New ? about jumping!

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I was just wondering if all dobies make tremendous jumps and hit with their front feet.  Mia can leap five feet off the ground and hit with her front feet.  An example would be when she's in the house and she's excited, she can run full speed, hit the back door, (which she figured out doesn't latch) and make her escape. And she's only 6 months old! Incredible!

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Yeah Gideon can do the long jump across the living room and make the couch...especially if I'm sitting on it :-)

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Oh yes, Cleo can clear the coffee table and land on the couch in one swift move.    She's good at bouncing off you too when she gets excited before her walk, you need to be aware of her all the time.

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Kaiser can clear the back of the couch and head of the person sitting there! He is an amazing athlete : )

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This is why all of attempts of having a baby gate have been futile lol.

yes we had the same issue with our Brutus I swear he had springs attached  to his feet, lol!

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oh thank goodness I have a rottie who thinks having to lift his feet to walk is too much exertion, I can't imagine - well I can and I am thankful I have not been hit full force by a big dog trying to land in my lap.......Ben just lumbers along and slowly crawls up on the sofa most times I have to help him get his back feet up hahahahaah these stories really make me rethink that waitlist I am on hahahahaha

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Just seeing what I have to look forward to from the above and almost shaking my head in defeat already lol! Reggie's 4 mths and can finally jump straight up on the couch which isn't a good thing. Its our biggest issue with her because its the only one where nothing seems to work and she wins almost every battle. Her new thing is when you block her with your body, she retreats...but only far enough to get a good running jump and then you have a large black and tan projectile flying at you at speed....shockingly not that cute after a first couple times lol! 

Not really her fault as the breeders had several large couches for the dogs and thats where they slept so trying to get Reggie used to lying at our feet is turning into a bit of an issue. In the kitchen she's fine but the second she sees the couch in the sitting room, all bets are off and training out the window.

So far, we've tried blocking with our bodies but its mainly me alone with her in the evening and hard to block a whole couch by myself. Always say down when she tries to get up and have tried putting her basket in the middle of the room and saying come then giving her a treat when she comes down and settles in her basket but the second you sit back down she's right back up trying to get on top of you. Sometimes she won't even obey come and just stays on the couch and winning a stare-down with her has no effect here. When she does this I'm forced to put her outside the room to quiet down but the second she's allowed back in, even if she's in a quiet frame of mind coming in, the sight of the couch sends her off again.

Really need help on this. Know there's no quick solution but don't mind putting the work in if I know I'm taking the right approach.....

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Zo our 1 1/2 yr old jumps our 5-6ft fence! BUT...he wont jump the babygates we have in the house...go figure.

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from Kaiser:  Kaiser can clear the back of the couch and head of the person sitting there! He is an amazing athlete : )

Same here, only DJ doesn't ALWAYS make it all the way over my head---she tries, though. LOL

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Crazy!

Ember jumps straight up! No running needed ! Yesterday we were getting ready for a walk, as we were walkig towards our back gate where there are several potted plants. I was walking in front of Her and instead of going around the pots she just sprung straigt up from all paws on the ground . Straight up and over a 3 foot potted plant! She also is a bouncing ball when she is really excited. 

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Grainnecal, I think you oughta break down and buy that poor girl her own sofa. 

Seriously, none of my Dobes would lie down on the floor. I had comfy crates with 4" of fleece covered foam, and they liked those ok, but if they were out of the crate, they never, ever laid down on the floor to sleep. They either got an upholstered rocking chair, or I shared the sofa - I gave up and covered furniture with blankets. To top it off, if it was night time, they had to be covered up with their binkie. All of them loved to be warm while they slept.

It must be a Dobie thing - even when Libby was 8 weeks old, she'd get her front feet on the edge of the sofa, and cry non-stop until you put the back end up. She was too little to jump, but she knew where she wanted to be. I would finally hoist her up, and she'd curl up and go right to sleep.

Maybe somebody who's not such a pushover will have some good suggestions for you!  :-)

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Daymian cleared the min pin's 32 inch play yard enclosure from a sitting position.  I saw it with my own eyes.  He's spring loaded!  One second he was sitting one the outside, the next he was standing on the inside.  The second time he did it, I was on eBay ordering the tallest dog play yard enclosure I could find.  We had planned on buying 2 of them for camping any way.

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Kim, we're on the same page cause I'm just about ready to cave too.... Been hmmming and hawwing over this for a little while because I know the way we start is the way it'll have to go on so am reluctant to do it. Added to that I live at home and my mother has never allowed a dog on the couch before so.....maybe its my mother I need to train and not the dog.....

