New dobe in home-close crate door or not?

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Hi everyone!

 I am new to the forum but have read alot of good things and tips here. We just brought our little girl Bella home yesterday. She is a little over 7 weeks (I know a little young) but her mom was already pushing her away. Her name is Bella and so far she seems to be adapting very well. She is Brown & rust and weighs almost 12 pounds. Her eyes are Greenish- Blue.  

My husband & I had a male Doberman for 10 years  Thor (Our dobe) passed  away almost 2 months ago. When we got him he was 8 months old. So this is our first go round with a Dobe puppy in the house.  We also have 2 inside Shitzus (grown). Bellla's been playing with one whos more social while our other Shitzu ignores her completly. I hope that will change.

We got her a crate, I placed a small blanket, chew toy, and stuffed animal in it last night. I left the door open because I want her to go in & out on her own without being afraid. She slept in it all night. but would awake frequently to play... I thought about closing the door but once again I dont want her to be afraid of it. This morning & last night (in the middle of the night) Bella would run in and play in it then fall asleep.

I am considering closing the door tonight, and see how that goes. She was up early this morning around 5 ready to play and go out. I took her outside, played with her for about 15 minutes.. which felt like an hour because I was so sleepy. lol I put her back in crate and played with her and her toys and eventually I snuck back to my bed. Only to awake to her crying beside the bed about a couple of hours later. This time Hubby gets up and feeds her, takes her out, and plays with her until she passes out in her crate again. (Door still open)

Today she pretty much has been sleeping- eating & playing. Shes crys when we are not paying attention to her.. we have been showering her with so much attention because its a new environment for her. 

I will probably have many questions the next couple of months.. so I will go ahead and thank you all in advance.

What do you guys think about me closing the door on her crate tonight? And if she crys do I let her cry or open the door? Sounds like a silly question - I would think let her cry and get used to it.. but once again she is in a new home, new place, so I am trying keep her comfy.

I will post pics soon!!

Thanks all

Rhonda

 

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Let her cry if you shut the door.  Whatever you do, DO NOT COMFORT when she seems scared.  For some reason, it just shows her it's okay to be scared of that.  My puppy was crate trained when we got her, but unfortunately the crate we have was different.  Then we had a death in the family (it was bad for us....) so rather than staying consistent with crate training, I just gave up.  I was a wreck.  I had to try and cope with the death, try to potty train, clean up her messes, take care of my boyfriend (it was his younger brother that passed), go to work....I almost gave her back to the breeder.  Now, I'm trying to train a 6 1/2-ish month old Dobie to go into her crate (which I cannot seem to get her to like; no matter how many toys or treats I put into it).  All simply because I didn't stick with it.

 

Crate training her with the door closed will also help with potty training because she's not going to want to soil in her home. :]  It's definitely a new experience having a Doberpup!  Right now Roxi and I are doing basic obedience.  I'm looking at hiring a trainer, but I can't find any classes starting and private lessons are very...very costly.  So far, the tips from here are working!  Also, it's important when you start to train to figure out if she's good at just praise or if she's treat oriented.  I tried the praise thing...didn't work and I couldn't figure out why.  I started using frozen green beans and BAM she was picking stuff up her 2nd or 3rd time!  Figure out what works and work with it!

Can't wait to see pictures!

-Jessie

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Jessie

Hey!

Thanks for the tip on the green beans I will have to try that. Our little bella has been rather impressive today (can't help bragging - new mom syndrome :O)

She has been playing and she ran in her crate today for a nap so I closed the door but did not lock it. She did not budge.

She was napping for a second time and I closed the door this time fully shut, and she looked up at me, as if why are you disturbing me during nap time - look? then plopped her head down on her pillow) So closing the door was no big deal to her!! What a relief & I was stressing over this.. but we will see how tonight goes. What age do most people crop the ears? I have been told 9-12 weeks?

Your girl Roxie is such a doll!  Good luck with the crate training. I used alot of the suggestions on here for food, crate training, and just getting her adapted to new home. So far so good!  I

I posted some pictures of miss bella on my profile. I am not sure how to place one on this thread yet or how to make it my profile pic... will get to that soon enough. 

Rhonda

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Bella is SO CUTE!  I just love her eyes!  Thanks on Roxi :D  I brag every time she's a good girl! ^.^  I'm wondering if she'll remember some of the stuff she did today, tomorrow! Haha  That was a tip my breeder gave me (about the green beans) and Roxi loves them.  The best advice I can give is to start training early.  When I got Roxi (after her ears were healed) she was about 4 months old.  The breeder taught her "Teeth" which means I'm going to open your mouth and either examine your teeth, brush your teeth, or give you a pill.  And she also knew how to lay down on her side for "Nails".  I still work with her even when I'm not cutting them, just so she's not scared of it.  My breeder had her crate trained and she was learning to heal and walk on a lead properly.  

