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Hey all,

well how's this for a continuation of the rescue responses - I know I have told you guys that I had applied for a rescue collie - there was a collector/hoarding of collies in my local area and the collie rescue 3 hours away came up and rescued all 35 of them and one was pregnant and just had puppies a couple of days ago.

This rescue has females/males/old dogs/young dogs/younsters/puppies/newborns now with that in mind here is the email I received tonight:

Thank you for considering a collie in our rescue. While we appreciate your
interest we don't feel that any collie we currently have in the program is a
good match for your particular situation. We do invite you to visit other
rescue sites ont the web. Most breed clubs operate rescue sites. Again,
thank you for your interest and we hope you find a doggy companion who will
be an important member of your family. 


Now I ask you with the variety of types of collies in this rescue right now why wouldn't one out of 45 that they have fit my needs?? and then to suggest I be pawned off to another rescue, how did they think I found them and chose them? the internet - and other collie rescues will not adopt to my area. I do the screenings for the Rottweiler rescue so I know there was NOTHING in my application that should have caused a denial Nothing unless they are afraid that they are sending their beloved collies off to be eaten by a rottweiler or that my amputation makes me less apt to be a good mom.

I am in tears right now cause we all know how much I LOVE collies and that Ben was adopted for my collie and how they bonded - he needs a friend and I need a collie.

So once again we see how a rescue can push people to seek out breeders - there is no way that one of their collies would not have a good home with me, but looks like I have been defeated by the doberman rescue and the collie rescue - so guess who's going to a collie breeder - it will be the first dog I ever searched out a breeder for, I already have one breeder in mind thanks to this site (you guys are great at helping me find my dog friends)

I am just dumbfounded by this turn of events, I can't seem to stop crying I was so sure that I would have a rescued collie by the end of the month and didn't realize how much I was expecting that until I got this refusal. Just wanted to share my heartache with others who understand it......

Tal
 

 

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Oh Tal! I'm so heartbroken to hear that!!! How can they turn you away like that? :( You should ask what made you inelligible to adopt one of the myriad of collies that they have so you can appeal to that... I mean, you're so heartbroken and I, and everyone else here, wants you to be happy :C

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It's just weird since I know the process first hand, I know there wasn't anything in the app that was red flag, and my vets office gave glowing reports on how we care for the animals and get anything that needs to be done done and that we had always had collies since they opened their vet office we were one of their first clients and we have never not had a collie so they know how we cared about our collies and told them that, so I am befuddled to say the least.  I did pop off an email asking what it was that caused the denial I will be waiting impatiently for a reply to that one. I have since looked to see if there are any collie rescues that will adopt to my area and there are none.

So it does point out the continuation of that other thread of rescue vs. breeder sometimes you have no recourse but breeder......and it's not for the lack of trying......

And yes I know everyone here knows how grief stricken I was over Goofy's sudden death and how upset this has made me, it makes Goofy's loss come right back up I feel like I lost another collie.....I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up so high, I just didn't imagine a refusal so I was already planning on how to take care of a young puppy at 3 months, how to arrange dog beds, where to put the other food bowl, etc.

thanks for the post, :)) this group always makes me feel better :)

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Oh no! I am SO sorry! Some people...I don't get it. I hope they respond to your inquiry, maybe you can work something out. What a disappointment :( 

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Ouch sorry Talisin, big hug from me and Kaiser.

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Sorry to hear that Talisin! Did you reply to them asking why you were denied?

Aww my heart is breaking with you!  I'm so sorry to hear they turned you down! I completely understand your frustration and heartbreak Tal. I hope you let us know when you get a response to your email letting you know why you were denied. This is just another prime example of how good families get truned down by rescues. Don't loose heart. Another Collie is in your future, it just may not be a rescue as you had hoped. Don't give up

Im so sorry that this happened to you knowing how important having another Collie is to you. I cant wait to hear their response to why the denial. Hugs to you.

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Tal I am so sorry!  I know how you must feel.  I also got another response from a dobe rescue just outside of my area.  She said they do not adopt to people without fences, however, they DO pull many dogs from the shelters near me and I should check with them.  WHAT?  So they are OK with me adopting a dog form the shelter before they get there?  But the same dog would be unavailable to me once they took the dog?  Please tell me I'm not the only one who finds this competely unaccepatable!  There is no logic to some of these rescues, dobe or otherwise who really don't take the time to know what is really going on.