She just loves to jump anyway. Must be a dobe thing!! She was playing with my friends two grown golden retrievers the other day and started jumping back and forth over their backs no matter what we tried to stop it. Sure the two boys only loved it lol!!

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@Grainnecal....

.....maybe its my mother I need to train and not the dog.....

ROTFL!!  Thanks for the chuckle!  Maybe she'd let you buy a "special" doggie chair!

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They are funny, I catch Kaiser on the couch constantly it is a battle. lol

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LOL maybe I need a Rottie rescue lol for a lumber along dog lol

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Hoss is the same way he loves the couch! My husband won't let him get on it but he drives a truck an Hoss  knows when he's gone he can stretch out but he stays off when he's home, I don't care the dogs are the only one's who use it anyway!He can jump up in the back of my truck which is a 4X4 with tall tires and do it so easy and he loves to run flat out,good luck on keepin im off the couch! 

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My dobe Angel was not suppose to get on the bed... right.  I would come home and hear  her PLUNK!! off the bed .  I would go in there and the covers were nested lol.. I would look at her and say were you on there lol

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Bet - you know it's not a bad idea, getting a rottie, I was so set on a doberman when I joined this forum and several members here suggested that since I would be the one mostly in charge of the dog all day while husband worked that a high energy doberman might not be a good thing, and suggested a rottweiler. I was afraid of rotties to be honest, not dobermans but rotties; so I just started looking into rescues and reading all about the rottie traits and energy levels and to ease my mind I joined a rottie forum thinking it was going to be like this forum and be informative and supportive - boy was I wrong!!!! those people were terrified of their own rottweilers saying not to make eye contact, not to have them present when company came to visit, not to do this or that, I was terrified all over again, I was on a waiting list for red doberman female and stayed on that list while looking at rotties; I had had collies all my life and was used to eye contact to train and pointing the finger at the collies I mean that's how I train so I was nervous. But finding Ben I talked with his foster mom for several months asking what I see now as silly questions like if I sneezed or coughed, made eye contact, clapped my hands, raised my voice etc. would this rottie pin me to the wall hahahahaha, after all the rottie forum said that would happen - I was assured this was not the case, that the rottweiler was laid back; that the differences between the doberman and the rottie in general not all dogs would behave this way but in general the doberman seems to be people oriented not dog oriented, and that everything that is new and different is considered to be a threat until told otherwise by the owner that everything is suspect so to speak; whereas the rottie is more pack oriented not as dog aggressive, and when it comes to determining a threat they will sit back and observe and think before acting cause they don't want to waste their energy doing something unnecessary whereas the doberman does have the energy to expend and rotties do have a slower pace so I thought why not??? so I rescued a 7 year old rottie who really is a jewel, he has the look that is a deterent, he has changed my outlook on the breed, he has made me very happy I chose a lower energy dog, do I miss having a doberman YES, am I still on the waiting list for a doberman NO, I really felt bad but I removed myself knowing now with Ben he's all the work I want to do right now.

So that's my take on the rottie vs. the doberman in my physically limited life, one leg and walking on crutches - just couldn't risk the doberman knocking me down or trying to sit on me or climb on me.....

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Just an update...we've given in on the couch issue. Will be letting her on from this evening as we all wanted to be there when she gets to jump up and noone makes her get down. Looking forward to the smug look on her little face lol!

She also managed to jump into the back of the van for the first time yesterday. Them legs are getting her higher and higher!!

 

Bet - We have a rottie puppie at our puppy classes and he's just the most chilled out little fella, not scared of the other dogs but just too lazy to get up and play unless they come to him. We all thought he was a little bit shy the first week but turns out he's just too chilled out to go bouncing from person to person like the rest..... Softest fur ever too. Just want to hug him.

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Tailsin:

I will look into rotties there are a lot of them in rescue.. I love the way Dobermans are so people oriented and know you so well..  but also I have fibromyalgia and have to use a cane at some times..I worry that a new dobe may run over me unless I get a very old one. do you think Rotties are a smart like dobes.  here I am asking dumb questions.. would like to play fetch lol  

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Thank you Grainnecal.. I will do some searching.. 

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We have to remember that we have more control than we think...  If a dog is acting innapropriately, or going places that he/she shouldn't be, don't be afraid to use a leash.  If you make it into a game, which I see happen many times, unintentionally, (think of the person trying to chase their dog that ran away.. that's quite a bit of fun for most dogs) and when that happens, the dog has fun, and thinks it's a game.  Don't be afraid to use a leash, and re-direct to a place that is more acceptable.

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And grainnecal, you have to be very, very careful with something like that, and remember how smart these dogs are.  What the dog has been taught, is that with enough persistance, he will get his way.  This can be a tough thing to correct down the road, and can lead to a very, very stubborn and persistant dog.  If he knows that with enough persistance, he can get his way, where does that stop?

