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I've been reading this site for weeks as we waited for our new puppy to be ready come home with us. First, let me say that the articles and forum here have been the most helpful of any I have found online. Thanks so much for an extremely valuable resource.

Yesterday was the big day so I thought it was time for me to finally create an account. Raleigh is an 8-week-old black and rust female from an established breeder in our area. We knew she was the one for us from the start and she continues to prove that.

We picked her up yesterday afternoon and she bonded with my 17-year-old daughter all the way home. We've been diligent with house breaking and have had no "accidents" yet. She has a hearty appitite, likes to play and chew but tires quickly and sleeps soundly... for a little while.

Last night I let her fall asleep in my lap and then transfered her to a bed in a crate next to our bed. She slept from 10 pm until 3 am and began to howl. I jumped up, dressed and carried her outside. She sqirmed all the way and immediately urinated a couple of times. When I tried to get her to lay down in the crate and go to sleep, the crying ensued. So I took her in the den and let her sleep the rest of the night on my lap while I slept in the easy chair. She woke up at 6:30 ready for another bathroom break, breakfast and playtime.

I work from home and we are running a cycle this morning of napping at my feet, potty breaks, brief play periods and napping again. She comes to me when I get down and call her and happily follows me, my wife and daughter around the house. She has toys and flavored nylabones and seems to enjoy them... briefly.

We have a 5-year-old Morkie (Maltese-Yorkshire) who is very tolerant of her but Raleigh doesn't seem to know what to make of this fuzzy little beast.

30 years ago I had large male Dobie who was the smartest dog I've ever known. I wanted another one for several reasons: I work from home and want an active companion dog; she will need lots of exercise and so do I; when I travel my wife will have that extra security watching over her.

We plan to carefully train her and socialize her as much as we possibly can. I look forward to learning more from all of you. Thanks again fro being such a wonderful resource!

I have one question: What are your opinions on how to bed her down at night? I don't want to make her fearful of the crate because I will have to leave her in it for 2-3 hours per day from time to time as I go out on appointments. Tonight I'm considering leashing her to our bed on her doggie bed next to me as suggested in The Art of Raising a Puppy by the Monks of New Skete. That way I can hear her and take her out but she doesn't have to be locked in the crate until she gets used to it. Do you have any other suggestions?

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Welcome to this great forum, Raleigh's Dad and Raleigh.  Gosh, it seems like just yesterday that my Ziva was only 8 weeks old...they sure grow up quickly.  Just wanted to give you a "hello" but I dont have any advice about the crate.  Ziva has slept in our bed with us from day one.

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I had the problem of craters guilt... there are great forum topics about it on here- I myself- let him fall asleep and then carry him and put him down in the crate.... when he was whining i ignored even though it was hard and wasnt sure if it was apotty cry...  Now I know the difference and he loves his crate - it's his quiet get away!

Welcome!

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Here's a picture from last night.

Here's one I just took.

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Oh my goodness what a lovely girl she is.. sounds like she's getting the potty training down really early.. that's outstanding.. welcome to the Forum and we sure do look forward to many stories and adventures with your new baby. ( No advice re: crate, as Sofia came to us when she was all grown up and has never been crated here with us..) she loves her 'tuffet' until we leave the sofa, then she takes it over.

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Welcome.  She is ADORABLE!!

I too have crate guilt I have to admit.   I have the top half off of the crate with the bottom of it and her favorite rug in it next to my bed where I put her when she gets sleepy at night.  During the day for naptime she just walks over to it and goes in and goes to sleep. The minute she wakes up, it's outside to potty and she's getting it. I do have the advantage of being home with her to keep and eye on her lightning fast capability of getting in trouble i.e. chewing walls, etc. that puppies do. My house looks like I have a few toddlers around here with all the (doggie) toys laying around, and I'm in heaven! Enjoy your puppy!

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Welcome!

 

We crate Rocky but only during the day while we are at work and have since day 1.  Since you are attempting to crate her at night and still be home don't get in the habit of allowing her to sleep with you because she whines.  If you start that now she will whine everytime and it becomes harder to break her of it. 

