How much is too much?

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I know every dog is different, and that especially at this age Ginger and the other pups on here are growing like weeds, but I am concerned about her weight. I feed her twice a day (in the morning around 7-8 then at night at 5:30) at 2 and 1/2 cups a time. Thats what it says on the bag for her weight (Canidae ALS) but I've never had a Dobe before so she always looks like a hungry third world kid to me, lol. I tried for an hour to get a good picture of her whole body but this was the best i could get. She weighs 35 lbs as of a week ago and she just turned 5 months on the 8th.

Should I try to up her portions and stop if she starts gaining too much or am I just being a overcautious momma? lol

 

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Well Shiba first off she looks good to me...but with that said,,,how fast is she finishing the food? Does she act like she still hungry when all is gone? and keep in mind the back of the bag is just a suggestion. I also been feeding Buddy Canadae ALS SINCE he was a pup but now i feed the  Canadae ALS Grain free..he does excellent on it..with much less poop and coat is shiny. Personally I think you being a overly cautious momma..lol. But thats what mommas do, correct?

 

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Lol, yeah, I guess thats what moms are for...hehe

I'd LOVE to feed her the grain free ALS but sadly they dont sell it where I live and its kinda pricey to order.and as far as eating quickly... she is a scarfer...and has been since we got her. She eats her food off of a pizza pan on the floor so that she doesnt eat so quickly(before she finished 2 cups in a minute or less, now she takes about 3-5 minutes)...and she is ALWAYS hungry, lol..she'd eat the entire bag if I would let her...so if I went be "does she seem hungry" she would weigh 800lbs, lol

I'm not trying to be paranoid about it, just sometimes when I look at her standing a certain way she just looks so thin, and I would never want to keep her too thin...just healthy

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She doesn't look too thin in the picture to me!  When you say she looks "thin" what do you mean?  Can you see all of her ribs when she's standing?  I think if she was seriously underweight you would be able to tell, as opposed to just a gangly tween.  If she still seems energetic and happy then I'm sure she's fine.  When Dakota was 5 months she was eating about 5 cups a day as well, but I've heard of some puppies eating as much as 8 a day so I'm sure it wouldn't do her any harm to increase her food a bit if you think she's still hungry.  I know Dakota will just stop eating when she's full, I would assume other puppies would be the same? 

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Lisa my breeder told me girls gain and grow so differently and slower than males in her opinion. I was concerned that the little bug raven was only 25 lbs and she is only 2.5 weeks younger than Cisco and he is a whopping 44lbs at 17 weeks. He towers over her! You figure if they say what is true about quadrupling their weight at 4 months - your girl will be fine! (Cisco wanted me to tell Ginger - that Raven isnt his girlfriend he still loves her.. they are brother and sister so don't be jealous)

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Dogs, especially when they are growing, go through some lanky phases like sweetpea said.  Here is a chart we used in one of the vet office's I worked for:

See how the ideal dog still has ribs showing, but a trim waist?  The difference in the too thin is that the ribs are protruding.  From what I can tell, she's perfectly on track!  My dogs are always lean and some people get lean confused with skinny.  But it's the healthiest for them.

If she is still scarfing her food you might want to work with her on that a little more.  If you have the time, you can teach her to slow down simply by being beside her when she eats and picking the food up out of her reach, making her sit, and replacing it.  If she starts going crazy for it again, up it goes.  You will basically force her to pace herself.  Though your pizza pan is a good idea.  Also, since she tends towards inhaling her food, you might want to soak it a bit in warm water so it is already expanded before it hits her stomach.  It might save you headaches with tummy aches later on.

I free feed Steve in the sense I don't clock how much food he takes in, though I know on average its about 6 cups give or take the day.  Some days he is hungrier than others.  I feed him a cup or two at a time.  Food is always "around" in this household so I don't time feed.  For me, free feeding (or close to it) is just easier because then I don't have begging pooches around certain times of the day.  ;)

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Thanks so much for posting that chart Jeshkai! Since she is still in the lanky stage and im used to having old poofy fox around it messes with my mind to see her trot around so trim and fit hehe.

We do put water in her food to moisten it, I cant imagine ever free feeding her (though it would be wonderful) she would eat all the food in her bowl and then be searching for more XD She has slowed quite a bit since we started pan feeding her, but i intend on eventually getting one of those slow down bowls (they are just pricey for our budget atm 0.o)

 

Its okay Cisco, Ginger and I had a chat about Raven last night, and Ginger thinks she is the cutest thing! And she also poked me to remind him that Valentines day is coming up hehe

 

its the top views that made me nervous

 

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Her waist tapers a lot, she might just be in a growing stage so you can add a little more to her feedings I think or she can have more cookies through out the day! But nothing bad!

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I will remind him lol! Cisco has a thin waist for as big as he is and as much as he eats- but he is 44 lbs so I am soooo not worried about him... I am interested to see when Raven gets to 5 months where she will be in comparison to ginger...

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looking at the top view pic my opinion would be to up her food a little bit...maybe 1/2 a cup, she does look a little thin but while they grown one day they can look over-weight and 5 days later they look to thin.   

 

Rocky free feeds and he easily eats close to twice the 'recomended' amounts on the bag however he is lean and healthy so I don't care.  He gets more than the average in exercise and eats accordingly.  At 5 months he was about 50+ lbs....but males are usually larger.

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Thanks for posting that chart Jeshykai, what a good reference! 

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We mostly used it to show people how fat their dogs were.. that is more common with the labs and goldens, unlike our pups who just seem to run off all their food! :)

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Nupe, Buddy looks awsome. He looks as if he could guard the whole neighbourhood! Girls have their feminine wiles so don't need the bulk to command the respect.