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Kevin K, tried letting her on the couch this evening as we were hoping she'd just curl in and go sleep and everyone here seems to get on ok with dogs on the couch so thought we'd give it go but you're so right. Its the only battle she's won so far and SHE KNEW IT. Pushed her luck on everything else for the evening. We had to go right back to basics on everything so that decides the couch issue. Just can't have it. Part of the reason we had been keeping her off it in the first place is that, we subscribe in some way to the dominance theories that a dog should be submissive and part of that is having clear boundaries set and I think, for us, the couch is going to be one of those boundaries. She's going to be at our feet and not in our faces..... The only issue is how to go about it :(

 

Any advice on how to deal with this one is appreciated!! We've found a way to deal with every other issue thats come up but, like I said, this one just has me stumped. Nothing seems to work. We'll try the leash tomorrow but have you any tips in how to do this or do we just hold her in down on the lead until she settles at our feet? I've read a lot of your posts Kevin and use many of your tips, so I pretty much have complete faith and will try anything you advise!

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the phrase "give an inch, take a mile" DEFINITELY applies to this breed lol.  I tend to not buy into dominance type training, personally, I think if your dog has a solid training foundation alof of these kinds of things don't matter.  But alot depends on the individual dog...  What we did initially, was Dakota was not allowed on any furniture at all, ever.  Somewhere around 6 months, we started letting her on the couch after she behaved well.  Eventually, I don't remember exactly, probably like 7 months or 8, (somewhere around there) we started letting her go up whenever she wanted.  Same with our bed... I think the first time she was on the bed was around 8 months also.  Last night, she laid under the covers snuggled up to me, she's a great cuddler lol. 

But I would handle it the same was as any other undesired behavior.  I woudl treat it the same exact way as a dog jumpin on people, or taking food off a table, or any of that kind of behavior.  Try to stop it before it happens, and redirect to an acceptable location for him to sit or lay, like a pillow, blanket, or something on the floor if that's where you prefer him to sit.  It will be best if he never gets to go on the couch, ever, so for something like this I would keep an eye on him all the time.  And like I said, don't be afraid to keep him on leash if he keeps trying to go on.  Don't make a big deal, just walk up, put a leash on, and get him off the couch.  Obviously you don't want to hurt him or anything, but he needs to get the message that you don't want him there.  And that doesn't mean he can go on if you are in the other room... remember they're sneaky!!

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Thanks for the advice. Tbh we're learning as we go. I'm reading everything I can find and looking at training videos but some things just get me stumped. Reggie actually learns all this stuff quicker than me. If I can just get the approach right, it takes her half the time to pick it up lol!

Think what we were missing on this one was the lead. She'd just slip by me so quick, she'd be on the couch before I'd know it. We'll have another try at it tomorrow. 

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Yea, for most this is a learn as we go kinda thing.  I actually just said in a another post a few hours ago, most of succesful dog training has more to do with training the HUMANS than the dogs!  lol

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So true! She teaches me more than I teach her I think sometimes. One example, I was wondering why she kept jumping up and biting me on the butt. Had holes in 2 pairs of pants by the second week after we got her. Only realised after another week that when we went down the fields, I'd call her and slap the top of my leg to make a noise....been doing it with smaller dogs for years but because none of them were jumpers, I didn't realise that I was just targeting a spot for her to jump and bite! Don't do that anymore and have her almost 100% trained not to jump (when there's not a couch involved) so not an issue but it was more me than her causing it anyway tbh.... Many situations like that!

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Yep!  Funny "human training" story, when we brought Dakota home, my wife calls me at work one day upset, saying something is wrong, she thinks she has a bladder infection or something.  She keep trying to pee, but nothing is happening, just a slight dribble.  Once I was able to see, I realized that my wife gave Dakota a treat every time she peed, so Dakota was pretending to pee so she could get extra treats!!!  And that was at like 12 weeks old!!

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LOL!!!!!

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And once again, it is proven that dogs learn quicker than humans!! 

 Took me about a week to work out a solid approach to the couch thing and get my attitude right..... Took Reggie 2 minutes of  consistent well thought out training to get that she wasn't allowed on the couch and had to stay on the floor. I know we've only won the battle and not the war but am so positive after last night. The lead makes all the difference. Think anymore when I get stuck, will try go back to basics like that.

Now just need to watch more heel videos cause Reggie isn't quite getting it yet so need to work out what I'M doing wrong there too.

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Kevin that is just waaaaay too funny, that had me laughing so hard, thanks for that one needed a good laugh today....