8 Month old Doberman for adoption in NYC AREA

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Regrettably we think we will not be able to adopt our current foster dog.

Amazing dog, sweetest, most playful wonderful dog ever. Pulled from a kill shelter in kentucky, we were his only chance. Stunning, almost totally housetrained, crate trained, doesn't bark, simply a wonderful dog. We are just fostering him, would love to see him with a backyard or someone who works from home and can give him ample exercise. Needs basic obedience training and has an accident every once in awhile, but he is a puppy, a big one at that! Around 75lbs he will still grow. Please email with information on yourself, your home, your family and why you would be perfect for this gorgeous, amazing boy. Adoption fee applies to "In Our Hands Rescue"

 

link to my post on Craigslist below for more information...

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pet/3185906884.html

Please feel free to crosspost. And we cannot surrender him to Doberman rescue, In our Hands Rescue is 'responsible' for him and bringing him up from Kentucky. 

 

Thanks everyone :)

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Why is he on craigslist if he's already part of a rescue? I'm confused

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They have many other dogs and aren't able to dedicate as much time to finding and screening homes as I would like so I am helping out by raising awareness for him and going through potential adopters. In NY, often rescues post on Craigslist to raise awareness. Almost all of them do.

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What a gorgeous boy! Wish we could help here in Arizona but got our hands full with a 5 month old who is now 50+ pounds and growing. Good luck finding your guy a home! Cheers~

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I know why rescues post to craigs list but I think it's a terrible venue for animals as there is no screening process; it just seems like a last ditch effort to "get rid of" an animal. I hate craig's list for animals.......just had to vent on that one.

Alot of rescues post to get interest I just don't think it brings in the proper home, after all if you are looking on craigs list you are looking for something cheap or free and that's necessarily how to find a good home.......if you know what I mean.

I hope he finds the perfect home for him and his needs, and I sincerely hope that the proper screening process and home checks are done if this person comes in from craigs list, it's just scary to me.......

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It bothers me to see a doberman listed on Craigslist, also.  That's why I took DJ from her owner when she couldnt keep her any longer--she was trying to list her on Craigslist, and I know that there are way too many 'secret' dog fighting rings in the Indianapolis area. I believe that it would be too easy for some unscrupulous person to lie about who they are and what their intentions are, only to get that doberman and use it for fighting or for baiting a fighting dog.  I wish they would ban listing animals on places like Craigslist.

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boo to craigslist! However, he is sooo cute! I wish I was ready for another dobie and I'd be able to help you out!

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I hate to sound so skeptical, but she doesn't mention a rescue application in the ad.  Don't most rescues require at least a formal application?  She requests information, but not in a formal way.  Maybe it is because I am working with a large national rescue, and they do things much differently, but I don't trust how this is being conducted.

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In case anyone has not made the connection please refer to General Forum under Doggy Bootcamp, this is the same person and the same dog.  I think this will clear up some questions.

Jeri & Shelbi

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Nope, I didn't make that connection.  Sorry!

Sara, I hope you continue to work with this dog and use some the of the amazing advice you can find on this forum.  We are natually very protective of this breed, as you have noticed, and craigslist can be a scary place.  Like DJ's Dad, Harley was going to be listed on cragislist, before I took him in.

If you would like, I can send you over a sample adoption application form that you can send to potential adopters.  It is geared towards Cavaliers, but I am sure we can do some editing.  Hopefully it can help weed out unfit potential adopters.

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First you want to send him off for training, then that's too much work or money, now you post him on Craiglist?    Why don't you just trade him for a set a rims or something....since it's pretty obvious that the 'rescue' you got him from is worthless.  No rescue would allow YOU to post him and screen applicants.  What makes you qualified to find him a home anyway?  you can't even control him.

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Wow, Lori. That is one of the most disrespectful, meanspirited and nasty things I've read in a long time. I posted him on Craigslist to raise awareness for him. I adopted my dog from Craigslist. Tons of rescue post their dogs on craigslist (and fosters for rescues) and then screen them and ensure that the people are the right people for the dog. Craigslist is simply a vehicle to drive awareness in this case. I'm pretty confident my post weeded people out pretty quickly since I recieved few to no quality responses.

So you are blaming the rescue being worthless on me? That seems fair. We saved this dogs life, he was next in line for the gas chamber. I am doing the best I can to find him a wonderful home, and Craigslist isn't perfect but there is an ability to find people who might actually be great (Ie: my husband and I who adopted our dog on CL 4 years ago) and I would then send them directly to the rescue to fill out their paperwork and information.