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Dobies are so hard to judge because they are so slender in the abdominal area. I usually just go by the ribs. If you can feel them but not see them, it's ok. If you can't feel them, then cut back. If you can see them, increase just a bit.

With growing kids, it's probably not a bad idea to err on the side of giving them a bit too much. If they leave a bit, that's ok, keep feeding that amount until there isn't any left, then you can bump it up a bit again. As they grow, they need to increase their intake until after they turn one, at which time you need to start paring back again. At one point I was feeding Princess as much a 7 cups a day, not she is getting a touch over 4. She gets 2 cups in the morning and then after I feed the Schnauzers, she gets a bonus of a little less than 1/4 cup. In the evening she gets just the 2 cups.

But, she is over 2 years now (26 months) and weighs around 70-72 pounds. She may be just a touch over ideal weight.

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Dobies are so hard to judge because they are so slender in the abdominal area. I usually just go by the ribs. If you can feel them but not see them, it's ok. If you can't feel them, then cut back. If you can see them, increase just a bit.

 

 

rGREEN...THIS is a great way to look at , the whole.."am i feeding too much or not enough thing'.

 

And Buddy says ty Expat for compliment. :)

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Our Grim was thin as could be and we took him to the Vet. They said it was cause he was taller then most Dobes. However we slowy introduced him to Taste of the Wild with buffalo in it.  He is doing so well and no more stinky farts! Its not cheap though.

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We switched to Taste of the Wild recently and it isn't cheap but Steve's farts have gotten WORSE.. lol.  I think I'm going to look into probiotics for him.

And btw -- they do sell a version of this at Costco and it is much cheaper!  My friends buy there.  I'm going to once I'm certain we're sticking with it.

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We are switching over to the costco brand I am hoping it helps w/ her farts= they are awul 10x worse than cisco's!!!!!!

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As I was reading this Dakota let a really dirty one rip, SOOO bad I could smell it right through the faux fur throw she's snuggled under!  Someone needs to invent a fart-be-gone dog food...I would be the first to buy!  They always seem to stink the worst when they are sleeping too.

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Oh and Mandy - I think girls farts ALWAYS stink worse than boys, hands down!!  (This goes for people as well as dogs)  Not too lady like I tell ya but when there's a storm a brewin what can you do!!!

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Hahaha! Ah, Steve sleeps on Elis side of the bed for a reason. My friends carry matches to "clear the air" after Maynard... ;)

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I have never had a dog who farts as much and as stinky as these 2!!!! This morning after I let them out they can and snuggled up with me on the couch one on each side and it was like dueling banjo farts.... I swear there was a green fog in the air after it!!!!

Grossssss!

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Ahahaha!  How sweet, cisco and raven were playing you a song!  Who would have guessed they would bring out the musical tallent in each other ;);)

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SWEETPEA LMBO!!!! That made my day! has to get award of best comment of the day!

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lol all you need now is a couple more puppies and you'll have yourself a whole symphony! 

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Warning - never read GD forum comments while drinking coffee. Monitor and keyboard are hard to clean up.

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Ahhh- They were doing it again last night (but then I had added bonus off hubby in the mix!) I left the room at one point it was sooo bad!

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Mandy, Sweetpea, Jess.. you're killin me!

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your dog is beautiful! :)

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Just wanted to add to the "noise and smell" part of this yet again... Raven my beautiful little petite lady is now burping and they are like manly man burps- A) is this normal? My akita burped and the vet said it was probably because he ate too much to fast... If that is the case w/ her any suggestions to get her to slow down? B) they are almost stinkier (its a word) than her poots.... She came up on the couch last night laid her head on daddy's lap and the stuff coming out of both ends were a bit foul... Cisco since being on TOW has no gas issues anymore. Her poo is solid but she is burping and farting away constantly - could it be something else (maybe treats?)

please help before I have to fumigate the whole house!

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To get her to slow down, try using a round cake pan instead of a dog pan. Then spread the food out on the pan. It will be impossible for her to get a big mouthful to gulp. Sometimes I don't think they even chew it, just swallow it.

You do realize that their digestion and ours is different. We chew our food not only to get it small, but also to start the digestive process which starts in our mouth. Their digestion is totally in their stomach. Wolves, when feeding, pull of a chunk of meat and swallow it. The teeth are to cut, not grind. Only their last few teeth are molars, the rest are fangs and incissors (sissors). The fangs are for grabbing and incissors for cutting and ripping.

So to grab and gulp it down quickly is a natural reaction for them. Unfortunately, with dry dog food it does not work too well. I used to pre-moisten the dry dog food for mine when they were young. I think I am going to start doing it again for Princess and Red and see if it slows them down any.

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Thanks Richard I will try that I have a 9X11 stainless pan that I don't use ever I will try putting her  food in there and maybe start moistening it again too...

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this made me curious so I had to snap a pic and see exactly what Rocky looked like in comparison with the chart - seems about right to me.  Thoughts anyone?

 

 

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He looks good to me -- he has a slight tapering so he has a "waist."  Our guys are big chested so the chart is hard to gauge off of because they used your average lab who almost always is obese! ;)

Another way to check is when you feel his waist, go up to two ribs, you should be able to feel them too.  If you get no obvious change from ribs to waist, you're on the chunkier side.  Anytime a dog looks like a "box" when you stare down over them they are too heavy.

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you can feel his ribs but like you mention but they don't stick out or anything.  I thought he looked about right to the chart.  His chest and ribs are not as wide as many Dobermans, his parents were tall but did not have the big barrel chested look they were much leaner and he seems to be following suit exactly. 

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I used a Break-fast dog bowl a few weeks until he learned to eat slow.

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I use those bowls that have the protruding posts that force them to eat around the posts which makes them slow down. The collie was afraid of it so I had to take it away. Collies are so sensitive to things so now I just have to feed him a little bit several times a day.