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Hello everyone just wanted to share some pics and a little bit about our families new puppy Mika. She is a black and tan female and was born on Nov 28th 2013. We brought her home on March 5th 2014. I originally joined this forum to seek advice and experitse on the breed and soon thereafter my family and I started to really look into bringing home a puppy. The first place we visited was Kimbertal Kennels in Pennsylvania based on a suggestion from my wife's cousin who has two of their dogs now. We told ourselves we were just going to look and that we would not fall in love with any of the puppies that day. Of course the opposite happened but we were able to resist bringing her home anyway.

When we got home I decidied to research the kennel and read as much as possible about them. Well, as you may have already imagined there were a lot of people, quite a few on this board, with very strong opinions about Kimbertal. I could relate and it seemed that they really weren't the best option for us. I even contacted a member here and her input further cemented my belief that Kimbertal was not a good choice. At this point I start compiling a list of breeders within 100 miles or so from our home and sent emails and left voicemails with as many breeders from the breeders association that I could find. I was confident that this was the best plan for our family and awaited responses from the nearly dozen breeders whom I contacted. A few weeks passed and I had not received a single reply. Finally after 3 or so weeks of filling out applications and writing lengthy descriptions as to my families intent for our prosepctive puppy (a family pet) I got my first response. Basically I was told that because we didn't have a fenced yard (although we do have about 10 acres of mowed grass with not a major roadway in sight), that this was our first experience with owning the breed (I have raised and trained boxers over the last 22 yrs however, so am confident with working and high energy breeds), that we had no intentions to show and that we had a 4 yr old daughter, that we unfortunately failed to fit the crtieria. This was pretty dissapointing and almost a little humiliating as I am not a novice dog owner and have vet referalls out the wazoo to back it up. At this point I was near to giving up and just looking into getting another Boxer puppy. My wife reminded me that the puppy at Kimbertal, despite our new found knowledge, was pretty special and that she would reconsider if I would. I relented but we found out through a post on the internet that the girl we really liked was gone. Things seemed pretty bleak at this point but I decided I wanted one more visit with some of the puppies at Kimberatal and a chance to ask them some difficult questions in regards to their policies.

 

My daughter and I made another trip and I took the opportunity to ask the girls and Anne the usual questions. Some of the answers seemed justified, others a bit strange. Overall I felt that in the event that if we bought a dog from their kennel that didn't work out, that they would welcome her back and find her a new home. This was evident by the fact that they had 7 mo old male return who had been there for every visit I made over the course of a month. A few weeks afer bringing our puppy home, we learned that the returned male finally found a home. Right as my daughter and I were set to leave, I asked to see the sister of the puppy that we had fallen for, lamenting that our original choice was no longer available. Well that turned out to be wrong and the puppy that would eventually become Mika was in fact still there. I returned home with a better understanding good and bad of Kimbertal and also with the news that our Mika was still available. Many here will never agree to their practices and I truly can't reconcile my own feelings but in all honesty there aren't many avenues for a regular family to become parents of a Dobe puppy.

 

I would have posted this sooner but felt sheepish about writing about acquiring a dog from a kennel that gets so much negative response on this board. I will say that Anne makes zero qualms that her operation is soley a business and none of the people at the Kennel including her, pressure or try to sell you on their dogs. They were always available to answer questions and help direct us towards the best match for our family. I am not defending Kimbertal nor am I giving them a poor review. They are what they say they are, a business that sells dogs to anyone with the money. I might have preferred to have had the opportunity to buy from a highly reputable breeder but sadly got nowhere with that pursuit.

 

We have had Mika since the begining of March and so far she has been an utter joy to raise, train and socialize. She has been participating in basic manners classes (mostly for my wife, this is her first time being involved in the training process), goes regurlary to the dog park and comes with me or my wife to pick up our daughter from preschool as often as possible. She has only had 2 accidents and loves her crate. She is a very alert dog but not anxious or agressive towards people, only alert. She is learning commands at a swift pace and walks very nicely on a leash. Of course she is still a puppy and will attempt to get on the couch when nobody is looking or grab a carelessly left shoe off the floor but for the most part she has been a very sweet and responsive puppy. We're very happy to be parents of such a great puppy and now that my wife understands what goes into training a well mannered dog, she has an even greater drive to progress with different obedience courses through the summer and into the fall. I am grateful to this board for all of the info and great advice and hope to be an active member for a long time. Thanks to everyone on here contributing helpful advice and information.