 

Let her cry, she isn't hurting she just doesn't like being alone.  We put Rocky's crate beside our bed in the corner with the door open at night for a couple months.  I could hear when he got up so the first week or two I could let him out but after that he started sleeping though the night fine and we replaced the bed-side crate with a doggie bed for him.  The crate moved to the far side of the room.  

 

Good luck with your new addition! 

 

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Beautiful Girl!

Try to get her to go into the crate on her own.  Try inticing her with treats, tell her "go to bed" or something similar.  If she cries it is important that you ignore her for two reasons. 1. If you comfort her with your voice your are actually reassuring the behavior...kind of like its ok girl I understand you should feel like that. 2. If you give into her crying then she will never learn to be in the crate by herself and learn that if she puts up enough of a protest you will eventually give in.

If she whines right away ignore her.  You can try a quick rap on the crate and tell her "enough, quiet, shhh" or something similar.  You can also try putting a blanket over the crate to make it feel more secure feeling.  If she starts whining during the night she probably has to go out.  So take her out and put her right back in the crate and of course ignore her when she starts crying.  She has to learn that she needs to sleep through the night with no more than a potty break or two.  Sooner than you might think she will stop crying and and know that its bedtime.  Also, you can put a toy or two in with her (something she can play with without supervision) to help her entertain herself when she gets bored.

The first couple times it will be hard to let her cry but it will be worth it!

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Thanks for all the advice. I appreciate every comment. As an update, I have the crate next to my desk and the bed is so comfy, she went in there on her own. Then I closed the door slightly, then completely. I let her investigate the sound of the metal latch until she was comfortable with that. Later when she went to sleep I went out for a quick errand and she was still soundly sleeping when I returned.


I've also let her drag a leash around the house today and will probably use that to tie her to our bed this evening on her doggie bed. That way she can't roam around but she's not locked in the crate all night initially. After she gets used to the crate during the day (I can put up with the crying easier during the day) we will shift to night time crating. When she is fully house trained, I plan to let her sleep on a dog bed in our room anyway.

This is a lot of work but I'm sure it will be worth it as our little girl grows up and becomes a vital part of our family.

 

 

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OMG, what a doll!!!  She is a real beauty.  If I may, don't let her tug on your heart strings as far as sleepy/crate time.  As soon as we got Ginger, we had a crate downstairs and a crate in the bedroom.  When we would go upstairs, in the crate she would go.  The first couple of nights when we put her in her crate, she would bark and cry, but we just had to pretend that we didn't hear it and let her go on for as long as was necessary for her to "get" that we weren't budging.  And then it stopped, just like that.  She must learn that you are in charge, not her, and that you expect her to behave.  She will come to know her crate as her own space.  Raleigh is a honey; she would be hard to resist!

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UPDATE: The second night wasn't quite so bad. I took the monks' approach from The Art of Raising a Puppy and leashed her to the bed right beside me last night. When she whimpered loud enough to wake me up, I would reach down and stroke her for a few seconds just to let her know I was there and she went back to sleep. We did this maybe three times through the night. At about 5, I could tell that she really need to go to out so we did that and just stayed up for breakfast, another potty break and a little play time. Within a little while it was time for another nap. My ultimate goal when she is reliably house-broken is for her to sleep on a pet bed in our bedroom.

Crate training is coming along. I put her in the crate in my office where she can see me. She howls for a little while and then goes to sleep. At least she is going in on her own.

I have a couple of other questions please. First, what are your opinions concerning using treats in early training? She has such a short attention span right now but I am working on "sit," "come" and "down" for just a few minutes at a time. Of course I want her to do these later without treats so is it wrong to use them now?

Second, at what stage do most vets do ear cropping? I have a vet lined up in the area who was recommended by the breeder and has years of experience. When I called his office, an assitant told me he does them at 12 weeks. From what I've read elsewhere, some consider that late. What is typical or does this vary from vet to vet?

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Sounds like your crate training is coming along great!

I always used treats for early training.  It gets the pup's attention and holds it, especially if they are food-driven.  Works best if they haven't had their kibble yet and are a little on the hungry side.  The only drawback to treat-training is that you have to wean the treats down after awhile and only use them sporadically, when your pup isnt expecting it, or you could end up with a dog that will only obey certain commands if there is food involved.  Treats are the attention getter and the reward for correct responses.

