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Sam
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Is there anyone on this forum thats doing this kind of training?  Can you let me know how your dogs progressing, what are your thought?

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Hi Sam and welcome to the Forum.. You have an adorable little guy there and can't wait to hear ( and see) more about him.

Saturday is sort of a slow day on the Forum, but I betcha you'll get answers from two of our members who train Schutzhund and have had a lot of success with it..

RnDDobermans and Gunny..so stay tuned..

Good luck and have fun

Kate and Sofia

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Hi Lady Kate

You have said welcome to the forum to me a few times now hahaha.  Its my girlie whose started IPO training, hopefully get some feed back from other experienced people

I do IPO training with my male. He is 3 years old bred by me from total show lines. We just got his BH last fall. I've recently changed trainers due to the training methods being used were not good for my particular dog. Im a firm believer that all dogs cant be trained the same way, some dont fit the mold. When I saw my dog going down hill from his previous working ability I knew it was time to do something different. Im just hoping that my dog hasnt been ruined so we can move on and compete. So far the new trainers methods are more what my dog needs and he is responding well but we have a long way to go. It is easy to ruin a dog if the trainer insists on using one method only for all dogs.

I really enjoy the sport and my dog did as well up until  recently. Finding a good trainer/club is key and reading your dog correctly is imparative! Study up on the training, sport and watch a lot of trial videos. One thing I've found is most of the training methods that are used are very outdated and almost barbaric. Decide for yourself ahead of time what you will allow and how far you want to go in the sport so when the time comes to make those decisions you will be firm. I've seem time and time again things such as the the old jerk and pull method, unecessary heavy handed corrections, prong collars being put around flanks and yanked into place, heavy use of electric collars. None of these methods will I ever use on my dog. I could go on and on with what I've seen but up front this happens everywhere within the sport of Schutzhund.

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OOops... sorry Sam ( I thought you were familiar.. lol)

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Hi, I'm not sure if this is appropiate to ask on someone else's post but I have a 16 month old doberman that I I've thought about maybe doing Schutzhund training and was wondering if he is too old now to do so. I got him at 1 yr old and he came with his papers (he is fixed, does that matter?). After researching his parents I found out that he comes from champion european lines; his father is Urbano del Diamante Nero IPO 1 and his mother is Biene maja von Neusaddrache IPO 2. Looking into them farther they both come from very good working lines and thought it would be great to continue on with him but I'm not sure if I missed the boat on it with his age. He did have some bad habits but he has come a long ways and is doing great and is incredibly smart, very fast learning, and wanting to please. I know he would do well with some challenging training I'm just wondering if Schutzhund would not be a good fit and look into something else. I love working with him I just am looking for more to do with him I guess is where I'm going. Any tips on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

it doesnt matter if he is neutered or not to do Schutzhund. His age may but if he comes from strong working lines I know of a few people in our club that have waited until later and their dog did fine with most of it, still in the working so I havent seen the finished project. Now if I had waited with my all american show line boy I dont think he would have been able to do the sport. The best thing to do would be to find a club near you and have your dog evaluated. They may give you certain things to work on and then bring him back again.

If the Schutzhund does not work out there is so much you can do with your dog. The Doberman is so smart and loves to work no matter what that may be. Obedience, tracking, rally, flyball, agility to name a few.

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Sasha was 2.3 years when she started her training and I feel it has been really good for her.  She is a rescue dog and when I brought her home I new she needed more to channel that over active mind of hers into somethng more positive.  Her behaviour has changed so much since she started which has only been two months.  It is hard work and I work with Sasha daily in short burst to reinforce our learning.

One of the first things the trainer asked me is if she was toy orientated which she is, so if your dog loves to play with toys then thats a good start.  As mddobermans said find a club and take him along for an accessment, they will be able to guide you further.

We don't have many clubs here in th UK, although this kind of training is becoming more popular, I have to travel 57 miles each way but it was worth it for the results I'm seeing. Sasha is in early stages training for BH.

I've noticed that prong collars are used on some of the more experienced dogs, I have never used one and am unsure about them. I've overheard other people at the club say, they've left their prong collar at home accidently on purpose!   What are your view on them mddobermans?  Also we are not allowed to pull our dogs but are told to jerk the lead, could you let me know how you feel about this?

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I have a retired 8.5 year old girl that is SchH3, IPO3, FH.  A 4 year old that is SchH1, Apr2 and a 16 month old that is slowly progressing.

Finding a good trainer that you click with is very important in the early years.  There is a steep learning curve and you will need someone to take the time to explain things to you that you may not see for yourself.  Often times the dogs will progrees faster than the owners and it can be frustrating to mishandle.

There are a variety of training tools to use and used properly, all can be benefitial.  That said, as the handler, it is you that will have to be comfortable with the methods used on your dog.  Again... finding the right trainer is really important in the early years.

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Thank you all very much for the response. I'm in the process of looking for a club that I think will work to try out and maybe get him evaluated. I've talked to some other trainers about groups that meet up for stuff such as flyball and the agility, any of those I think would be fun to work with him on. Now I just have to see what will fit with him. Thank you again for your help!