Why don't I trade him for a set of rims? I seriously hope if you find yourself ever in need of advice and help and have come to try to do the right thing no one treats you as disrespectfully as you have treated me. I am doing absolutely nothing wrong, all of you who are completely in love with this breed I thought would be happy to hear one had been saved and was on his way to finding a wonderful forever home, but instead I have been met by judgement and criticism. 

"You can't even control him". Unclear as to where that came from, I can "control" him, but an almost 80lb untrained PUPPY needs intense training and work which we don't have the knowledge base to give him, hence considering sending him to training or hiring a professional trainer, neither of which I think are bad options when you consider the myriad of alternatives and other homes that might not invest time, energy and resources into him. 

Lori I am so sad that the generosity of spirit of some members on this board are overshadowed by your crass, unintelligent and disrespectful comment. I am disappointed that you stand in judgement of something I have done with absolutely no respect for my feelings or the time, energy and money my husband and I have put into saving Tuck's life. I really wonder what you think you would get out of posting a comment like that? To hurt me? To shame me into something? That comment unfortunately more made me want to dump him back with the rescue and wash my hands of this entire situation. I truly hope no one ever makes you feel the way I felt when I read your comment. I read that comment minutes after my dog walker had taken them for a nice first of two hour long walks today, which I paid for, part of the price we have paid for saving his life.

Thank you again to the people who have remained kind and helpful, but I definitely think this board unfortunately is not the right place for me. A forum for people to be nasty to each other is nowhere I want to be

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"Adoption fee applies to In our Hands Rescue". It's right there in the post. It is not a large national rescue but a foster network. I had "liked" them on facebook, saw a plea for Rocky's (now Tuck's) life and decided to help since he was next to die. You don't hate to sound skeptical, you want to agree with the other people on this board who have demonized me for saving his life and not being perfect :) But such is life. 

Here is a link to him on Petfinder

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/23580573

We 'renamed' him Tuck since we didn't like the name Rocky and he came from Kentucky.

Also feel free to peruse Craigslist in NYC and see how rescues operate, and foster families post ads for dogs in their care on behalf of the rescues. It might be different in NYC than other states. But as I also mentioned, my husband and i adopted a dog off Craigslist. We gave her a second chance too. But who's counting, right?

Sadly, once again, doing the best I can clearly is never enough here.

 

Harley-

Edited to ad I saw your other response. I appreciate your offer for help and your kindness.

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Well of coarse, you all know me.  I had to do some research on this.  I found this interesting blog: http://www.thatmutt.com/2011/06/08/is-it-bad-to-post-dogs-on-craigslist/

The thing is, there is so much bad stuff out there.  Puppy flippers and such, dog fighting looking for bait dogs, and labs... it is just so scary.  I shudder to think that Harley could of ended up in one of those places.  And I personally don't think that people can re-home dogs without a rescue's help to screen and do home checks and such (I know you are working with a rescue, Sara, this isn't pointed at you).  I hate that "rehoming" fee that people do on craigslist.  I makes me feel like people are profitting from giving up their dogs.  

But people are looking for dogs that way, so maybe the rescues should use that avenue.  There are just so many animals that need homes!

I guess I just have mixed feelings on the whole thing and I don't know what the answer is.

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Towards the end of that blog someone commented that most fighting rings pick up dogs where the ad says, "Free to a good home."  So I guess a re-homing fee is a good thing?

I guess you all can see that I mixed feelings on this.  The rescue I work for has it's own website, but I know that most organizations are not as large.  Here is a link to the rescue I work for in case anyone is interested to see how they do things: http://www.cavalierrescueusa.org/

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A rehoming fee is a requirement (in my understanding) to deter people looking for free dogs. I made it clear there was a rehoming fee that would need to be paid to the foster network and deleted every single email that asked "How much is he?"

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Sarah, I think you are doing the best you possibly can for Tuck!  I wish you all the best in finding him a wonderful home. If he were a "she" I'd be taking a drive to New York. Seriously.

I'm sorry that the posts here have, at times been less than "GENTLE."  Obviously, everyone here loves the breed, and there are strong emotions attached to that. It doesn't excuse rudeness, however.

BTW - I read Craig's List frequently, and many rescues do advertise on it. So do the shelters. You still have to go through an application process. There is an adoption fee. Some very high, some reasonable. Some have very stringent qualifications. Some, not so much. I don't see that stopping any time soon - many rescues prefer to adopt out locally so they can visit prospective homes as well.