 

 

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Welcome....there will be those that judge but all in all there are great people on here we do love pictures tho so....Dobys are so special, glad to see you are doing the obediance enjoy her they grow so fast.        Dodie, Hoss,Ash 

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Thanks mackeryboys mom. I can't fault any that have the opinion that they do in regards to Kimbertal. I will gladly entertain discussion regarding them but am hopeful that this post will generate discussion about Mika and not solely her breeder. I'm not having any luck posting pics but will keep trying.

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Welcome to the wonderful world of being owned by a Doberman!  I'm sorry you had a difficult time with the breeders you applied to.  Looking back on my own experiences, I think I would have fenced in a large portion of our 6 acres for my dogs.  Its more about keeping them safe from other dogs, wild animals, and twisted humans than it is to control the dog.  Now I live on a smaller lot and wouldn't even think of not having a fence.  You might want to rethink the "no fence" idea.

Prepare to get trashed over your choice of Kimbertal.  I hope you won't find out the possible heartbreak of owning a dog bred just for money.  At least you put alot of time and thought into it, even if I feel like you made a pood decision.

We do love our pictures (hint, hint)!

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Welcome to the forum!


I won't go into the Kimbertal thing - 'nuff said. It sounds like you took all things into consideration, and you have a lovely girl. Congratulations on now being owned by a Doberman! 

It also sounds like you're doing a great job socializing and working with her - that's terrific!  We all love photos, lemme see if I can find out how to post them.....

Ok, here they are. These come from Tal, and I copied them to remember how....

click the landscape button in the tool bar here that appears when you type a message (next to the red flash button and after the blue eraser looking thingy called remove format)

when that little window appears you will see browse server, ignore the URL wording

click browse server

click upload on the upper left of that window

click browse in the area that pops up

locate the picture you want on your computer and double click it

click Upload at the right of where the title of your picture should be showing

you will then see your picture in the bottom right corner of that little window

click on the picture in the bottom right corner once

it should appear in the original little box you used in step one of the instructions here

if you see it (it will not show up in full since the box is small but if you see parts of the picture then click the OK button in the bottom of that little window and it should appear here

when it does if it's too large for the message box or you want it smaller

click the picture once

you will see little squares on each corner

click the square in a corner and while holding the left button down drag your mouse towards the center of the message box to shrink the pic to fit (don't use the square in the middle of the top/bottom as that will skew the picture unless you want your fat dog thinner and your thin dog fatter, hahahaha

 
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Welcome to the forum!

Not sure who the breeder is, but sounds like a mill, but bah to that. I got grief over my breeder as well, but the way I see it. As long as you're happy, and you're making your girl happy. Then that's all that matters.

To bad you didn't live in the midwest, I could have helped more with a breeder!

Best of luck, and I'm curious to see her!

Max and Mac

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Hi Luka,

Welcome. No judgement from the other side of the world here. I respect that you put a lot of thought and effort into making your choice, and you are backing that up with admirable effort in making your girl a happy well adjusted member of the canine/Doberman community.

I'm looking forward to the pics also.

