Autumn puppy update

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Hi all!

Autumn is almost 3 mos old now and is getting bigger and doing great. We decided to leave her ears natural, and have been working on some training with her. So far she is really consistent with "sit", walking on leash, and I'm working on her stopping/slow down when I stop/ slow down while we are walking. Also as far as her chewing on stuff and getting into things she's not supposed to, if I just say " eh-eh" or "shhhhsst" she immediately stops and looks at me so I can redirect her. What age is good to start teaching stay and down commands? I tried stay recently but her attention span is short so it didn't work, maybe she is too young? 

 

Also, is it a bad idea to let your dog up on the couch or bed for any length of time, will that make them the they are on the same " level" as the alpha, or not? Sometimes if we are watching a movie or whatever at night and she is tired or calm we let her cuddle with us for a while before she goes to the crate for the night... She loves it! But she knows to get to be up there with us she has to be calm.

 

thanks everyone, I am so glad to have this forum as a great resource.

 

 

kelly

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 Mine is up on the couch and on the bed everytime we are lol. only time he wont come up is when there is food out an we are eating,and he knows he is to stay down at those times.

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The right time to start teaching stay is as soon as you want to!  ;)  Koko was already halfway through puppy obedience class by three months old, and learning so quickly!  Just remember that you have to teach from the beginning.  Saying stay and backing away a step or two and expecting her to sit there for 5 seconds is already about 3 steps too far. 

Start by putting her in a sit or down, and treat for that.  (It's a good idea to occasionally alternate which you use; changing conditions helps them to learn what something really means.)  Then say 'stay' - with the treat(be it food, toy, whatever) visible to keep her attention - and only wait a second or two, so it's easy for her to do what you wanted without even knowing it.  She will be delighted that she got treated for doing nothing!  You always want to set your dog up for success this way.

Repeat the super-simple version a couple of times, then wait 3 seconds.  After she manages that a couple of times, 4 seconds, same process to 5 seconds.  By now she should be grasping what you are actually wanting from her, so it's time to make it more challenging!  put her in a sit or down, say stay, and move the treat away off to one side.  If she tries to follow, give a gentle correction (I use uh-uh, not to scold, just to let him know it wasn't what I wanted), and next time don't move the treat as far away.  Keep decreasing the difficulty until she 'gets it', then increase again.  Once you can move the treat quickly away to your arm's full length, then you move on to stepping away.  Again, put her in sit or down, say stay, then take a single step back.  By now she should have no trouble with this!  Only wait a second or two before treating.  Koko hit a plateau at this point - he had gotten here within about two days, but for some reason the difference between one step and two took a lot longer, but we got there eventually.  Continue to push the envelope in tiny steps this way, and she will get it!  We just have a bad habit of expecting them to understand what we're saying already, instead of teaching from "this is what this word means".

 

ETA: missed the down part of the question!  That's -easy-.  Put her in a sit, hold the treat right in front of her nose, then slowly drop it down to the floor, staying close to her...  she will naturally go into a down to follow the treat with her nose.  ;)  Don't start giving the command until you get the knack of the motion and can actually make her do it.

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Thanks Tannaidhe!

 

yesterday I put her in sit, then stay but she did hold it for 5sec, so that was good, maybe I thought it wasn't long enough, lol. It's been a while since I trained a puppy this age, so I think I expect too much. Today though on our walk, EVERY. Single. Time. I stopped walking, and said "stop", she immediately stopped and sat!! :) I was so proud. They are so smart. 

So what do u thnk about the whole letting them on the bed or couch sometimes?

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So I am not alone in this. :) I am still working on the down command, she is only about 3 mos so if we were going to eat or something I wouldn't have her up there either.

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If you don't want her on the furniture, don't ever let her up.  'Sometimes' is incredibly confusing to a dog (unless it's something very clear, like 'not while we are eating'.)  I think it's entirely a personal choice as to whether to allow it or not.

5 seconds is a very good start!  Just work it up from there slowly, one second baby step at a time.

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I agree with the sofa thing, my husband always allows Ben on the sofa and they both sneak it when I am not looking, what is it with the men? anyway, Ben begs food from my husband cause he lets him eat WHILE he is eating he gives him bites, and he begs to get on the sofa. However, when I am present there is no begging to get on the sofa and I can sit with food and Ben ignores me. However, when we did have a larger sofa I did let Ben on the sofa and he got to where HE would decide when he wanted on it, so I nixed that one and he is not allowed on the sofa by me at all, he does relate the sofa and food with my husband now and knows don't even go there with me. Stay consistent and clear in who/what/why/when they are allowed to things.

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My husband is the same way- I swear its like he undermines my efforts sometimes! ;) he likes to spoil her but then makes fun of me when I talk baby talk voices to the puppy, lol.

 

i told him we both need to be on the same page with this training process so the dog doesn't get confused! 

I did try out your advice about the "stay" and " down " commands last night and it totally worked!! Thanks!

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Oh, also!  Beware using the same word for two distinct actions ( lay DOWN, or DOWN off the couch).  You will end up trying to tell her to get down off the couch, and she will lay down pretty as you please - still on the couch, of course.  And then you will get mad and she will be LOST because she did what you told her!  Either switch to 'LAY' for lay down, or 'OFF' for get off the furniture - we chose the latter.

 

Glad progress was made!  Koko is by now (nine months) a champion stayer!  lol  As long as he isn't in one of his super-hyper moods, he can stay for a whole minute without a problem, or about half that with me walking right out of the room/his sight.

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Yes thanks- we use down for lay down, and off, for get off something.