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People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

BTW this IS NOT the only thread that has been looked down upon by certain people here.

You know who you are.

I've been a member of DT since March of 2006 - and I think I've only had my hand slapped a couple of times  :-)  I am known for having a bit of a temper when pushed, but I never look to humiliate people. I'm not here to cause problems - Mary is a friend and can certainly hold her own in any situation.  I just have some extra time on my hands during the summer and thought maybe I could enjoy another forum.

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Whoa, I am confused

What just happened here.  I am all for helping people that are misinformed and spreading valiable knowledge but I def don't enjoy self rightenous and berating.  I sure hope this is not the road our forum is going down.

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Hey guys and gals... If you don't have anything better to do than what I'm reading here... stay where you came from

This forum is not designed for this kind of garbage.. go out and run your dogs, spend some of that misguided energy in a positive way... YOUR DOGS!!

CF don't despair.. they don't get the attention they feel is warrented on the other forums and/or blogs.. so they have to troll over here.. They'll get bored soon if we just ignore them..

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CF and ladyK I'm with you

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OH wow! Haven't visited here in a couple days and I am almost sorry I did- I was on DT and left because I got bashed and emailed privately rude- awful hurtful things because I got my dogs from whom I got them from....  I used to go there from time to time and was always disgusted at the bullying over there- I had it happen to me first hand.

You are all welcome here- But do not as Kevin said start a pissing match here- It isn't wanted or needed. We like our gentle, friendly place and if you can't play nice please go away.

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Mandy.. I think they got the hint. Wasn't that icky?? I got so uncomfortable just reading the venom that was spewed.. And to think they raise and train Dobermans.. Wow.. poor babies...

Serioulsy? What that directed towards me?  If so, then pot kettle black on the spewing venom thingie. I'll call bad breeders where I see them - especially when they are spewing misinformation and outright lies..... somebody has to care about the integrity of the breed and work to educate people so that they can recognize the difference.  While some people at DT can go overboard and even get downright nasty in a knock down drag out thread, they generally do have the best interest of the breed at heart even if they occasionally go about it in the wrong way.... no one is perfect. DT has educated a ton of people about Dobermans and has done FAR more good for more people than any other forum I've ever been on. Yeah, some people get rubbed the wrong way, but they normally bring it on themselves.  

I'm really not here to cause problems - but I will defend myself and my dogs..... that certainly are not "poor babies"!  If the people here don't want long time (19 years for me) respected Doberman people then I am happy to leave. 

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I just read all this now...I think I'm having the same reaction deacon did...*shakes head and walks off*

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Well, I'm also still shaking at my head at the fact that people here would rather be lied to than have the facts presented? 

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I don't believe that it has to do with peopl trying to educate others that makes others upset, it's the way some people come across. Like I am better than you, I know more than you, I have been with the breed longer than you and you can't possibly have something to give because you are not nearly as experienced as I am. It's the judgmental, cockiness that puts people off. I am not saying we all have to play nice all the time but it doesn't always have to be a pissing match. I have not seen any of these people comment on any other thread...come in and find one that y'all can start bashing on. I am not saying this breeder is in the right or in the wrong because frankly I have no idea.

If you were a science teacher teachin evolution and one of your students disagreed because they were christian you wouldn't bully them into agreeing with your beliefs because that would accomplish nothing. Rather you would lay out the facts and try to educate why evolution is a possible theory.

I am not going to talk bad about dt but I will say that I don't feel like I belong there or am even wanted there. A lot of times I feel like I am judged or scrutinized in the Doberman world because I have am inexperienced and have my first show dog. Yes, I don't know what I am doing and I gaurantee I am going to make mistakes, but I am willing to learn and have taken lots of advice. It does not make me or my pet any less special then someone who has years of experience, we all have to start somewhere. Sully might be a champion or a mediocre show dog or maybe just a really amazing pet. Whatever he is i will love him no matter what and I gaurantee he will be a happy, well rounded family member until his very last breath and that truly is the most important thing to me.

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Very well said CF..

There are ways to offer advice without being condescending or negative.. I too have been put down and spoken to as if I am a horrible person because I am not an expert but for teh love of the breed I stay and stand up for my dogs, even if they may be considered less than desireable by others.  My babies are the heart and soul of our family, they may not be champions, agility, show or otherwise but they are EXTREMELY special to me.  Bellas original breeder was once a member of the other group and she left because of their treatment.  I personally dont care how much experience an individual has if they can not be nice.. We are all here because we love Dobermans.. Plain and Simple..  The negativity is now needed nor welcome.. Advice yes.. nasty "pissing contest"  post are not something I ever expected on GENTLE Doberman..

I have made some wonderful friends here, some of which have considered leaving because of teh treatment and nasty posts made to them (I was almost one myself).. Again.. Cant we all just get along and play nice.. Sheesh 

If anyone has been looking, I've been posting on other threads - I am all about education.  I've been involved in rescue for 10 years ... so I'm not a show snob even if that is my main interest. I love all Dobermans no matter what their origins. My differnece is that I am pretty outspoken about the ones that should not be bred. If the excuse someone gives is ignorence, then my responce is that there is so much information available on the internet about this.... all anyone has to do is look. Those who know me know that I very seldom get snarky - it pretty much has to be a direct attack.  I mostly stay away from those sometimes ugly threads on DT.  

Everyone has something to contribute, but really learning about this breed takes years if not decades. After 19 years, I am still very much a student to those who have been around much longer than me. I'm a relatively new breeder & sure don't proclaim to know it all. I won't ever breed enough to make a dent in the Doberman population & I'm not here to sell puppies. We all love our dogs - I am no exception to that. Unfortunately, ignorence results in a lot of unnessesary issues with our breed. I try to do my part to erradicate ignorence where I can. Some people can't be reached for whatever reason. 

My Doberman internet forum life started well before DT was even around - so did Mary's and Murray's. DT was not our first forum and it won't be our last. 

 

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          The way I'm reading this thread........Someone created it trying to sell puppies using lies and deception to sell their dogs.Those of us who are not breeders and would not understand what we are reading may very well believe in this advertisement and buy a dog we may otherwise avoid if we knew the truth.As usual,Glengate saw these obvious untruths and pointed them out for all of us to understand. I'm glad she is here to watch out for these fraudulent people.If you have puppies to sell,that's fine,but don't try selling them using deception to paint the wrong picture about them.Thank you Glengate for pointing this out.I for one,do not appreciate being lied to.

           Now the ugliness that followed got a little out of hand which is a shame, because I'd like to think we are mostly here to provide friendship and support, along with some helpful information to each other when needed.Let's not forget we all have some common ground for even being here in the first place. 

          

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Amen Patriot!

Fitzmar, I have not seen you post anything negative.. As partiot said this thread has gotten out of hand..

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Agree w/ Patriot- How about we stop beating a dead horse- OP is gone. We are a small friendly group- let's get back to that.

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I cannot add anything to what's been said except that if you feel you need to berate someone.. if scolding is your way of teaching.. so be it.. but see that little envelope placed conveniently on the bottom of the left hand corner.. That's for Private Messaging.. please use it, that way the entire forum does not have to be subject to the nastiness and unkind remarks some of you feel necessary..

Yes.. I'm sure there are Doberman educated people who are chiming in.. but why not try a little more empathy.... 

P.S. USE SPELL CHECK..It might help your credibility!!!

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My take.. dobies like people are all different sizes, colours, characters, like people they have faults. This is the here and now, the dog is here now... with or without its perfect breed standard.  GD isnt elitist or bigoted. If you have a dobie you are welcomed. The End. Kiaora.