Athena and I take a walk

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Well this post was originally going to read something like this.....

Thankyou so much Ziva's dad for your post about the pinch/prong collar!  We were very skeptical about them even after the trainer suggested using one, but after reading your post and everyone's comments we decided to try one.  We bought a plastic one from our trainer and began using it during our training session with good results.  Yesterday it was time for a walk but Brad was going to be late from work (we usually wait) so Athena and I went out by ourself.  Let me tell you....AMAZING!  Our walk was going so great, we had hardly any pulling or reactions to anything, I was absolutely shocked.  Whenever she would get ahead a little she would stop turn and look at me and wait for me to catch up (only a few steps).  She didn't even react to the kids in the play ground horsing around.  Let me tell you I was a proud Momma.  So we make our normal loop and since she was doing so well and it was a nice day (not many of those left) I decided make it a little longer and keep going.

This is where it all went terribly wrong.......

As we were walking there were a lot of kids outside playing including one on a scooter (normally something she hates) I was taking good advantage of the situation trying to train whilst walking.  We walk past this house with some kids playing in the garage.  All of a sudden out of nowhere a spaniel type dog charges out of the garage right at us.  I try to scare the dog away and he goes around to the back of Athena, she turns around she play bows and they touch noses.  I am thinking okay maybe this won't be so bad boy was I wrong!  The dog lunges and attacks Athena, she starts screaming as I am repeatedly kicking this dog in the face.  Then the dog lunges at me and I kick it again, trip and fall on Athena.  The kids finally grab their dog and pull it into the house and I tell one of them to get their dad.  He comes out and is a complete jackass....it goes something this him: what happened? me: your dog just attacked my dog. him: oh she's a funny one huh? me: NO there is nothing funny about this your dog viciously attacked my dog.  Him: sorry.  Me: you should be sorry thats not good enough keep your damn dog under control. him: what more do you want from me I said I was F*cking sorry. me: keep your damn dog under control especially if she can't be trusted its not your kids responsibility.  Him: mumbles something under his breath gives a hand gesture and goes into the house. me: screaming...insert obscenities here...

I call Brad tell him what happened he says call the police.  So that just what I do.  The officer gave us some choices and we decided to have him issue a warning and make sure the dog was liscensed (sp?) and up to date on shots.  Rather than issue a malicious dog citation, which is a misdemeanor in our county and we both would have to go to court with some heavy fines on his part.  We decided this route for two reasons. 1. we have to live in this community and don't want any retaliation and 2. we didn't want him to take it out on his kids.  

I feel so bad I am supposed to protect her and then this happens.  We are both injured, she has two deep puncture wounds on her front leg and a bite wound on her back leg not to mention the damage to her personality and confidence.  I twisted me knee real bad and have a long scratch on my thigh with deep bruising.  I feel so bad I am supposed to protect her and then this happens.  Not to mention she had he pinch collar on so when I was trying to get her out of there she was getting corrected.  She was so scared she actually pissed herself.

And of course I have to say something about having a "big mean vicious doberman" that gets attacked by a 30lb dog and doesn't even protect herself.  Even the cop looked at me like "you have got to be kidding me right?"

Needless to say I will no longer be walking her alone and from no one will be carrying a can of mace.  

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Oh how terrible and I know exactly how frightened you must have been.. I cant' imagine a more terrifying experience for you and Athena..I went through a similar experience over a year ago and posted it on the forum ( Good buddies go bad 6-14-2010)

Horrifying!!! And to this day I still remember the helpless feeling I had when Sofia got hurt. She actually held her ground and 'you shudda seen the other guy'. but it was traumatic for a long time. ( until she saw the other dog and that he was going to actually live did she settle back down.)

I applaud your decsion NOT to lynch the a$$hat who lives in your community. THAT too is hard to swallow..

Keep in touch and let us know how y'all are doing.. Poor Goddess.. she will be okay, but I know how upset she is right now..

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CF SO SORRY to hear what happened to you and Athena...Damn shame....but the Doberman is the "Vicious Dog"., huh ?.I know its bad to say....I wish A damn spaniel or any uncontrolable dog run up on me and Buddy as I am walking him on a leash. I will give that leash a little slack and let him defend himself!...but i Digress...once again sorry to hear what  happened and I hope you both will be ok.

