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My dog Q got attacked this morning at the beach by a strange dog that i'd never seen before. Both the attacker and my dog were on leashes at the start...my dog did his usual 'hello..pleased to meet you' type thing and then the other dog just steamed into him.
Hearing your dog scream isnt a nice thing so of course I waded in to try and stop...ending up with 5 sutures in my finger and a plastic surgery consult next week.
The other owner didnt do anything whilst i stood there kicking his dog to try and get him off mine, sticking my fingers into his sockets seemed to work. My dog is still at the vets...apart from brusing and contusions around the neck the vet was worried about shock.
The other owner walked away leaving us there Maybe he thought it best to difuse the situation and will catch up with me tomorrow?
Is there any other way to try and break up an attack, should i have just left them to it?...Ive never had this happen before. I'm still shocked and teary eyed.

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The best way to stop a dog from his attack is to pull up on the collar. They don't know what to do if you pull them up off the ground. If you pull back that just feeds into their natural drive to push forward against resistance. If their is a leash attached, it's best to grab that and lift up. A foot or so of leash keeps the dog's head away while you hold him up by the collar.

*For informational purposes only*  ;)

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:) Thank you Horse, I will take note of that in future in case it ever happens again...'Pull up'
Poor Q, being such a social dog he really didnt know what hit him and his screaming made Sophie 'the new pup' run all the way home to hide shivering under my car.

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My dog Q got attacked this morning at the beach by a strange dog that i'd never seen before. Both the attacker and my dog were on leashes at the start...my dog did his usual 'hello..pleased to meet you' type thing and then the other dog just steamed into him.
Hearing your dog scream isnt a nice thing so of course I waded in to try and stop...ending up with 5 sutures in my finger and a plastic surgery consult next week.
The other owner didnt do anything whilst i stood there kicking his dog to try and get him off mine, sticking my fingers into his sockets seemed to work. My dog is still at the vets...apart from brusing and contusions around the neck the vet was worried about shock.
The other owner walked away leaving us there Maybe he thought it best to difuse the situation and will catch up with me tomorrow?
Is there any other way to try and break up an attack, should i have just left them to it?...Ive never had this happen before. I'm still shocked and teary eyed.

Oh my gosh! I'm so sorry for you guys. I cant believe the guy just walked off, you must have been bleeding and he didn't even offer to help. My thoughts are with you please keep us updated to how Q is doing and what the plastic surgeon says. YOur finger must have been really bad to have a consult with the plastic surgeon. Dog fights are really scary. I hope you guys are okay!

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Wow I am at a lose for words as to why he never offered to help.  ???  I can't stop shaking my head I mean his dog could have killed you for all he knows ... right or was it over by then? Glad you and Q are ummm OK, but poor Q he must be traumatized from all this...will probably change him forever.

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Thank you guys for your caring wishes.
RND Its my middle left finger and im left handed. When i got to the surgery I couldnt bend it, or feel anything in the tip..most probably due to all the adrenaline coursing through me. Its very sore now and tingling at the tip which is a good sign. Im still having a bit of a weep but will feel much better when I go to pick Q back up in half an hour from the vets.
Judy yes he did walk off leaving me and Q bleeding but im thinking he will be back without the dog tomorrow. We are now both on antibiotics for our wounds. Q's worried me more. I know those punctures can cause lots of damage.
I do see this man sometimes on the beach with another dog, we are on nodding terms which is why i feel relunctant to ring the dog ranger...but next time it might be a child. I dont know what breed it was either except that it had a big head.
I hope that Q will take it in his stride and not be too affected by this.

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Ria - a few things. If you can find one in your area, a large battery powered high volume squirt gun will do the trick. Spraying water in the face of a dog, will not hurt the dog and it breaks their concentration on what they are doing.

Second - I would recommend you do ring the dog ranger, which I assume is the authority there with the jurisdiction. Any unprovoked dog attack is a serious thing, especially when a human being is injured as well. Nine years ago two Presa Canario dogs killed a lady in San Francisco and the owners went to jail and the dogs euthenized. They are mastiff type of dogs, very large and if improperly trained very dangerous.

In the U.S. any "strange" dog that bites a human is many times immediately confined and observed for at least two weeks. I use the term "strange" to any dog that does not have a working relationship with the individual that was bitten. Once the background of the dog is know, it may be kept or released. In an unprovoked attack the owner of the attacking dog is most certainly liable.

While the other dog obviously attacked Q, I don't know that you can claim being attacked, but you certainly were injured as a result of the attack. Certainly you have the right to have the dog ranger investigate and document the situation. From what I have read, the liability of the owner is significant which is probably why he left. You have seen him with at least two dogs, how many more does he have?

