Incontinence

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Hello all, looking for some advice please.  

My son came home unannounced on Friday with a rescue Lab mix.  
The dog is a neutered male about a year and a half old. He knows his name but appears to have very little or no training based on how he acts.  

Our problem is that he seems to just loose control of his bladder at completely arbitrary times, not related to any one activity or level of excitement.  He will pee from one end of the house to the other as he walks around, I don’t think he even realizes it.  He has never just stopped and gone on the floor, always while walking around. 

We had him to the vet on Saturday, no UTI but no real answer either.  

Thoughts on how we should address this? I would appreciate any help offered.   

 

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I think you taking him to the Vet FIRST was the right move. You have to rule out any sort of medical issues before you approach it as a training issue.

Since he is young and has very little if any training have you considered just starting at square one with the potty training with him? Treating him as if he was a 'puppy' still and starting at the beginning?

I definitely suggest getting him a crate and limiting the areas he is allowed to be in until he has a little bit of bladder control.

 

 

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Thank you for the input, I was and am still a little concerned that it is a medical issue.  We are basically doing as you have outlined and restricting his allowable areas, taking him out often and rewarding when he goes potty outside.   

What I notice is when he goes potty outside he stops, squats and goes as you would expect him to. Every time he has had an accident in the house it’s the traveling hose job. He is just trotting along and leaving a trail of pee in his wake.  This is with us taking him out to potty approximately every 30 min.  

He does seem to sleep through the night without incident.  And has never pooped in the house.  I hope we can get this figured out as he seems to really want to be part of the family.  

 

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From what I am finding in my research there is a lot of talk of hormone imbalances that may take place and cause this issue in male dogs that were neutered to soon in their life. 

Sites speaking of Testosterone replacement therapy?

Anyone have experience with this? 

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I am not familiar with that but not surprised either.

I do know that most Vets and shelters will not generally discuss (or they will dismiss) questions about adverse reactions related to spay / neuter surgeries. It is about 'population control' moreso than longevity with many of them.

I have read a few of the different studies that show up to a 20% increase in the risks of urinary incontinence for spayed female dogs. (just one of the reasons I do not have any of my females altered) 

 

Thumbs up to you for being the sort of dog owner that is willing to do your own research and gather the facts. Many do not bother. I 'thought' I had it bad with my puppies having to do the potty breaks every three to four hours during the day but you got it much worse at every 30 minutes...

Here is some reading for you from Laura J. Sanborn, M.S.

http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/long-term-health-risks-benefits-spay-neuter-dogs/

Don't be shy about seeking out a different Vet to consult with after you have finished gathering your information. One thing I have learned over the years is that different Vets are often very skilled at different things depending on what they are interested in and it often pays to know more than a few. Same thing applies to the tools they may have available at their clinics... A Vet that has an 'interest' in teeth is likely to have very nice tools / equipment for that sort of work as compared to one that has little interest in that sort of thing. Both may offer teeth cleaning 'services' but the one with the better tools and more interest in that area is much more likely to do a better job.

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He did much better yesterday. Not sure if it is/was a stress issue or due to a second day on antibiotics.

The vet said she didn’t believe that he had a UTI but prescribed a round of Amoxicillin as a punt in case there was something underlying she missed. He did have one accident yesterday (loss of control) and a new behavior in that he would seem to lose control while outside on the way to his “area” to do his business.

 

One incidence in the house is a HUGE improvement over the previous couple of days so I am hopeful we will keep improving.  

 

@DobermanGuy I appreciate the input, the article you posted is interesting to say the least. Nice to see things laid out this way. Lot to chew through so I am going back through it. I am still learning and appreciate good content.

 

I was going to start looking for a breeder in January with the hope of a puppy for me some time in 2018 but will wait to see how this new, unexpected addition settles in first. 

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THAT is awesome news! Hope things continue to get better for you and hope that the new guy works out well in your home!

 

My potty training for the night involved having to stand out in the rain for about 15 / 20 minutes while one flat refused to do her poop in it. They both went pee as soon as they hit the grass and her sister was done with both (in the same rain) in less than one minute... The one girl was 'holding out' on the poop because of the rain. I got soaked, she shook most all of it off before coming back in the house, and I got no poopie out of her even though I knew darn well she 'needed' to go.

I had to take that same dog out again an hour later but she was 'really' needing to go by that point and did her business pretty quickly.

I am thankful that it was only lightly raining tonight and not a full blown thunderstorm. :)

 

I was going to start looking for a breeder in January with the hope of a puppy for me some time in 2018 but will wait to see how this new, unexpected addition settles in first. 

  

 

That is something else you could discuss with your Vet... Your vet may be able to point you in a direction of Doberman people that can help you. The more info you can gather from as many sources as possible - The better off you will be.