As for a "re-homeing" fee - it is strongly suggested, because people wanting fighting dogs or dogs for research don't want to pay much, if anything. That, and people who "flip" dogs are just waiting for free pets - you will frequently see them turn the dog around for a $50-100 profit the same day they acquire a dog. With a reasonable fee, they aren't interested, because the chances of them making a profit go down considerably. (They also have no problem lying to you about where the dog is going, and how the kids are gonna love it, yada, yada, yada....)

I found out how naive I really was when I started reading posts.  :-(

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Thanks Kim :) Reading your kind words really made my day.

 

We are going to have him fostered with a new foster who has a backyard (EXACTLY what he needs) and is used to high energy big dogs and knows how to work with them. and they have promised me they are working to find him a perfect home with a backyard and the promise of ample training, exercise, love and compassion. Unfortunately we didn't feel in our heart of hearts we could confine him to a 1 bedroom apartment. While our weim is content to lounge around all day and relax, he is constantly on the go and needs more than our small space could offer. We selfishly wanted to keep him, but also know that the more attached we got the worse it would be. So the offer still stands if anyone has someone they know to adopt him, I will put anyone in touch with the rescue and push them through as "DOBE" people so that they can be first in line for this special boy. We love him to death, but every day we keep him is a day we come closer to never letting him go, and a month was all anyone asked of us. 

 

Thanks again for those who were helpful, constructive and kind. I will update if/when I find out about the home he goes to. I am sure this post will yield nasty comments about how I am a bad person for giving him to the other foster home in the network, but unfortunately I am just not interested in hearing that. Tuck is alive today because we offered to take him in for awhile, not forever. Without our commitment, he would not have had a spot on the transfer truck and would have died a month ago. He now has the chance for a wonderful home and the foster network will keep him safe with a woman who is well versed in large rescue dogs until that perfect home comes along for him. 

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Bless you for what you've done for Tuck.  Sounds like you did your very best and that is not always the easiest thing to do.

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You're welcome, Sarah!

I'm sure Tuck will be happy to have a yard to run in, but there will always be a place in his heart for you for saving his life. And I'm sure he'll always be in yours.

YOU made a difference.

I understand if you don't stick around on this forum, but wish you and your loved ones, (and yes, Tuck, too,) a wonderful life.

God bless you.

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Same to you, Kim!!!!!!! Thanks again for being so wonderful :) 

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I know several people in the Rat Terrier world that foster dogs out of shelters and keep them long enough to work out some problems the dog has, do a little training if necessary, and actively help the rescue groups screen adoptive applicants for the right place for those dogs to be.  Nothing wrong with being a temporary foster home for a dog, but your original post was asking for advice on training or boot camp, actually, and some of us got the idea that you intended to keep him. 

BIG communication gap here, I think.

I wish you luck, and especially Tuck.  I hope he finds the perfect place to go so he can finally unpack his bags and settle in for good.

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Paul-

We were simply assigned to hold him for a short while to save his life. Then we did intend to keep him at a point/were looking into it as per my questions, but had never made a decision. We were never fostering to adopt, we were just leaning in that direction since he captured our hearts and wanted to do lots of research if we chose to keep him so we would have information at our disposal, and that information and research also helped inform our decision. We are sad it will not work out but glad we could at least save his life. He will find a wonderful home, we wish it were ours.

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Well, thank you for saving his life.  Not too many people will step up to do that when they have doubts on if it will work out or not with them.  The bright side is, NOW you have a better idea about what all is involved with keeping and training a young doberman, so the next time a similar situation comes up, you'll have a much better idea in what you'd be getting yourself into, and might not want to go that route at all, plus, you can give some real-life experiences with him to adoptive prospects so that they might be a little better prepared, also. 

I believe we ALL have learned something from your experience with Tuck.

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Good Job!! Hooray for Tuck!  Hope he finds a forever home...  As my son says knowledge is nothing, experience is everything.  I researched and researched before I got Kaiser and I am still suprised at his engery level and I am a very, active person...  They definitely need to run and run everyday we do... pooped but happy.

Mary and Kaiser

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Oh how wonderful for Tuck!!! I know it had to be hard to decide to let him move on to another foster family, I know when an animal comes through my front door, they are mine, hahahaha, they have a permanent home if that's what THEY want, so I know how hard it was to have had him for this length of time and then let him go.

Here's hoping Tuck finds a quick loving permanent home!!! Do keep us posted on where he ends up and how he is doing. :)) Thanks for saving his life. That's how I got my rottie Ben, he was literally being walked down the hall to the gas chamber when the techs decided he was too nice to die that day and called a rescue who retrieved him within the hour. Thank god for people who can walk into a shelter and just take one or two but at least they take those one or two......Tuck was like my Ben a very lucky dog that day.....