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Well, I posted many weeks ago telling about Zoey, my soon to be new red/rust girl. Well Wednesday Aug. 25th I picked her up on her 8 week birthday. My girlfriend rode with me, and Zoey slept in her lap the whole way home (about an hour and 15 min drive) with no car sickness, potty accidents, or barking.

Zoey is such a sweetheart, especially when she is tired, although she frequently confuses kisses with nibbles. Day one she mastered following me out the door and up and down the four steps on our deck. She chases and stalks my 10 year old beagle mix in the back yard like theyve been friends forever. Night 1 Zoey fell asleep on my chest while I was watching TV, so we went outside for a potty break and then to bed, where she slept for 5 hours before needing to go to the bathroom, which she woke me up to tell me, believe it or not. Day 2 Zoey mastered following my beagle up and down the 13 basement stairs like a pro and has no fear of them whatsoever. Night 2, Zoey had mastered the "go to bed" command with my pointing finger, into her crate and laid down, that is until the crate door was closed!!!

Zoey started crying, then howling, then barking, then just plain screaming to the point it sounded like she was being attacked. After about an hour of non-stop screaming, I let herout and into bed with me. We have been working on crating Zoey for brief periods (1-3 hours) over the last few days, and she seems to be calming down much sooner after being closed in the crate, and last night, after screaming for 30 mins, Zoey finally went to sleep for several hours with the door closed. I honestly was, and still am somewhat, worried that Zoey is deathly afraid of being alone and will not take to the crate, but I am optimistic and Im gonna keep trying.

As for potty training, Zoey is wonderful about going potty outside, so long as I follow the rule of taking her out immediately after waking up and eating. As for when she does go inside, she heads right for the scattered potty pads we have laying on the kitchen floor, and bless her heart her aim is improving as she started by peeing precisely on the edge of the pads.

So all that being said Im super excited about having Zoey, and Im determined to give her the time she needs to learn and adapt to her new environment. If anyone has any tips for speeding up the crate training process Im definitely open to ideas lol.

Thanks everyone for the encouragement and support, and Ill definitely keep everyone updated!!

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those eyes!!!

One thing that I would recommend with the crate, is to ignore fully.  She'll get used to it, and it will be hard at first, but if you go to her while she's crying, even if she's crying for a long time, what that's doing is telling her if she keeps crying, eventually you'll come.  When you put her in the crate, don't look at her, talk to her, go to her, or anything else like that.  Maybe try putting a shirt, or pants or something closeby so she can get your scent.  Also make sure the crate is just big enough for her to stand, lay down, and turn around.  Any bigger than that and she'll likely make a mess.  It looks like a good size, hard to tell in the pic.

At this age, do not bring her into bed. This will cause big problems down the road.

If you give her the chance, she will continue to amaze you every day.  Give her the love she craves, and you'll have a lifelong companion that will be loyal and loving unconditionally.

Get ready for some work, caring for a doberman is intense, and will test your patience at times.  Stay strong, and keep going, because as she learns it will get easier.  

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Thanks so much KevinK. I really thought I was being mean by ignoring her in the crate at night. I kinda figured giving in and going to her would teach her that she could get what she wanted. I have her in a full size wire crate at night with a divider in the middle to reduce the overall size, and I have a black sheet draped over the crate and a couple of my socks in the crate, along with one or two small chew toys. I have never in my life heard a dog scream the way Zoey does when she first goes into her crate at night, and it really does break my heart, but i have faith in her and i THINK she is slowly getting better.

Thats why I love this website and the people on it, within minutes I receive encouragement and support that lets me know Im not alone :)

 

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No prob!

It took Dakota a few days to settle down, and now she never barks or makes noise in the crate unless there's a bear outside, then it's all bets off lol.  If this is your first dobe, you'll quickly learn the level of intelligence is scary.  I would recommend NEVER taking her out of the crate unless she's calm.  Loud, crazy behavior should not be rewarded, and going to the crate is rewarding the behavior, which in your pups mind is good!  Our first 2 days were rough, we put a fan on in our bedroom so we couldn't hear the barking.  After that, she was pretty much fine.  It won't be long until Zoey realizes that there's zero benefit for her to bark in her crate, so she'll stop.  Ignoring her in there is not mean, and she will grow to enjoy her crate.  When Dakota is out, I always leave the door open, so if she wants to go in there she can, and I keep a few toys in there, like you do.  Thos stuffed animals won't last too long, I would recommend some harder toys, maybe a rope, or hard plastic type of thing.  That way she won't choke at night after she rips them apart.  We got a little bed for Dakota from my friend, and no bs it was ripped to pieces within about 10 seconds of leaving her alone with it lol.  Their teeth grow in like needles.

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Yeah the needle teeth are no joke!!! I got a kiss with a quick nibble that sliced the tip of my nose open the first night she was at home, but it was obviously unintentional.

As for the toys, we went to PetSmart and spent over $100 on toys the day before she came home. We got several of the highly recommended Kong brand toys, several rope toys, several nylabones, and a couple cheap stuffed toys that have held up fairly well so far. Her favorite toys is my old tube sock with a knot tied in the middle, go figure!

 

Thanks again so much for the advice, it will not be forgotten!!

