

LOL as far as chewing goes.... good grief.... if Izzy is walking (when feeling better) her mouth is open ready to chew on what ever touches it!!! She  is sooo funny!

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How are Lady Izzy's ears doing? If my calculations are correct the surgery was a week ago, and some if not all the stitches should be about ready to come out.

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They took the stitches out yesterday and said come back Friday to tape. Reason being they were not healed completely. I was putting triple antibiotic ointment on them and keeping them too clean I guess. :-\  He asked if had another dog and was it licking the ears, cause they were real clean? I spoke up in a happy proud voice and said oh no... the Yorkies don't like Izzy and that I was putting triple ointment on them. ....Although he never said I shouldn't have, I could tell he was not too pleased.  eek! oops!

The whole office seemed to be in a mood if you ask me!! They were not their normal cheerful selves...I hope Friday goes well! Izzy and I are ready to get this over!!!

SO? Should I not put salve on the ears? What do you think?

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It's one of those situations where you can, but it's not necessary.  I've never put anything on cropped ears while they are healing just as I usually don't put anything on my own wounds when they're healing.  IMO, it just keeps the air from them.  I like to keep things dry rather than wet. 

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I agree. As long as there is no infection, let they dry and heal.

I used to be the same way. However, age has caught up with me and I can't get away with that anymore. I usually put a band-aid on with Neosporin for about 24 hours to let it stop bleeding and then leave it open and heal that way. If it starts to get infected, then I will put Neosporin on again and cover lightly with a band aid to allow air to get to it.

Of course the ears are an exception, but most wounds I just let the dog lick unless it becomes inflamed. Then I take other action and of course if it is serious enough, off the the vet. Most of the time it's just fang nick between Red and Princess, after all Dobies are noted for playing rough.

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OK I Wont! and i haven't, I been too busy today to even think of putting any on.

Just another difference of opinion and a million different ways to do things lol. I ALWAYS use the antibiotic creme on the edges. I want to keep it moist and keep any bad things out. I find the stitches are easier to take out this way. It's not that I keep it smothered all day long, but it is put on a few times a day. Just goes to show you different people use different methods and it seems to work out fine for them. NEVER had any problems with it. I would rather it be clean then crusty and dried out.