Again, I am so sorry!  I'm beginning to rethink rescue myself.  I'm not sure it will be possible.

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Oh Tal, it all doesn't make sense to us the "know" you.  I assume that you diligently cruise Petinder?  Also, all the shelters in this area post their adoptables on Ebay classified.  I try to stay off that because I see dobermans on those places fairly regularly.  My collie just came to me by a fluke and he was just fabulous.  I know there's one out there waiting for you.

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Wow!  Just Wow!

I'm really starting to loose sympathy for rescues.  I actually was going to start promoting some on some of my websites, but now I'm seriously reconcidering any pro bono web development or marking.

This is just wrong.   

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so sorry to hear this but don't give up yet.  Maybe once they respond and some lines of communication are opened it can be worked out.  At first glance, you already have a rescue that costs you quite a bit of money AND you are am amputee.  That certainly should not disqualify you BUT from a stranger looking at it those are some things they might be concerned about.  I think it's just easier for them to deny people at first because most just go away at that point and I'm guessing they go through hundreds of aps.   The ones that come back to them again and again to talk and work things out show they truely have got their ducks in a row and really want this and I would hope they would be willing to talk more and re-consider.   I hope so much for you that it works out.....keep us updated.

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Thanks everybody, it is frustrating. Weird thing is I joined their yahoo group back in October and have had numerous emailings with this woman and she invited me down to visit with the dogs and get to know them and then this, what a turn around. Something made this woman decide that none of her 45 dogs were coming to my house - what could have been so horrid?? a Rottie? an amputee? cats? collies are the most adaptable dogs I know and usually love all animals so I don't get it.....

And SonLight I got that same type of thing, "sorry you won't get one of my dogs but I sure hope you find one at another rescue and good luck", What??? I'm good enough for another rescue but not theirs. I even stated in the app where it asks what other animal groups do you work with and mentioned all the local ones here and the rottie rescue being an app processor myself and newsletter creator so good grief I would have figured she knew if I was capable of throwing red flags on other people then I wouldn't have any red flags of my own. I also told her that I had had collies for the past 26 years non-stop and how my home is just not a home without a collie. And before I did the application I volunteered to help transport the rescue collies to her since I only live 25 miles from where they were taken from, surely she could see I am not a bad bad person. I am one of the more active voices for animals in my area and don't hesitate to get involved in an animal abuse case. So yes I am not a home that you want to send your collie too???? and the question about understanding the grooming needs I said I bonded with my collie through brushing and I love to groom/brush them, I spent 2 hours a day every day brushing my collies - love it - now how many people can say that one, hahahahaha.....good lord.....

Obviously not all rescues work like the ones we have been talking about recently since I do have Benjaman.  The Rottweiler rescue was so fun to work with and such a delight I think it depends on the person who is "protecting" the dogs and their attitude. Maybe no one is good enough in their eyes?? I don't know.....

Everyone I know is in total shock about this denial, even my vet office is stunned, I told them and they were just as shocked as I was, so that's a plus. I am hoping it isn't breed fear with Ben or something like that, I do get the feeling I will not get an answer from her though.

and d_spaghetti find rescues you can support that have the same values in their rescue that you have, maybe they could even give you references to check to see if they were friendly to work with that sort of thing, I still believe in rescues even after the dober fiasco and this one, and hope you will continue to consider supporting them too, they are much needed but obviously there is room for improvement in some areas.

Thanks again everybody, I never thought I would truly have to find a breeder for a collie, geesh and I did forget that I did seek a breeder out for a doberman that litter isn't due until October, I will give myself a bit of time but I think I will cancel that "hold" for me, I didn't realize how much I would miss a collie so I will probably pick collie over doberman at this stage. I will just live vicariously through you guys, :))

 

 

 

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oh jeez, so you actually KNOW the woman that turned you down???   Not sure why some people bother to work in rescues, many don't really care at all it seems.  Sorry, but don't give up....there's a collie out there that needs you, you just haven't found them yet.