 

 

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Hi... I am new but have been reading this forum for many months in preparation for the time I get my dog (intro to come in another post), But after reading this I finally signed up.

While I don’t have a dog now I have cared for a few from time to time.  I have learned when out walking (with or without a pet) I always try to carry a walking stick.  It can provide a surface other than your leg to fend off attackers...

 

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I didn't mean to come off as anything other than protective of those in my care... I hope no one was offended.  I shall edit it down.... I sometimes come off as blunt :( sorry...

Where I live we have some critters meaner than poorly trained dogs... bobcat, ocelot, coyote, rattlers, javelina, etc that can kill or severely injure you and your pet if you happen upon them on a bad day.

I dearly care for every pet entrusted to my care and I take personal responsibility for their safety.


I am just not the lyrical muse that you are (you do it very well btw).  :)

Richard

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Richard// I have deleted my response as it probably came across as harsh. Sorry.. Nothing personal..Just was offended by your post.

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No problem, again I apologize if you were offended I did not intend to. 

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Walking sticks are the 'norm' here in Baja.  as well as golf clubs or anything else to defend yourself or your pet against rattle snakes and Bobcats, not to mention coyotes and other critters. Better to feel safe than sorry. Control_ Freak, I am still thinking about your post and the trauma that you and Athena went through.. It had to be most upsetting.. I agree with you re: the mace and also with Darkstar. some kind of protection is necessary, if only to give you confidence and make you feel safe.

It's a huge responsibility to love and care for these precious beings.. Athena is still a baby and depends on you for protection and love.. Do what ever you have to do.

DarkStar. You of course are more than welcome to the forum and we appreciate your suggestions and advice.. This might be the "Gentle Doberman Forum" but not everything in life is gentle. Thank you for your input.

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OMYGOSH--C_F, that was a horrible experience you had.  I really CAN identify with that story somewhat.  When the dobie I had before I got Ziva, (her name was Darmok), was about 4 months old, I was walking her around my neighborhood, working on leash training with her, and we walked past this house that had the front door open.  All of a sudden, a huge Pitbull came flying (literally, flying out that door and off their deck) out into the middle of the street where I was with my doberman puppy. It startled Dar and she screamed, and the dog kept growling and trying to get at her.  I had the leash in my hand and just kept turning circles and using my foot to try to kick the pitbull away from my dog, and was nearly choking my own dog with her collar by yanking her out of the way of the attacking dog,  but it was relentless and snapped at her several times.  The owner (a woman) came running out to where we were, trying to grab her dog by the collar, but we were all turning so fast she couldnt get a good hold.  I kept yelling at her "LADY-get control of your dog!!!" She said "I'm trying" and eventually she grabbed his collar and drug him away from us.  Dar was scared to death, and I admittedly was a little frightened myself. Not for me, but I didnt want my dog attacked.  It took us several attempts after that to make it past that house on our walks.  I had treats with me and 'baited' her to walk past the place where she was scared by the other dog.  Eventually, when she got older and much MUCH bigger and more self-confident, other dogs didnt bother her.  Dont give up, and certainly dont give in.  You did the right thing.  Unforseen attacks by loose, uncontrolled dogs are so scary.  Athena will heal and will learn from this experience. She's still a baby, and shouldnt be expected to fight back.  You were a protective mom and did an excellent job of protecting her.  Some day, she will return the favor and will protect YOU.  That's how dobies are. 

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While I am no lawyer, the homeowner of a dog that attacks another dog and or human is responsible under the law for damages, ie: medical bills. That is separate and distinct from any actions the Police may or may not take.

The mace is a good idea as is pepper spray. I don't know which would be more effective on a dog.

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Glad to hear you are both relatively ok however,  I sure hope you went directly home and called the police at 311 and reported the incident.  If no one reports these kind of things how does it ever get fixed?  waiting until the dog truly hurts someone else isn't any help at all.  You need to get this on record with your local law enforcement immediately.  They do track these things and if the animal has a history of this behaviour they will adress it with animal control or a visit to the homeowner.  If you haven't done so call right now and make an official report,  they won't even bother to come to your home but they will take the info over the phone.