My vet only crops between the ages of 8 - 10 weeks, but I have heard of some that will wait till 12 weeks.  I've never waited that long to have cropping done on any of my dobes, though.

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Raleigh looks Great!!...and Buddy just shook his head up and down in agreement, also..lol....welcome to forum and keep those pics coming!!

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If the vet is within easy driving range, I would make an appointment and let him examine Raleigh's ears. My vet likes to thoroughly feel the pups ears to judge how the cartilage is developing. Then he sets the time. Most often it has worked out to 12 weeks. I would be leary of going beyond 13 as that lessens the likelyness of them standing properly.

With Princess, her ears were cropped at 12 weeks, she wore the cup on her head for about a week and then her ears were standing after being posted for only 1 additional week. That is the shortest I have ever had to post, as most often it is 4 to 6 weeks. It was the first time my vet put a cup on one of my Dobes and I think it helped.

Hmmm - you have a Morkie. Are there any Mindys around? Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up.

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Thanks to all for your encouragment and suggestions. Raliegh is doing pretty well overnight after the third night, sleeping on her bed tethered to my bed. When she wakes up and whimpers, I reach down and pat her and she seems comforted that she is not alone and goes back to sleep. One time out in the middle of the night. I opened the back door, she did it fast and right back in (it was cold!) and she got back to sleep pretty quick. I like to think she's getting that night time is our sleep time. Up at 5:30 ravinously hungry!

She drives the Morkie (yeah we should have named Raleigh Mindy) crazy but the old girl lets the pup know that she is the queen of the house. It's really funny to watch Raleigh try to play with her. She thinks that puff of a tail is a toy.

Raleigh also seems to drink alot. She can't pass the water dish without stopping to drink for what seems like minutes. Sometimes I just pick her up and move her away because I don't want her to bloat herself. Is this typical behavior?

I really like her temperatment so far. She's not fearful and doesn't seem to startle easily. She jumps at sudden noises but doesn't cower. However, she doesn't appear too agressive either. She rarely growls and I have yet to hear a real bark. It may be too early to judge.

The vet is 40 miles away. That's a good idea to talk let him examine her first. When I called, I spoke to an assistant that obviously didn't know much about the proceedure. I think I will call back and ask to leave a message for him to call me at his convenience to discuss. If he is willing to examine her prior to 12 weeks, I'll take her down there.

 

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Drinking a lot seems to go with Dobermans. I have a 5 quart stainless steel water pan, and I have to fill it three times a day with only the two Dobies having access to it. Since I only fill it to about a gallon, that's about three gallons a day between the two. I have personally seen Red drink three quarts at a single time when he has been outside for a while. When he is finished, I then have to refill it for Princess.

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Here's a funny picture of Raleigh taken last night. She is sound asleep.


She had her first appoinment with our local vet today and was deemed a very healthy puppy except for a little puppy pyodema on her belly which we will treat with a medicated shampoo. She had another vaccination and came home exhausted.

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Too Precious! I want another one already!

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We are all set. Next Monday we are going to Dallas for cropping. The vet who will do the proceedure owns two Dobermans and shows them so I believe she is a good choice for the surgery. I found her by speaking with a board member of the Dallas Doberman Club.

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Glad to hear all the training is giong well - I did much like you with Rocky, he was beside our bed at night.  He did exactly what yours is doing too, an occasional wimper and you just reach down and let them know you're right there and off to sleep he'd go.  It was probably about week 3 (15 weeks old) that he began regularly sleeping through the entire night without waking me until the alarm went off. 

 

treats are a great way to teach them when they are young as they learn when they make you happy they get a reward. They will learn to want to please you.   My current dog's ears were not cropped but the one I had many years ago had his done at about 11-12 weeks I believe.  His stood fine after about a week of taping....

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I may have to keep the vet in mind if I ever get another puppy. Even though I now live in South Georgia, I grew up in Houston and lived in Dallas (Farmer Branch) from 1970 to 1976. Although I don't have any real close relatives in Texas anymore, I have some very good friends in Nacogdoches with whom I usually spend Christmas. My schedule (Scouting) won't permit that this year, but I was able to spend several days with them in April as well as last Christmas.

