Skin Issues

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My dobe is now almost 5 months old. She is very playful and such a great dog. Since we got her, she had some skin issues. First, it was little white bumps on her head. When I took her to the vet, they said she would grow out of it and that it was "puppy acne". The white bumps did go away on her head and then a couple bigger white bumps appeared in between her shoulder blades on the back of her neck. I brought her into the vet again and they gave me Pyoben (I think that is how you spell it) shampoo and said that it should help. So I started on the shampooing and the vet recommended that i do it at least 3 times a week. After the first use, the bumps went down and started looking better. The second use really took the bumps down but then I noticed a lot of other bumps starting to come up the next day. They are appearing all over her front legs (more towards the back) and now are appearing on her chest and under her neck. Since the bumps appeared, I quite using the shampoo because I thought it was making the rest of her body worse. I have tried her on Fish Oils and Blue Buffalo food. The fish oils seemed to make her sick every time I would mix it in with food (no matter how small the dosage) and the blue buffalo food made her had really bad BM's and made her very gassy. My vet recommended I change her food to Purina so I did and her BM's are now great but her bumps are just everywhere. She is on flea/tick/heartworm program and doesn't eat human food. Has anyone had this problem? I'm taking her to the vet yet again tomorrow to get more advice. The bumps are hard and small and she hasn't really itched or bit or acted like they bother her. Any advice?

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Wow.. what a puzzlement for you I'm sure.. and welcome, BTW to the Forum.

How confident are you with your vet? Did he take a skin scraping and look for allergies?? Bathing your girl three times a week seems a little excessive, and from what I've heard there is much better food on the market than Purina.

If she were mine.. I would seek another opinion.. gradually switch her over to a good grain free kibble ( take up to 10 days to do this)

Fish oil has always disagreed with my two girls.. and even though a lot of people love Blue Buffalo I've had nothing but trouble with it. ( including treats) so finding the best combination of food an nutrition can be challenging..

After several years of trial and error, here's what we finally ended up in this house. We cook 20 pounds of chicken a week.* boneless skinless breasts. mix it with green beans and rice, add pumpkin, sometimes eggs, once a week, beef, they get supplements in the way of vitamins and Brewer's Yeast tablets.. and Sofia gets a dollop of honey for breakfast and lunch.. this took forever to figure out as she is special needs with DCM and the no sodium has kept her off meds now for a long time.. We do add a small handful of grain free Taste of the Wild turkey/sweet potato for the 'crunch' as the salt content is lower than any other brand I've found.

Don't give up looking for answers. It can be confusing and frustrating as each time you switch from one food to another.. you must take it slow and easy..

Good luck and please stay in touch

Saludos from Baja

Katie Sofia and Bella

 

 

 

lindzaym, It's been my experience that most (not all) skin ailments are food related. If your vet hasn't already, have him check for "Demodex". If he finds nothing, I would believe it is food related.

Don't let this article scare you. It's not meant to. It's just some info on this particular ailment.

http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/mange-dogs-canine-scabies

Another thing is, don't bathe your dog with soap and water often. Most of the time a wet rag will do. Some of the time a good rinsing is all that's necessary. Occasionally they need a good soap and water bath because dogs being dogs, like to roll in the most putrid smelling things and coming back to you like, "HI!!! Come and see what I smell like!!! Ain't it GREAT!!!". If you have to use soap and water, I've had very good results with Mane n Tail on those occasions when the flys won't even land on them.

http://manentail.com/products/the-original-mane-n-tail-shampoo/

Gunny 

 

 

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Thank you both! I think I may end up changing vets after this next visit if they still can't give me any clue to why her skin issues are getting so bad. The vet has skin scraped her every time I have gone. No mites or ringworms. I don't know if they tested for allergies so I will ask that tomorrow. I have given her diet a lot of thought and read a bunch of forums on what foods are best and so on. I know there are better foods than Purina out there but was going off of what the vet recommended because so many people told me so many different things about the food that I thought I would go with the vet recommended one this time because it's the vet and you should be able to trust them...or so I thought. I was overwhelmed and after blue buffalo (supposedly the BEST food to get your dog on with skin problems according to my friends) didn't work out and was anxious to get her on a food that would help her BM's. I did this very slowly but it's looking like I may have to start her on the diet you are telling me Lady Kate. It seems like a good idea and might just work for my little girl. She seems to be so sensitive to everything she eats. And thank you gun_slinger2006! I will have my vet check for Demodex. Hopefully that will let me know if we just need to focus on the food problem. I also thought that bathing her 3 times a week might cause more problems than good which is why I stopped at the second wash. I will start using the wet towel method like you suggested. We also have this lotion the vet gave me for dry skin (the first diagnosis the vet gave me for her bumps). Not sure if that would help anything since her skin isn't really dry. I'll post here what I get advised on from the vet tomorrow so I can let you guys know. Thank you again for the wonderful comments and advice!

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The verdict was a bacterial infection. We have her on anti-biotic now. Her bumps are now starting to recede so I am happy that the medicine is working. However, I am planning on switching her to grain free food to see if that helps her in the long run. The vet didn't say what caused the bumps even though we told him everything she had been doing. He said it would be too hard to narrow it down. He did tell us that it was a good thing to stop the shampoo after we noticed her bumps got worse. I guess the shampoo will make the infection really flare up. Anyways, thank you both for the great advice again!

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Jax had those bumps as a tiny dobe. They were bacterial infection which resolved with antibiotics. When we switched him to Wild Blue, continued giving him brewer's yeast, a krill oil capsule, and started putting a raw egg in his food 4X per week his coat cleared up & he is beautifully glossy with bright eyes. Keep at it, you'll find what works for your baby.

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Thank you for the recommendation Jax's Mom! I'm so stoked the bumps are going away. Glad to hear I am not the only one who has this same problem. I'm still in the process of deciding what food will work best for Shredder and am experimenting with her food right now. I'm slowly switching her to grain free food and also slowly adding egg, green beans and rice to the mix. I'm hoping this will really start helping. She is such a sweet little Doberman. I just love her to pieces!

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I have had allergy-related skin issues with my cat and allergy-related stomach issues with one of the dogs. One thing that was important with both was to think of it as a scientific experiment where you minimize the things in the diet and then one by one eliminate causes. Unfortunately, it takes a while for the impact of allergens to really change so you have to be patient to see if things make a difference. For example, grain-free is a good first step but I wouldn't add rice in and other supplements until you see if a basic diet of grain free or isolation of particular proteins make a difference. You may want to ask the vet about staph infection. There was a recent poster who thought the dog had allergies but it ended up being a staph infection I think. Hope this helps. That may have been a similar thing with Jax above? Good luck.

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Sorry I missed that you got the antibiotics. That's great. They definitely can have the sensitive stomachs so it is always a challenge on what to feed. Mine are grain free. I just started coconut oil and I'm keeping my fingers crossed they tolerate it well.

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If I could get my Jax to sit still for a moment you could see how incredible he looks! He's an adolescent so...getting him to sit still is tough...I can post pics when he finally sits! My baby blue boy is so beautiful...& such a pain in the ass! Such is the dobie... The food..worth the time to make sure your "kiddo" is getting what's right for him/her.