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Yes real blow since she had invited me down;  I even volunteered to paint a large canvas of collies that they could raffle off at one of their events as a fund raiser.....really weird......yea, I usually think that way, there is a reason this happened but dang it hurts when it happens......I don't feel like I am over reacting since most of you feel it was a shocker too. And as odd as it sounds I do know some rescues raise an eyebrow when you are eager to help out - now how odd is that??? but it is true....they figure if you are too eager to help there has to be alterior motive.....go figure.....

I would be very polite but I'd push is some.  Squeaky wheel and all that.  Ask for an explanation (nicely nicely) of why they don't think you would qualify for one of their rescues.  You never know.

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That's just terrible. And to think you were known to them in the first place. Total lack of sense...and yes, it only continues the bad reputation rescues have amongst dog seekers.

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I'm soo sorry this happened Tal... My prayers are going out that you'll be able to get them to reconsider. 

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Hi Fitzmar, like the new pic by the way. I did wait for an answer all day and waited till just a bit ago to try again to get an explanation a second time via email, I kept it to the facts by stating that I knew that my vet was called but none of my references, that I had taken care of the rabies for the cats immediately (big duh on that one), that I had a fenced, padlocked yard, stayed home during the day, and that by stating that none of 40 some odd dogs would be right for my home with no references called, tells me that there was something in the application that she deemed incorrect for adopting and I would like to know what that was, I also asked whether or not they call applicants when there is something that needs clarification and offering to send me on my way to another rescue without an explanation was just setting me up for another denial. And as a processor of apps myself I had looked back over my app and could not find anything that I would have red flagged. I did specifically ask this time if it was because I also have a rottweiler and cats.  Of course I wrote it in a professional manner and closed by asking "respectfully I ask that you take another look at my app and give me an explanation of denial". I hope that she doesn't continue to ignore my emails and gives me an explanation.

I hope that sounded factual enough without being pushy and shows the level of confusion I am at with it. I have never been one to accoust someone either over the phone or via email, not worth it, if I can't do it nicely and professional without all the emotional hooplah that some people get into then it isn't worth fighting for; facts should speak for themselves.

Thanks for the support guys :))

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I so hope this works out for you.  I can tell how passionate and what a caring pet owner you are.  I think you did the right thing by asking for clarification.  How else will you know?  Best of luck to you.  I just left Kaiser at my boyfriend's house because I have to work tomorrow : (... I already miss him crazy.

 

Mary Fitz and Kaiser

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Oh Tal, I am so sorry this is happened to you.  You have really have had a rough few months.  But don't worry you wil find the right Collie for you even if they don't have it.  I really do think that the rescues get a little crazy with their adoption policies.  You are a strong, determined, loving woman and shame on them for not realizing it!  *hugs*

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Hey Tal, I'm so sorry to hear this but don't you dare give up! I know that there will be a Collie for you, this seem like a form letter they send out without bothering to explain why they came to this decision. I would press for an answer eventhough it may not change their decision you should be made aware of their reasoning. Its their loss, we know you would be an excellent mom!

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Hey control freak haven't seen you in a while, thanks for the support. You know with the dober rescue denial; adopting Ben YAY!; all of Ben's issue with health; Goofy dying; rescuing the cat from the dead man's house then having to euthanize her; picking up her ashes; setting up a spay for one of the feral cats here; then applying for a collie and being denied it has been a rough time and that's just the animals, if I added in the human problems (mom's) I would just need to find a hole and crawl in it, hahahahaa you know I did look to see if there were any other rescues for collies that would adopt here and the only other one - ready for this - is also run by this same woman, so by telling me to find another rescue was ridiculous she has a monopoly on this area so she knew I wouldn't be able to find one. But I do have a couple of options with breeders so for now I will just see if I get an explanation.

Thanks Kaiser, :)) I bet you are missing your baby!! Hard to leave them with anyone and drive away, but you get your baby back tomorrow night.

I am going to be watching the dog show tomorrow and taping the Puppy Bowl love those little rescue puppers this year they are having baby pot belly pigs that need homes as the half time, really cute way to get these dogs, cats and now pigs adopted.

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Tal- I still lurk in the shadows just don't post that often anymore...unless I am really compelled to :)  But yes you hav been through hell and back in your life...don't worry though it will get better and you know what? The hell on them!  I say it's their loss.