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I can understand wanting to avoid the trap of bad breeders, I had a similiar experience in trying to adopt a doberman, no breeders available, did find one but changed my mind on that one, so I began looking into rescues and I still don't know what I said to upset the foster/president of the group but it was something, I wanted the "blue" as I knew they had issues and I have a tender spot for the special needs dogs since I have my own physical issues, so understanding and patience are in my vocabulary, it might have been that I said I wanted a black dilute or that I was on crutches or what I don't know but the woman began screaming at me and said "I don't have time for people like you!!!!" and hung up on me!!! People like me??? Now my background - I have always had animals from the time I could walk, cats and dogs, big dogs mostly, I wanted to be a veterinarian or a zoologist so I read day and night on all animals and breeds of dogs, horses, and cats, and all wildlife I worked at a vet's hospital for years, I raised a rhodesian ridgeback from a puppy trained him and was interested in showing him and was working on that end of things when my hip broke resulting in my current condition as a leg amputee, my dad showed shepherds and ridgebacks at madison square garden, had champion ridgebacks for years, he was schooling me in all facets of this when my hip broke, his daughter (he was my step dad) she had dobermans forever and always two, my friends had dobermans etc. I was not stupid when it came to the breed I felt like I had done my research and was prepared but when that woman hung up on me like that I was devastated cause she was the ONLY rescue that would adopt in my area so it was over for me, I would have moved heaven and earth for that doberman if there were a need to medically, I also have a totally fenced yard that is padlocked so what it was I don't know; it left me understanding how people sometimes are pushed into making the "not so correct" choice in choosing a dog.....I ended up giving up on dobermans and went with the rottweiler and I am so happy I did, I do feel badly for the dilute doberman I wanted as he missed out on a great home if I say so myself. But I remember distinctly asking my husband - what is the normal person supposed to do when they want a specific breed and they get no help and all channels are closed??? so it is what it is......may your doberman be happy, healthy and wise :))

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Photo uploader is not working at all on my machine. Not sure if it's due to the fact that I am running windows 8 or that my connection is terribly slow but it just isn't working. Here is a link to an online album with some photos of Mika and my daughter. I will add more photos as time allows. Thanks to all that have posted I really appreciate the kind words. @ talisin I can relate.

Oh, it would appear that I can't post a link either. I am active on several online forums and have never had any issues posting pics or links. Maybe I will try the site on another browser other than explorer.

 

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explorer is supposed to be having issues right now I only use Mozilla IE is too slow

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Wow he has such a mature face, it looks like an adult face on a pupster body, wise old soul in there....cute pics....he is handsome, little girl loves him too :))

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Mika is a "little" lady and yes I agree she does have a very wise face. Our neighboor just got a 10 week old white male boxer puppy and these two are great together. The perfect match of energy and goofiness. Mika has lost 4 teeth in the last few days (at least the ones I have found or had fall into my hand when she drops her ball), they sure do grow quickly. It's a beautiful day here and I have the day off. A trip to the pet store, a walk on main street and finally a trip to the dog park should keep us busy and entertained for a bit. Have a great day everyone and I will try to get some good photos today to add to the album.

 

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Wow! She's beautiful!

Looks like you're going to have two best friends growing up together as well!

And her ears are unique! Don't know if you're trying to fix that or not, but I think it's something to set her apart (for now).

Great pics, and amazing looking pup!

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Your dog is so soulful and she has lovely markings especially on her paws! Is there something to do to make her ear tips stand up?

 Adorable girl too.

 

Thanks for sharing

 

JBK and PB

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Thanks Max and Bella. She is a great dog. We probably aren't done taping the ears unfortunately. I love it when the tape is off she is so much easier to read. Here is a little vid I made this morning.

 

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0-qJD_bFy9U

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Wow impressive!! (video) Love the title, Mika is so gOOd Girl

Those long ears will be gorgeous and worth the effort:)

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Thanks principessa. She really is a good girl. We have a long way to go and I can't get complacent but so far she's doing great. I have to remind myself that taping will be worth it but it sure is easier to just them go.

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I know this is and old thread, but my boy Zeus is a little over 8 months old now and we also had the same concerns about Kimbertal.

Looking back I think we visited Kimbertal like 6 different times just to see if things posted on another dobernman web forum were true and in all our visits Kimbertal was always clean and there was no preasure to buy... just a bunch of cute doberman puppies and everyone who worked there were professional, friendly and helpful without any pressure to buy.

We also visited several other breaders in the Philadelphia area who were either going to have a litter or already had their puppies spoken for again nice dogs and nice people.