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You're welcome.  If you have any questions, let us know, and keep us posted with updates, we love to hear them

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Hi Hoosierdobie191!  Thanks for letting us know about your new girl!  OMG, I love the picture of her in the car.  She has a beautiful, sweet face and gorgeous legs. She is a doll!  I am very happy for you.  I call Ginger "Legs Louie" because she is all legs and they are beauties!  :)  

I can only reinforce what KevinK has offered.  Do not let her out of her crate until she is calm.  She may really test you by pitching a fit but just ignore her as if you don't hear it. Ginger did that the first couple of nights we had her, but she settled down as soon as she knew that we weren't giving in and she was fine after that.  Believe me, you will thank yourself later.  She will definitely test you.  Even as a baby, Ginger terrorized our other dog, a small American Eskimo (who was extremely patient - up to a point).  Lexy, however, has always been quietly dominant.  Ginger will chase her and bark in her face through the great room but stop on a dime just before the kitchen doorway to let Lexy enter first.  It is a riot.  As you have discovered, they play very rough.  My niece came over when Ginger was a puppy to see my new dog.  I think she was expecting this sweet, quiet little baby!  Ginger would jump on her, then dart away before she could be corrected, come back and do it all over again.  She caught my niece on her finger just right with those baby teeth and my niece's finger bled. The only time she was an angel was when she was tuckered out or sleeping.  She has been the best dog I have ever had, though.  You will love little Zoey more than you can imagine. 

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test is not the word!! lol.  Dakota knows what's up at this point with certain things, and she'll go to do them, look over her shoulder to see if i'm looking, and either way sometimes she'll still do it to see what she can get away with lol.  When she doesn't feel like listening, I'll tell her sit for example, she'll look at me, give a big snort, and just flop on her but.  Consistency is definitely key, if you let your pup get away with something, she will try it again.

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Wow Hoosier.. Your post got buried.. Sorry it took me so long to find you. So happy for you and Zoey!! And a big old Gentle Doberman Forum welcome.

She is about as precious as they come and from the looks of that back foot.. Woozier.. she's gunna be a big gal.

Have fun.. Take lots of pictures.. She will be growing so fast, you'll wonder what happened to that itty bitty baby sleeping on your chest, when you're resting your head on her haunches..

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OMG! She is soooooo precious! Lucian's first few days home was very very busy.  There were a few accidents and many trips to PetSmart for different treats and toys.  Does Zoey cry for her littermates at night?  Lucian did that for the first couple of weeks and I tried to comfort him and show him as much love as possible.  Lucian loves his Kong toys too especially the ones with spikes on them.  As for crate training, it took Lucian awhile to get use to his but now he loves it.  He actually prefers sleeping in there then sleeping on the couch.  I bought him a very comfy bed designed to fit a crate and loaded it with some toys so he actually doesn't mind being in there.  I think the first month is the hardest because everyone is still adjusting to a new environment and a new pup.  She is a gorgeous girl!  Please keep posting more pics!

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Thank you guys so much for all of the support. Zoey is finally getting used to, or maybe just tolerating, going in her crate for bedtime. The screaming and barking have slowly turned to whining and whimpering, and last night only last about 10 minutes before she decided she was wasting her time and quieted down. I think the little extra time during the day between the time i go to work and the time my girlfriend gets off of work that Zoey spends in her crate helps too because she realizes she's not gonna be stuck in there forever. And I even caught her going in her crate and laying down on her own today, so i know all of that screaming and barking was for attention and just an act, and that the crate isnt all that bad after all.

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they have a natural desire to sleep and rest in a protected area, that's why dogs in the wild sleep in a cave or some type of den.  Sleeping out in the open leaves too many bad possibilities and dangers.  Like you said, it's about attention.  If you have a wire kennel, try draping a blanket or towel over the top and sides so it feels more covered.

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HosierDobe191 - I had to stop I was laughing so hard at this:

I have never in my life heard a dog scream the way Zoey does when she first goes into her crate at night...

It is true, it is hard to imagine how such a loud shrill noise can come from such a small animal. But then you have never been around newborn infants. (I haven't been around them much) That is mother natures way of letting mama or the caretaker know there is a problem. (In the wild, only the Alpha male and female wolves breed, but the rest of the pack helps raise the litter)

They learn very early on, probably about the time their eyes open, if the scream, mama comes to investigate.

It's not that she was afraid of the crate, she did not want to be separated from you. This is is bonding time and she will bond to one of you in a big way. Their nickname is Velcro Dogs and you will find out as she grows up just why they are called that.

You might want to find something other than an old sock to give her, they have enough of a sock fetish as it is and you will find if you leave your bedroom door open and your socks on the floor, they will be spread about the house. May will no longer have toes in them.

I took Princess with me when I visited friends in Texas, and Jane had a lot of stuffed animals for her dogs to play with, and when we were not looking, Princess in no time had eviscerated the stuffed rabbit and there was stuffing all over the living room floor. The rabbit was laying in the middle of it with a gaping void in the middle. While Princess was making up with Jane's husband, I was picking up stuffing and Jane got out her bag of stuffing, needle and thread and repaired poor Mr. Rabbit.

When she was through, I put it up on top of the TV and turned around to note the amber eyes of HRH Princess was watching every move. She wanted that rabbit back, but now it was up too high for her. I long ago gave up on anything with stuffing, including pads, even with foam rubber. She and Red are both bad about eating their pads. I have gone to rugs and towels in their crates. They last longer.

About the kisses with nibbles. When she does that, scream and feign an injury. It will startle her and she will begin to realize that when she nibbles you it hurts and she will stop. Puppies do it to each other, and even Princess and Red occasionally bite each other hard enough to get a yelp out of the other. Red will still on rare ocassion kiss with teeth, but rarely and Princes not at all.

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Hi Hoosierdobe191, sounds like you have it licked now.  If Zoey is going in her crate on her own to lay down, she is comfortable with it as her safe place.  Then ten minutes will turn into zero soon and she won't fuss at all.  Good job!