24 replies [Last post]
143itzel's picture
Offline
Joined: 2015-02-25

Pet Profiles

I was passing through California and I came across a Doberman Pincher . I had been contemplating on purchasing a puppy this year . I'm worried I might have bitten more than I can chew. I have been reading about puppy Doberman care and I am not worried. The puppy is four weeks and the person had the father and mother on site. I did mention that is was too soon to let the puppies go but the man said that mom was longer feeding the puppies and that in fact the puppies had been eating for a couple of days. I was so excited and failed think about the alerts (as I have read) . I want to raise a happy healthy pup, a new member of the family . As an child I had a Doberman and he was a sweetheart he was with the family for 13 years and was a gental big baby. I was to give my daughter the same experience; however, I'm afraid the puppy might have been jeopardized by leaving to soon. I have already scheduled an appointment with the vet, but I'm terrified that he might get sick if I take him out considering his age and the age he needs to be in order for the vet to vaccinate Angus. 

Please any advise is helpful; like I said I want this baby to be a part of our life for a long time .

WNCDobes's picture
Offline
Joined: 2012-04-28

Surely I am not reading that you have a 4 week old pup.  I don't believe its even legal to sell a pup that young.  TAKE IT BACK TO ITS MOTHER!!!

DJ's Dad's picture
Offline
Joined: 2010-10-04

Pet Profiles

4 weeks is WAY too young to be leaving the mother.  Whoever you got this puppy from did that little dog some emotional and nutritional harm.  For sure.

143itzel's picture
Offline
Joined: 2015-02-25

Pet Profiles

I believe I will be taking Angus back to parents. I'm worried; Angus has been away from his parents for 4 days. Those of you with experience, will this harm Angus? Will parents still take him in? I should have done research before I jumped in to this ! what ignorance will do! I want to be able to protect Angus and the rest of the litter does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do? I am worried about the all the puppies, I overheard him say that there were ten in the litter; I counted eight with my Angus, and he said someone had picked her up last week. which means that the puppy was only three weeks.

I will be typing up a letter detailing everything and it will be notarized, does anyone know what else I should do to ensure I get my Angus back and that the rest and future puppies are protected? 

143itzel's picture
Offline
Joined: 2015-02-25

Pet Profiles

Its not in 22 U.S.. states. I should have don't research before I brought Angus home. I'm worried the breeder wont let me take him back or that he wont let me pick him back up. I'm researching what I can do to ensure I can get him back in a month and what I can do to ensure that not only Angus but the rest of his siblings are protected .

DJ's Dad's picture
Offline
Joined: 2010-10-04

Pet Profiles

If you think this breeder is 'questionable' in that you might not get your puppy back at the end of, say 8 weeks of age (7.5 weeks at the very soonest) you might want to discuss it with him before returning the puppy.  Have papers drawn up for them to sign stating that you have already paid for the pup and you are only returning him until he is old enough to leave his mother...you will be picking him up on such-and-such date. Keep a copy of these signed papers.  Explain to them that you feel the pup needs to remain with the mother and littermates until it's a little older because he needs to be, not because you dont want him.  Just because a puppy is able to eat solid or semi-solid food at 4 weeks of age is definitely not a reason to let it go.  Even if the pups no longer are nursing from the mother, they learn so many important aspects of proper behavior, bite inhibition, social skills, etc just from being around the mother and other littermates.  Not to mention, this pup is too young for it's shots yet.

I think you are making a wise decision.

143itzel's picture
Offline
Joined: 2015-02-25

Pet Profiles

What should I, should he refuse to take him back?

I live in AZ and this person in CA what can I do to make sure that Angus is healthy and safe in worst case senerio?

DJ's Dad's picture
Offline
Joined: 2010-10-04

Pet Profiles

Well, there's always the option of KEEPING him and trying your absolute best to make sure all his needs are met.  If I lived that far away and was afraid I might not get him back, should I choose to drive to the place he came from and then back again in 3 - 4 weeks, I might be tempted to contact a good breeder locally for some suggestions.  Add to that, a call or a trip to a good vet.  Nobody says it cant be done....just not the best thing to do, take a puppy --any breed of puppy--  at so young an age. Just keep in mind that this little puppy is more like an infant than anything else right now, and is going t need a lot of 'mothering and training' that he normally would have gotten from his canine family.

143itzel's picture
Offline
Joined: 2015-02-25

Pet Profiles

Thank you so very much for your help. I am so upset just plain disappointed at the man, but most of all with myself for being so ignorant . I am trying to get in contact with the previous owner; I have left voice messages and text messages as far as my thoughts intentions and concerns .

I am also looking up local breeders incase I am unsuccessful in getting a hold of this man.