In the end we went back to Kimbertal and got our boy Zeus... eight month later we couldn't be happier, we started puppy training the first week we brought Zeus home and have since moved on to a more disaplined obedance training which has worked wonders at helping make our dobie a pleasuer to have as a family member.

Heres Zeus in puppy training at 10 weeks:

Here's a photo of Zeus at 8 months.    

 

 

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Oh, he's grown up into a beautiful boy!

The objection to Kimbertal isn't that its dirty or they pressure prospective buyers like used car salesman, its that they don't do any health testing, they don't show their dogs (thereby proving that they conform favorably to the Doberman standard), and they don't care about bettering the breed - their setup is simply to make money.  That's just a few reasons Kimbertal is trashed on just about every Doberman forum out there.  

 

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Knowing what I know now, I doubt I would ever buy another dog from Ktal. That said, our girl is a fantastic dog. Her sire is Donn Chagal. Who was Zeuss's sire Schwarzerhund? He is a very handsome boy. Mika turned a year old at the end of November, was spayed and chipped right after Christmas and is doing great post op. I've owned Boxers primarily in the past and they are great dogs with the sweetest dispostion and I wouldn't hesitate to own another in the future. But now after owning Mika since last March, I am a confrimed Dobe lover. Mika just seemed to get it faster than almost any other puppy I have raised and trained. I was at the pet shop today telling the clerk that Mika is the only puppy I have ever owned who never destroyed or even chewed on anything that wasn't hers. She loves to play ball more than anything in the world and is so patient and sweet to our 5 yr old daughter and her friends. My wife really participated in the training with Mika and took her to puppy kindergarten and then basic manners. She will continue on to the next phase this spring/summer with the hopes of pursuing agility. Mika has a best friend female German Sheppard rescue named Sadie and the two of them love to chase one another in our very large front yard. Mika still has a way to go but is more and more impressive to us everyday. She will be having a beach vacation this summer with my family and I am very confident that she will love running in the sand and surf. I will try to get some more recent pictures posted (I have tons) and will do my best to be more active posting here. I lurk all the time and although I feel like I have valuable insight to share with some rookie Dobe owners I tend to let others lead the way. This is a great site and I visit daily. Thanks everyone!

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Beautiful girls (both of them)!  I love the snuggly picture.  I'm glad you got an easy puppy - not all Dobes are non-chewers and don't realize that all toys aren't theirs (shhh, don't tell them, they really just don't get the concept!).  

Everyone has to start somewhere - my first Doberman, in 1984, was from a BYB.  I didn't have a clue at the time, but I've learned a lot in 30 years.  Boxers are right up there in my top five favorite breeds, too.  

Glad to have another voice on the forum!

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hi Luka

Mika looks and sounds like a lovely dog who owns a great human :=) My Alysia is from a BYB, and even though she had owned dobes for years breeding and socialising the pups is a whole other matter. We couldn't find a litter at the time we wanted one and we didn't understand the extent of the possible problems at the time. I love my dog to pieces but looking back I wouldn't buy from a BYB again. Alysia's mom had 12 pups and left the litter at 5 weeks so  Alysia was living with her littermates in a garage until we got her. That meant that she was extremely nervous about EVERYTHING - new surfaces, stairs, noises and it's been a massive amount of work to socialise her and give her a sense of security. All worth it now, but never again!

We only made it thanks to this forum (I lurk mainly too), and the wonderful knowledgeable people on here.

enjoy the amazing doberman adventure :=)))))

bell & Alysia

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   I think it's a little crazy to suggest that only kennels with elite show dogs have dobes worthy of the breed.  I doubt that few on this forum have these kind of dogs or could afford these kind of dogs.  Sorry to say I have pet grade dobermans.  Mine are not from champion bloodlines or from somebody trying to "improve" the breed.  My two beauties are from small breeders who happen to love Dobermans.  The breeders might have made some money while they were at it.  I didn't hold that against them.  I am not suggesting that anyone should buy from a puppy mill.  I think there are options between puppy mills and elite show dog breeders trying to improve the breed.