Another reason to have the incident documented, is if there is a future incident, then the attack you experienced provided prior history. I don't blame the dog, but the people around him. Unfortunately many good dogs have been ruined and had to be destroyed because of the humans around them. The dog ranger from what I have read also has the right to insist the dog be muzzled in public.

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:) Thanks Mr Green
You are right I will ring the ranger in the morning and the council. I do remember reading the story of that lady that was killed in one of my books here.
Somebody else also suggested that the guy walked off because he had no registration for the dog? Im not sure I was too stressed out to think straight. :( I know that he generally walks with 2 dogs so this will be his third.
I actually feel awful that i kicked the other dog, that's a first and a last for me.
Q is a bit lame and his puncture wounds left open? I keep wanting to put a dressing on them. He is here with Sophie laying on my feet. :)

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Ps I just wanted to say...now i can see the difference in Q's mock play fights with Sophie. Same kind of holds but no puncture wounds. Just imagine the control that it takes to do that. Bite or no bite.

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I agree. I'd call the "dog ranger" for sure. I'd also make sure to get Q out seeing friendly dogs soon.

In the US the hospital reports dog bites. lol My wife was playing with a 3 or 4 week old puppy one day. It caught her lip on its little needle tooth. She needed a couple stitches and the hospital reported that as a dog bite.

I'm really glad your attack wasn't worse. I've known people who have had the same experience but with terrible injuries to their dogs. People need to learn to train their dogs, and if not to keep them on a leash. Maybe you're guy needs to tie the leash around his waste for now on...

It is a whole different thing, fighting as apposed to playing, isn't it?  :o

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The puncture wounds are probably left open to assist in the healing. Many people do not realize that the saliva in a dog's mouth is a natural antiseptic because of the high acid content. That is why they lick a wound, not because it bothers them (which it does) but because it is a healing action. I would not be surprised to have you post that Sophie is licking his wounds as well.

I left out another reason dogs are searched out and possible confined in the U.S., especially in the South, is Rabies. When I lived in Virginia (a mid Atlantic state) the rabies vaccination was valid for 3 years from the date of vaccination. In the deep south, that same vaccination material is only certified for one year. (Personal experience in Texas and Georgia). I don't know how big a problem that is in N.Z.

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:DHorse....That's awful to hear...and I know that it happens. ??? I already had a bad nights sleep as i couldnt stop thinking about the other dog with Q's front leg in his mouth. Ive never thought of dogs as having malice but i swear the dog was looking at me when he bit down.
Ive now rung all the people concerned and also taken photo's...so awaiting the dog control people to come and pick up my statement.
Q's leg is swollen slightly...but I guess thats the inflammation process going on....we are both on the same antibiotics funny enough. The local vet didnt want to give NSAIDS due to his VW status despite the fact the i took the vet gen cert with me. But my friend vet down in auckland couriered some up for me.
For the last two days...we have gone to a different beach...I need to be calm when meeting other dogs so that Q dosnt pick up on it, but he has had a good romp with Sophie this morning and met one of his old friends Cosmo.
Rgreen...yes Sophie is giving lots of licks to his neck...I didnt know that about the enzime action and have been having a google. Good stuff.
Thankfully we dont have rabies here yet
Thanks once again for all the best wishes and advice.

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Sorry to hear about this, I hope you and your dog are ok...

That being said, it really amazes me how many horrible dog owners there are out there.  They do not properly discipline nor socialize their dogs in any way.  As I've walked my new pup the last few weeks we have met probably 10 dogs and only about 2 of them were at all what I would call ok to play with.  Every one of the other's did the attempted lunge thing or just freaked out barking and pulling like crazy.  The neighbor actually went inside to bring out her 80lb boxer so he could 'meet' Rocky then as we approach says to me 'I hope this goes ok, he was a rescue and doesn't do well with other animals' ???  REALLY?  so you thought it would be a good idea to bring him up to my 12 week old puppy...?  stupid, stupid people....where is their common sense?  and how do you allow your dog to attack and just stand there?

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Ria, I feel for you and Q, Freyja and I have encountered "uncomfortable" situations on our walks, usually with unleashed dogs.  I've often wondered how I'd handle such a situation if it arose, since I don't carry my white cane when walking with Freyja.  And unfortunately by walking them on a leash we restrain one of our dog's biggest defenses, speed and quickness, putting them at greater risk.

Don't be surprised if the story given by the other owner is completely different from yours.  After all you are the one with the big, mean, vicious doberman pinscher.  It must have been Q who initiated the violence, right?  After all, those dogs are bred to be vicious. (end sarcasm)  Sometimes the media fed stereotype of the doberman can be its worst enemy.  Hopefully the reputation of the dobie in NZ has not been stereotyped as it has with many here in the American South.

