i would like to show my dobie but will he have a chance?

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https://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer?source=mog&hl=en&gl=us#photo/112998132187329655736/5850885514213645377/5850885517033086002                                                                                    he doesnt have champion bloodlines but they are german, i think the only deviation from the standard would be his forequarters, id like pro dobie advice if id do good or have a chance. the link is to severval pics of him.                                                                                                                         

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That link seems to pull up some random photos of birds and lakes...  can you check the link?

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just go to my photo gallery

Only a couple of photos worked for me - the one with the tv in the background says something about conformation, but truly I can't tell anything from that picture. 

What I will tell you is that the chances that he would be show quality when he does not come from a show breeder with champion parents, is slim to none.  He may be beautiful in your eyes, but it is really hard to do well in the show ring when the dog was not bred specifically for it.  Our standard is very well written and the quality of Dobermans is very high in the ring. It is hard enough to do well with a really well bred dog that was bred specifically for the ring. 

What I recommend for people who think that they might someday be interested in showing in the breed, is to start in another ring.... obedience, rally, agility, nosework.... the list is long.  Do what you can with the dog you have.  Maybe even do handling classes to start learning how to train a dog for the show ring.  If you do all those things - then finding a good show breeder willing to work with you in the future will be much easier.

One of the fastest ways to get turned off to the breed ring, is to try showing a dog that really does not belong there.  It is brutal enough when the dog does belong there - LOL!

 

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ive read up the standard a lot and pics of the standard dobe and he looks spot on except his front legs are more forward, ive seen pics of dobes that dont go along with the standard (back too sloped, tummy tootucked ornot enough, pigeon chested, head with too little stop, ect.) but are still winnners/champs in the show ring.

If you think he could show, then contact a good breeder in your area and see if you can meet them at a dog show and have your dog evaluated. 

 

I can't tell you anything about him from the picture I can see.  You would need to set him up like the dog in my avatar (not as easy to do as it looks) for me to even begin to give you my opinion AND pictures are not as good as seeing them in person.

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even if he doesnt have a chance at winning id like to do it for experience. im going to school to be a dog trainer, and yes its hard to get a dog to stack, even worse a wiggly puppy haha. i would just love to show dogs for experience id do other peoples dog if someone would let me. i know that for dobermans the bite is essentia in show and my vet says his bite looks perfect for show and i look/read about the standard on DPCA

What area do you live in? Can you contact a show breeder or go to a show and have your dog evaluated? If your really interested in showing then start conformation classes with your dog. Even if the dog you have now is not show quality it will teach you a lot about what to do in a show ring, how to train a dog for the show ring and give you a little experience. Enter your dog in fun matches for fun for experience. Dobermans are one of the hardest breed to show the quality of Dobermans is superb and the competition is fierce. Most of the Dobermans in the ring are shown by paid handlers who specialize in it. Nearly impossible for a new person to walk in the ring and get anywhere. You need a mentor to work with.

Vets really dont know the breed standard, not only does the bite need to be correct but they count teeth and they should be in proper placement.

It would be great if you could take some different photos of your dog, the only one that was somewhat able to see anything is the one by the TV. from that angle though there was good and bad. In person by a professional is the only way to get a good evaluation. In the meantime though do sign up for classes and start training your dog. It is a fun thing to do with them.

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okay thank you for the advice we start conformation class thursday.  if you click on the pics they should come up. also does it look like i might be dealing with pockets? 

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rnddombermans are you a trainer or breeder? your photo gallery is lovely! 

Thank you, the dogs in my gallery I have bred, but I do not consider myself a breeder so to speak. I love to train so of course they are always owner trained no other way to do it lol.

The photos were to hard to tell about any pockets

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i just posted more pics. id like to train my puppy in schutzhund but i dont think hed be a good contender and i have no idea how to train a dog to do that or anyone in my area that does that.

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if you click on the boxes does it bring up the photos for you?

the first attempt to stack photo shows up. You need to use food and have him stand on stable ground. You let him eat the food the entire time you are attempting to stack. Make it short simple and sweet, always end with a big praise and fun at the end. Someone else needs to take the photos other than yourself. There are also proper ways to move the feet and games you can play with them to make it fun and make the dog feel more secure. Hopefully the class you are going to will not be so big that they can take the time to show you some of that. One of the things that I taught my first show puppy was just to stand and stay. It started with me holding her putting a food down in front of her telling her to watch it, at this point it didnt matter how the feet were just the fact that she was standing and not moving I would say in a quiet building voice ready...steady...annnnddd GET IT! she was allowed to break and get the food. From there we started placing feet all the while using the same method. She was one of the most beautiful dogs to show anybody could take her in the ring and they always bragged how perfect she showed. Mind you most puppies are started at very young ages being stacked.

If you look at Fitzmars photos of her dogs you will note the puppy being stacked and how good he is standing. As breeders we start this at a very young age as we evaluate them while they are home with us. They are quite used to being stacked and having there feet placed some more easier than others.

BTW Fitzmar if you read this I absolutely LOVE your male. He looks like he has a lot of bone and substance. He is a beautiful boy!

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I've always wondered with breeders, how old are they when you can discern which are show quality and which are pet quality?  It seems like they go to homes at between 10-12 weeks.  They look so round and adorable at that age that I don't know how you can tell how they will look when the mature.

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i also noticed rust/tan color on the back base of his ears, would that be fault?

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i know show dobies should have long hindquarters, almond eyes, straight facing cat like feet,straight back with slight down slope, the bite  needs to be a perfect scissors bite,  you dont want too much scarring on the tail and ears and those would be easy to see in a puppy.

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fitzmer your pops are sharp