 

As for the ears, my breeder had them done at about 9 weeks, and since she's been breeding them for 18 years she already had a vet in mind for all of that.  Roxi has the show crop, other people get the "pet crop" which is shorter (I'm not sure how much shorter xD).  How long it takes for them to stand depends on the dog and the crop itself.  All I know is cottage cheese works well when teething.

 

For dog food, I usually give her a mix of Exceeds (Sam's Club exclusive) and Taste of the Wild (I got it from Tractor Supply Company.  I'm not sure if you have it where you're from, but I'm sure you can order it from the website)...it's the Salmon one.  I was giving her the water fowl and Salmon mix (it brings down the protein content if mixed) because she gets about 25%.  One tip my breeder gave me was absolutely no soy.  Supposedly it causes cancer in Dobermans?  Whether or not it's true, I don't know; but I do know I'm not going to risk it!

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rhondab - sounds like you have a very good start. Wow, first night in a new home and no whining for littermates. Princess was one of the few puppies I ever got that did not whine to some extent the first night. (Many of my Dobes were either from my litter or older young dogs when I got them).

If you intend to crop, by all means start to research vets for the cropping. If you have a regular vet, and he crops Dobie ears, ask to see some of his results. Since you had a Dobe, you most likely have a regular vet, but he may not be comfortable or very skilled at cropping. Not all do. Vet schools do not teach this, so some just pick it up by doing it with mixed results. It is an art and good ones are very good. If you have a good relationship with your vet, he knows if he should refer you to another vet or not. Ask the breeder you got Bella from If the vet she uses is close by, that would be a good reference, especially if that vet did her dogs that you have already seen.

Posting pictures - in the gallery you can upload them from your machine as you have found. Posting them in the discussion requires a third party photo hosting service. I use Photobucket. You set up your account and then upload the photos there. Once the photo is on the photobucket site, if you mouse over the photo 4 lined of code appear underneath. It will look like this:

The line you want is the fourth line that starts and ends with IMG. Click once on the code to highlight it (should turn blue) then right click to get the menu and click on copy. Then place your cursor in the posting box where you want the photo, then right click and then click paste. This will open a dialog box with the instructions to press Ctrl+V (brings in the code into the box) and then click on the OK button. This will put the code into the text box where you are posting. Click on preview and you should see the image.

Many steps, but after you get used to it, it's not too bad.

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Bella's a beauty, she'll get prettier every day! It's been said many times here at the
gentle place...
Take lots of photos they grow sooooo fast! If you sit real still and don't look away
...you can see it happen.
I think ur a good mom helping her to transition to the new environment I bet she's feeling secure now, and is ready for the crate door to close. I'm reminded of my dear Aunt Bertha who I new when I was very young. She had polio as a young teen and spent her lifein a wheel chair. She had about quite a few birds and she would wheel around at nite feeding and a little later wheel thru again, covering all the cages with thinly worn old
towels. Once covered, they wouldn't make a peep until the coffee was brewing and the
chair wheels turning.

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Why the heck do I proof after I've posted?

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Welcome to the Forum..!!!

Bella suits her name, what a darling.

Every time I see a picture of one of the new kids, I get all squishy inside.. they are just so precious!! Have fun and keep those pictures coming.. It's a huge fan base here and we love them all so!!

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wow

thanks guys for all the info and stories on all your babies. Bella has been a handfull today, and last night well she cried some.. and pushed the crate door several times. I woke up at 3 this morning walked her, played with her, and slowly placed her in her crate. But thats when she decided she did not want to stay in... so she started crying. I closed the door climbed in bed and it increased.. Hubby & i were covering our ears. I am not sure who fell asleep first her or me.. When I let her out this morning she was aprehensive about going back in. So I felt like I was starting all over. When she gets nervous or scared she does run to her crate so shes still comfy in it.

Problem I am having now, is our other 2 dogs are not crate trained and they have doggie beds on each side of our bed. Well little miss bella plops her butt in the doggie bed when the others are not in them. So kind of a dilema.. I take her out and say No thats not your bed go get in Bellas bed. She looks at me sad, then gets in her crate I leave the door open when she goes in on her own. Tomorrow will be our first day away from her. So we can't figure out what to do. I had originally inteneted on taking her to work with me, but after reading about the 8-12 week puppy period. It seems like it's not the best thing to do right now. I told hubby to stay home, (we work together) and I would go in make sure everythings going smooth.

we have now changed our schedule to hers. I am thinking about going to the office early around 6, and hubby go in around 10 if I leave at 1 or 2 she will only be alone in the crate for about 4 hours tops. I am extremly impressed with her though. She comes when I call her, she can shake, Sit and go get a tennis ball and bring it back but after 4 times she totaly looses interest in the ball. She loves being outside and playing in the leaves. I will say this I had not idea how much time & effort it would take with a dobie puppy. It's fun but totaly exhuasting.. lol  

I have a regular vet who does ears but I am getting references and checking photos. I have also heard of a procedure where they use laser, has anyone heard of this? 