 

I know this because long before I had Rocky i was jogging in a 1/2 finished development and a dog came from a house almost 2 blocks away and came after me.  I carry pepper spray now for this exact reason.  He didn't bite as I turned and confronted him screamnig and waiving my arms but he also didn't back down.  He held his ground growling and I know if I would have turned or done anything to give reason he would have attacked.  The owner came running and got him home quickly and a neighbor that heard the whole thing drove over to make sure I was ok.  We promptly went to their front door and I informed him that I would be calling the police and that I will also be more than willing to shoot that dog if he ever comes at me like that again.  I went home and did so.  The person i spoke to made a comment that this wasn't the first call made about this dog and that they would take care of it.  I noticed about 2 weeks later that house had a newly fenced in yard so I'd guess they were informed of what would happen to their dear pet. 

 

Trust me I know how terrifying this was to you and your dog.  I hope you are both ok and get past it,  it will take a while though and you will forever walk by that house very carefully. 

 

I would highly suggest not walking on that side of the sidewalk near that house and carrying pepper spray - from 6-10 ft you can hit a dog coming at you and if he's on the public street when you do it there's nothing that can be done about it.  If you are on the sidewalk in front of their house then he would have to be too close to 'hit' to be technically on public propery.  I can say from expirience also that if you hit a dog once with pepper spray they WILL remember you forever...:)  and literally will see/smell you and practially run the other way.

 

 

 

 

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I had a very similar situation just the other day while walking my Zoe at a public bike/walking trail.A lady was walking a shephard/lab mix using a prong collar.She pulled to the side to let us by and her dog just started going crazy.It somehow shook loose the collar and with no hesitation attacked my Zoe, biting her in the side.Then it just kept circling us and trying to sneek attack wherever it could.My poor dog wasn't really scared but I still had her with the leash and all she could do was sit there.This dog completely ignored the owner and just kept coming.I even pinned it to the ground at one point but couldn't hold on to both dogs so it got loose again.Eventually the lady managed to capture her dog and get it back on the leash.

  The difference though was that this lady was sincerely sorry for what happened and truly felt terrible for everything.I wanted her information and was without anything to write with.She told me her name and number and assured me that her dog had all her shots.We then went our seperate ways.When I returned to my car the lady had come back and left her name and number on a note for me.I called her later on and told her that I didn't want to report it, but I didn't think that her dog belonged in public with that behavior.She was so nervous and relieved.She told me she would never be back there again with her dog and would take care of any injuries to my dog.There was a small cut that I cleaned up and I said as long as she doesn't wake up tomorrow limping or in any discomfort,I would be all set.This was Sunday morning and all has been well.

  As terrible an incident as this was,it was very refreshing to see another pet owner step up to take full responsibility for their animal.I have been back several times since and no sign of her.

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Thank you everyone for the kind words!  Athena and I are doing well now just a little shook up.  Looks like a lot have people have been through something similar which makes me even more sad!

We did file a police report but chose not to press charges for reasons stated in my original post but wanted something official since this dog came into the street after us....hopefully it doesn't happen again.

Smooches :*

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Glad to hear it was reported,  I love animals but I have no tolerance for owners or pets that behave like that.  What if your dog was much smaller, it could have been so much worse, or what if the next time it's a child.  Once an animal starts with that type of agresive behaviour it doesn't get better.

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oh what a horrible situation for you 2 to be in.Although I would take pics of your and her injuries(just in case)The owner of the other dog I feel did not handle the situation well at all-shame on him!

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Control_Freak, I am so sorry - what a terrible thing, made way worse when the offending party is such an ignorant a-hole.  Athena will be okay.  Dont' beat yourself up because there is nothing you could have done more than what you did. Keep an eye out for your knee if it gives you trouble in the future. You should not be responsible for any medical expenses when someone is so negligent. It's clear from that guy's response that he knows his dog is aggressive.  Not your problem and don't feel bad it you have to file a claim.  You were not in the wrong.