You know you have good friends when they tell you to bring your 1 year old Doberman along with you, crate and all. She had a ball on Christmas day as my friends were the family host last year and had all the kids over. We only let Princess out for short periods, we didn't want her in sensory overload, nor did we want to have to puppy proof the table during the grazing.

Below is a picture my friend took when we wrapped a throw she had made around Her Royal Highness. Jane makes these for almost everyone and every chair in the living room has one. This was on her husbands chair, and he was taking a nap. Princess started sniffing it, and I wrapped it around her. The captions were added by my friend.

I may get over before Christmas this year, if not in the spring. Plus, I have several classmate friends in the Dallas area. I was over there in April for our 45th reunion at A&M.

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rgreen,

I grew up near Nacogdoches. East Texas is a great place and life is much slower there than in the DFW area. Farmer's Branch is very near the vet where I will take Raleigh next week for her crop. It's a little drive but its not a big deal since she has two show dobes and has a great understanding of the breed. I'll post an update Monday. Also, my youngest daughter who is now a HS senior just received an acceptance letter to A&M this week. We have several aggies in our family but my wife and I are Longhorns. Tonight's game should be a good one.

Raleigh seems to have enjoyed her first Thanksgiving Day with so much family in the house. She's had lots of socialization with both children and adults. However all this noise and activity has interrupted her long naps and thus she spent a large part of the day dozing on my lap. She tasted her first bites of turkey and decided she is a fowl fan.

She will be 8 weeks on Saturday and we are going through the same trials and travails of puppyhood others are discussing, mouthing, biting, chewing, pooping, and general "hard-headedness." It's good to know what we are experiencing is normal for the breed. All the same she is a great girl and I couldn't be more proud of her. She just needs lots of attention and constant supervision. I keep reminding our family that though she is already larger than our other dog she is still just a baby.

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Reminds me of when I brought Cindy home as an 8 week old puppy in 1998. I have a female Min. Schnauzer who was height challenged. Poor Heidi, for once there was a dog in the house shorter than she was, but not for long. Within a few weeks, Cindy was taller and within a month really looking down on poor Heidi. One can only imagine what Heidi was thinking, "Will that dog ever stop growing?".

I was going to post an image of horns cut off but decided not to.

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It's been a warm fall here in North Texas and we've not used much heat in our home yet. This afternoon there was a chill in the den and we turned on our gas fireplace. Raleigh was facinated. After sniffing for a while, she curled up in a ball as close to it as she could to the fire and went into a coma sleep. I think she's really going to enjoy the fire on our winter evenings.

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One more. This is Raleigh (8 weeks) and Mocha, her mentor and best bud, our 5-year-old Morkie (Maltese-Yorkie).

 

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Yesterday was the big day. We drove to Dallas to a vet specializing in ear crops. Raleigh's ears were measured and I felt very confident she was in excellent hands for the proceedure. The vet explained that she wanted to run a blood test to make certain Raleigh was up to the surgery. The good news is that her liver and lungs seems to be great but she has a bit of anemia. The vet says this is not uncommon in pups but she wanted to be safe. She sent us home with an iron suppliment and rescheduled for 2 weeks.

I'm a little disappointed because I wanted to get this process started sooner rather than lager. However, I am very happy to have such a conscientious vet!

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Thanks for the update.. I was hoping to hear good news as well..  Sounds like she's in good hands. So happy that your vet checked for everything and is conscientious enough to wait. Love the picture of sweet Raleigh by the fireplace and your 'Morkie" is adorable.

I lived in Dallas for many years.. One of our daughters is in Austin and some of our family had the audacity to go to UT!! I've been an Aggie fan all my life.. after all.. they have the best jokes!!!

Please keep us updated on the cropping.. All the best to you!!

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My favorite Aggie Joke goes like this, what do you call an Aggie two years after they graduate?

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Boss?

How about, "Doctor" as in "Doctor, we are ready for the ear crop." It seems like most of the vets in this part of the country are Aggies.