Hope you guys get well soon.

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OMG Ria.. I am so so sorry this happend to you and Q.
.. When Sofia got attacked by her former pal Milo, it was the most terrifying thing I had ever encountered.. the feeling of helplessness still haunts me at times..
I did spray water on both of them after I hauled the two (locked at each other's throats) out to my back yard.. Blood and bits of fur were flying around and until my neighbor physically pryed Milo's mouth open did Sofia let go.
Please please get documentation going, if only for someone else's sake. Poor poor Q.. poor poor Ria. You have already received lots of really good suggestions and advice and please know that all of your Forum family love you both and are praying for a quick recovery. 

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I don't know if it is legal in NZ for citizens to carry pepper spray, and I don't know what the reaction of a dog would be, but if it is anything like the reaction on a human, it would certainly end the other dog's interest in fighting. Unfortunately, Q would probably get some effect also. It would also help control the other owner, should he decide to take a hand.

I know a lot of women in the U.S. carry it all the time for protection. I saw a documentary made at the factory where they make it, and it certainly takes the fight out of someone. It causes quite painful burning of the eyes, but it causes no permanent harm. You might want to discuss it with the local authorities and also your vet friend down in Auckland. You might get a more honest opinion from Auckland.

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Update on Q
Apparently the attacking dog was a 'pig dog' I dont know if you have these in the states. They are a sometimes 'prized breed' to hunters who will take these dogs out into the bush to hunt pigs (with tusks)
The enviremental services can not now find this dog, as he is no longer with the walker/owner who claims 'it wasnt his, and he was just looking after it for a friend of a friend.
Thanks rgreen...I like the idea of pepper spray but its not legal here, nothing wrong with carrying a pot of pepper though? Other people have also suggested turning the dogs tail in an oppersite direction and one other idea is a finger up the dogs bottom :D Not sure about trying that one.
Thanks Lady Kate....big smoochies to you to. I did ring you after the earthquake but got that silly female saying 'questo numeral esta..yada yada yada.
Freya's dad...even though dobes are rare here...they do still have that reputation...old ladies that put their heads through my car window to pat Q...quickly recede when you tell them what breed it is. And for some reason Q is a kiddie magnet...little people appear from nowhere...gosh they run quick :D :D 'horsie, horsie and want to climb over him :)
Lori I agree that training and socialsing are important... Ive made sure all his encounters this week have been good ones and he dosnt seem to carry a grudge about it which i am thankful for.

Q's neck looks awful at the moment, mainly from his fur being shaved inorder to see the puncture wounds clearly. The scars look horrid...I hope the fur grows back ok and i'm applying bio oil of a night time along with a couple of drops of homeopathic arnica to aid healing in his food. Apart from that physically he isnt 100% but gettting there.
Thanks once again...and salutes to people around the world. Its our ANZAC day today and I took Q to The Dawn parade where he was of course a model dog :D

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Glad to hear he's doing well! 

Sounds like someone realized they were going to be in some trouble and quickly got rid of a dog....

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So glad to hear he's on the mend.. I know it's traumatizing for both owner and dog.. Sofia wasn't right til she saw Milo a couple of days later and knew he would be battered and scarred but alive. It was a deadly struggle, and  Sofia knew she had the upper hand ( jaw). She's extremely sensitive and had to see for herself that she didn't do any irreversible damage. She still has scars on her muzzle and back leg where he bit her. ( I don't point them out when we're primping to go out.)
I'm thinking Q has all but forgotten the incident and is living in his glorious NOW with his glorious Mum.
Sorry about the Mexican phone lines.. there is an extension you have to dial once you receive the questa numero.. It's 210.
Cheers to you sweet Ria..good to hear from you!! I will send you pictures of a house we're thinking about aquiring.

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You did what u could.

glad you are both ok, could have been bad.

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How terrible! I hope you and Q are doing ok! 


I hate to hear stories like this!  It is always the responsible dog owners who pay the price... good dogs get attacked and the attackers go missing... Hope you both heal quickly!

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Thanks guys

Q returned to his normal 'Q' self Sophie however is still cautious with all strangers...dogs and humans..

sorry i havnt been on here for a while, i hope you are all doing great?

Ria

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It is good to hear from you again. Hope you have had a pleasant winter down there.

I hope you didn't incur any damage from the Quake.

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Its lovely to see you again too Mr Green, we didnt get any quakes on the north island....but they took it pretty hard on the south and the after shakes are still going on.