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yes it would be one less collie looking for a home wouldn't it?? Guess what? Ben's foster mom who no longers works with the rottweiler group (politcial in fighting stuff she was banned just cause she talked to the "other person" type situation, I hate that stuff) but anyway, she has offered that if I find a rescue with collies down her way she will vouch for me in person and will deliver the collie to me 5-6 hours away - cause she said she has seen my home and seen my other animals and everyone is very happy and relaxed and she can't think of a better home, and she knows how much Ben bonded with Goofy and wants to see him have another collie buddy. I did not know how many people would be behind me on this, how amazing to learn of such support from you guys and now Ben's other mom. She is starting her own rescue and we email weekly so we keep in touch and I send her pics of Beniebaby and thank her all the time for the 8 months of hard work and health care she gave him. We will be friends for as long as we have Ben and then some I hope.

Control Freak don't lurk too long, pop in every now and again and say hi!! Thanks for all the kind words and support everybody if I didn't have all this I know I would have given up on collies and just decided another dog was out. You're the fire under my butt on this one.....

Oh still no email from this rescue as to what happened....

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I am soooo sorry to hear this Tal!!! Its absolutly rediculous!!

And SonLight I know how you feel!!! They told me the same thing!! That they wouldnt adopt to me because of 3 reasons:

1.) I have never owned a doberman before. (Well duh but that doesnt mean anything!! I have owned all sorts of breeds of dogs....so it shouldnt matter that its a Dobie!!!)

2.) I do not have a fenced in yard! (I have always owned dogs and have never had a fence and none have died because of being hit or anything like that they have all died of old age or cancer!!!)

3.) I am young and they think that I will have children as soon as I get a Dobie!!! This is absolutly stupid because I have 2 godchildren and I DONT WANT KIDS!!! I might like 10-15 years down the road but as of right now I unfortunatly hate to say it but I HATE kids!! (Not my godchildren of course)

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Hi KKolberg2007,

That number 1 is totally ridiculous as how do you ever get that experience in the first place? I have found that the rescues complain way too much about having too many dogs to place but refuse good homes.  That’s just a fact.  They are too narrow in their search for homes and that is fine, but then don’t complain about having too many dogs in rescue. 

The other two reasons don't make sense either....not to just refuse someone on paper for these reasons.  Some people are young and can never have kids!  I've never had a fenced yard and live in the country.  Again, if the rescues don't like that it's ok.  But I hold a deaf ear to their cry for help.  I am willing to help.  I find it interesting they will take my money but won't let me care for a dog in need.  They don't allow me to.  It's a shame really.  But I have come to just accept it and move on.  I know my heart was in the right place   I love my other rescues!

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My thoughts exactly SonLight!!!

Unfortunatly this is pushing me to buy from breeders which is not really what I wanted to do bc I have rescued pretty much every animal I have now! Plus it is just so hard to think about buying a dobie that is over $1500!!!! I as a college student and working do not have that kind of money! I am saving up as much as I can in my puppy fund but it is just never going to be enough for a top of the line dog which is pushing me to go looking for a not so high quality dog. Now I know that a lot of people would just tell me that I should just keep saving until I get all the money then I can get the puppy, but I dont know........................Im still trying to make sure I get a puppy from a high quality breeder!

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KKolberg2007 all my current dogs were rescued also.  In fact, every dog I've had in the last 10 years with 1 exception has been a rescue.  All different breeds.  We are on different spectrums age wise...I have two daughters that must be about your age  BUT the situation you have described is exactly what MANY people go through when looking to get a dobe.  Some get lucky and get a nice healthy dog at a good price, some are not so lucky and have many health problems with their dobe.  If you keep trying you may find something that is not too high price-wise from a good background.  And some good breeders have puppies/adults returned to them that need homes.  Don't give up!  Rescue for a dobe is not an option for me right now.  So I'm in the same boat you are.  But I'm getting close   You have to wade through a lot of crap sometimes to see the jewel. 

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wow, i cant believe that they would turn down someone trying to save a dog! I feel for you, that is terrible!

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@KKolberg2007: you have GOT to be kidding...they denied you because you "might" have kids? That has got to be the most ridiculous reason I have ever heard! If an employer were to deny someone a job on those grounds, they'd get the pants sued off of them.

Absolutely insane.