Raleigh is doing great. I hope the anemia is abating. She really likes her doggie geritol. Also she has learned to enjoy going up and down the stairs. My family set up the Christmas tree upstairs in the game room thinking Raleigh couldn't get to it. Imagine their suprise when she came galloping up the stairs to see what was going on!

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rgreen... They gotcha!

I just HAD to go to the Aggie-Joke Web site!!

I have one re: the Aggie and the Longhorn guys at the beach.. but it's "R" rated and cannot just CANNOT tell it here..

Being blonde, I can just substitute 'blonde' for Aggie.. the list goes on and on

Raleigh's Dad. Sofia FLIES down the stairs to the point where I'm always warning her..'slow slow slow' ( I have a picture of her doing her Fly-by on the last page of her gallery)

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Raleigh's Dad - actually all the vets who went to vet school in Texas are Aggies. It is the only vet school in the state. Of course the only vet school in Louisiana is at LSU and the only vet school in Oklahoma is at Oklahoma State. Notice the pattern?

There are supposed to be 59 vet schools in the U.S., but the only list I can find lists 48 vet schools in the U.S. Most states only have one, but Alabama has two and California has several.

By the way, puppies have absolutely no problems going up steps once they are big enough to get their rear leg up on the next step. Going down the steps is a real challenge for them when they are young as they are very uncomfortable with their butt higher than their head and when they are 8 weeks old and trying to go down, it's quite a bit higher.

When my late sister was visiting me in Virginia when Windy had her first litter, 10 monstrous little black and rust hellions (they are the ones who ate a hole in the kitchen wall). I had the 10 puppies down in the yard (split foyer style house in Lynchburg) with a rear deck that was about 6 feet off the rear yard level (but level with the main floor of the house). Suddenly I heard all the puppies outside up on the deck, with several trying to get down and whining about it. 

So, I went out, picked up two and carried them down to the yard. I went back up the steps and picked up two more and was taking them down when I was passed by the first two going back up. They missed their littermates and wanted back with them. So, I set the second pair down and went back up the steps and before I could get to the top, they passed me going up. I gave up and went in the kitchen. Only to be treated by the sight of my sister sitting at the table holding her stomach and laughing as hard as I have ever seen her laugh.

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Great Story Rgreen!!!!! Cisco got up and down with in 2 days of being home... Kinda wished he wouldnt have- Was hard to contain him because we live in a multi-level home so there are 4 small flights of steps - just as I was getting ready to baby gate them all - that's when velcro-dog started and he only wants to be in a room w/ a member of the family....

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Ok, here's a new behavior. I have a recliner in the living room and early in the morning or late in the evening when Raleigh gets a little too wild, I have the habit of putting her in my lap and petting her and she usually calms down and after a little while dozes off to sleep.

This morning after going out, having breakfast, going out again, she went across the living room and put her front paws up on the chair and looked at me as if to say, "I'm ready to cuddle." It was very cute and when I sat down and picked her up, she curled up in a ball on my lap and went to sleep in a few minutes.

My concern is that she's 13 pounds now but will likely be 70 this time next year. I don't want to ingrain this behavior and I don't want her to become dominant about getting up on our funiture. Should I begin to wean her off my lap yet or am I being silly about this?

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We do the same with Cisco and now he wants up constantly! I am slowly weaning him off of it- and only letting him up when I say its ok... I want my pup on the couch with even when he is a big boy. My 110 lb Akita lived on the couch and I loved the bonding time- but he knew when I said off it was time to go! I am hoping Cisco will learn the same!

Trust me it will be fine see pic below to see what I mean lol

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We let ginger snuggle with us on the couch the first night we brought her home, and now all she wants is up! We have been keeping her off though until she learns her manners, but I love her cuddly nature, so I cant wait to have her on the couch again...who doesnt love warm fuzzy doberblanket? lol

Looks likeyour Akita needed his very own couch to be nice and comfy ^.^

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Shiba~ yes that was the love seat and it was ALL his! Though he would come and cuddle up with me on occasion... Cisco is on the couch w/ me when he is sleepy only! He isnt allowed up any other time!