Okay so heres Bellas Story...

thats my side of the story ~ Heres Bellas

Well last night my parents locked me in my bed.. not sure why. but I let them know I was upset.. and they ignored me. Hope that doesnt happen again. I played with a tennis ball and mom seemed to enjoy me bringing it back to her but how many times does she expect me to do this... oh well we will see. I don't know what happend one time I was getting the ball I slid into something odd looking and next thing I know it fell and little pieces of shiny stuff was all over the floor mom said it was a lamp and that it was okay, but It sure did scare me. so to make her happy I ran into the place they locked me up last night..and had a nap. Wow I woke up and thought this teddy bear in my bed needs to be out of here and all my toys too. So I pulled all my toys out of the crate and climbed backed in. Now I have more room.. to stretch my legs. Mom insist they be in the crate. We played a game she put them in and I pulled them out. I won! and now I have more room.

I also am not sure about this whole running thing outside mom & dad said I am doing a good job but my paws keep getting in the way and I fall. Mom thinks it funny and tells me I am clumsy right now that I will grow into my paws. Whatever those are. I also ate alot and carried my bowl around.. chewed on a chair which was quickly replaced by a rope. guess that will work. oh and the best part of the day mom gave me my own bed like the other 2 dogs.. or I think it's mine. I am not sure but for now I am sleeping in it.. thats my day. I am getting sleepy and going to get in my new bed or well who knows maybe my crate which I am okay with if they leave the door open!! 

much love,

Bella  

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OMG Rhondab did you make me laugh... I'm sitting at work reading your post (I love following Bella's story she's a doll) and I litterally burst out laughing reading her point of view. Everyone probably thinks I'm nuts....Oh well. I thought about writing a story from Bluff's thoughts but I'll just tell it as I'm short on time:
 
He tends to forget that he's eating and will stand up mid chew and like 17 pieces of food will fall out. Needless to say a lot of them fall into the water dish. Last night I was watching this nighly spill, but this time he bobbed his head into the water...came up for air and went back down. He was blowing bubbles like crazy and finally stood up, stuck his chest out (because he was so proud of himself) and started chewing the food he had dropped into the water dish. It was too cute!
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Rhondab.. What a wonderful story!! Bella certainly has a way with words!! Made me laugh out loud, and then when I got to the part about her paws getting in the way, I got a little 'leaky' what a darling and how quickly she will grow into them.  You really are a wordsmith and should think about writing to us more from Bella's point of view.. YOU'RE GOOD!!

Rhondab.. This is really REALLY good.. Bella certainly has a way with words.. took us all right into her world.. I even managed to get a little "leaky' when I read about her paws getting in the way, and realized that too soon, she will be a grown up girl and how vulnerable our doberkids are. Seriously I hope Bella will write to us a lot more..

Sofia has written the DoberDiva manual and sent it to Dakota.. but she doesn't like to type..

bluffsmama3 ( gunna have to give you a nick name.. had to look twice to spell it..LOL) Sofia bobs for apples too when she drinks.. come to find out it's sort of a Dobie trait. She's never blown bubbles though.. that must be a hoot!!

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Pretty Girl.. and she shares m almost two year old red females name..

That story is way to cute.. Please keep writing!

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Ahh thanks guys!

 I really enjoy writing.. my spelling sucks.. so I tell people to sound out the words when I dont have time to spell check. Writing and researching different things (current research lead me to this wonderful forum and all of you ) both those are 2 things that give me an out to relax when I have time. It really made me smile to hear positive feedback about Bellas story. She is a doll..

I can almost write a book today about the Adventures of Bella. I came home early today and this was the first time she stayed in the crate alone (door closed) for 3 almost 4 hours. But when I got home she was fine no crying.. didn't even have an accident. but wow she was a total handful when I let her out.. oh the things she did today... People are not kidding when they say a dobie puppy is alot of work.. fun but work.

Anyway, when I get some time I think I will tell it from Bellas side its way more fun...  Maybe start a blog called the Adventures of Bella lol

and maybe just maybe come out with 2 readers.. myself and hubby lol

You guys have a good night! or day or evening wherever you are. Thanks for the compliments. Bellas ghost author loved them lol :O) 

 

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Oh a Bella Blog... Count me in...or should I saw Bluff and I in. We'd love to hear from your little girl!

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Bella's Blog.. how wonderful. I will be happy to check it out.. always love doberstories.

sweet dreams!

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They are a handful for sure and you haven't begun to see the full potential of Dober-energy..:) 

 

Loved the story from Bella's point of view too,.  Keep the stories coming!