Thank you again

DJ's Dad's picture
Offline
Joined: 2010-10-04

Pet Profiles

"Live and Learn".  :)   Dont beat yourself up over it now, just try to make the best of it.  Good luck with your puppy, no matter if you take him back for a few weeks or keep him and work it out.

tess's picture
Offline
Joined: 2012-01-28

Pet Profiles

 

I'm going to take a different approach. Agreed 4 weeks is WAY too young but it is doable. First I recommend you go to a vet. Second, ask the vet if he knows of any "new" litters. Doesn't matter what breed. Then contact that owner. See if you could give your puppy over to that breeder and offer too pay. A lot of other dogs would not mind another mouth to feed. Mother dogs are really pretty good. I wish you luck and shame on the "greeder" that sold you your puppy. 

 

tess's picture
Offline
Joined: 2012-01-28

Pet Profiles

I don't mean to permanently give up your dog just a month so he can learn what only another dog can teach.

karie's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-10-10

Pet Profiles

  i agree with tess returning the pup to an already neglegent breeder might cause more harm than good . find a new litter close by for a few weeks so your pup learns to be a dog ! good luck and keep us posted.

143itzel's picture
Offline
Joined: 2015-02-25

Pet Profiles

Hi everyone;

I decided to keep my Angus.

I took him to a  vet and he is in great health and well on track with appetite . I have field a compliant on that gosh-for-saken breeder. He is doing well with Natures Choice kibble. He has doubled in size and wight since I first brought him home. But yes, I have been looking for a playmate for him because he will not stop bitting. I now know why the puppies need to be with mom, and that is to teach them the importance of sensitivity/manners. 

seven weeks now and adorable, I will be sharing some pictures with y'all soon

143itzel's picture
Offline
Joined: 2015-02-25

Pet Profiles

This was him @4weeks

143itzel's picture
Offline
Joined: 2015-02-25

Pet Profiles

5 to 6 weeks

143itzel's picture
Offline
Joined: 2015-02-25

Pet Profiles

6 to 7 weeks

WNCDobes's picture
Offline
Joined: 2012-04-28

After reading the subsequent posts and thinking about it some more, I'm glad you kept the pup and ignored my post.  I think now that you've done the right thing (not that my opinion is the end all and be all).  You sound like you've got Angus' best interests at heart and are doing whatever you can for him.  He's cute as a button!

Hopefully someone will take your complaint seriously.

Please accept my apology for jumping to conclusions and being so blunt (and perhaps a little obnoxious).  

karie's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-10-10

Pet Profiles

  he is soooooooo cute !!!!

143itzel's picture
Offline
Joined: 2015-02-25

Pet Profiles

No worries WNCDobes; I researched after the fact, when I should have done so before. I thank you all for helping understand and educating me a little more.

Like I mentioned before, Angus is family and we are going to work 110% to make sure it stays that way.

But any advise anyone may have in regards to training, please feel free.

At the moment we do treats:

Every time he does his business out side the house.

Every time he sits and waits patiently for the crate to open.

Every time he sits on our directive.

I am researching on biting right now. We cant get him to measure his bite and we are all scratched up :) (so any advise is welcomed; I hope a playmate might help)

 

DJ's Dad's picture
Offline
Joined: 2010-10-04

Pet Profiles

He's beautiful!

Danielleak's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-12-11

Pet Profiles

Our bane is now 13 wks and I a little nipper!! We do a quick stern no and redirect with a chew toy.  If he is just insane, we will kennel him with a few ice cubes.  Our older lex loves this too, we will put peanut butter in his kong and freeze overnight. They will chew and chew till there's not a bit left.  Angus is soooo cute! I will agree that research first is always best but that's not always perfect either. We researched banes breeder and heard all good things. Now we know we rescued him not adopted him. You went with your heart, you knew something was wrong. Thank you for saving that little pup! He looks so happy!!

143itzel's picture
Offline
Joined: 2015-02-25

Pet Profiles

Thank you Danielleak;

I am now doing the stern No! with toy, and like you mentioned if he is just off the walls and will not stop with the NO! I too, kennel him. I just started a spray of water to the muzzle with a stern No! and that will get him to stop right away. Sure he has rebelled a couple of times by urinating on the floor a few feet away from me, after I said no and sprayed him. He just started pull up the threading on the couches; and because he wont stop at no; we decided no more couch for him. So he doesn't like that very much . He got up set after a half day of constant No! and a few spray's; he was so upset that he urinated a few feet away from me not once but twice while I was trying to keep him from chewing on things. (smart and cranky that little one! )

 

Thank you for the advise, I will take the peanut butter; I have heard a lot about it. (as soon as the vet ok's it)

Danielleak's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-12-11

Pet Profiles

Those crazy kids!!  It makes me wonder why some people say dogs are not smart.  They really are the average toddler huh!!

karie's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-10-10

Pet Profiles

 my trainer told me a trick that really works with sunna .take a 12 oz coke can clean and dry add 15 pennies no more no less [ makes a certain sound they don't like ] tape up the hole keep on hand when your pup is doing bad things like digging , getting into the garbage chewing something not allowed try to throw it in their direction without them seeing it coming from you .it scares the begebes out of them . think it is coming from sky everytime they will get the idea to not do that anymore . the can is light enough to not hurt them if it does hit them but most of all they hate the sound . i keep several around the house so they re handy ! let me know if it works for you .