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I'm very new to the site, but I think I have read everything on it in the last 2-3 hours. Wow, have I lost track of time! You have such great info once you start you just can't stop, like Pringles without the carbs!

I saw this forum and got really excited, especially seeing the gorgeous puppies posted. Then to my dismay I realized that it was posted in 2008. So, I figured I'd post looking for one! 

I would really like a good reference to some breeders within a 10 hour radius of Nashville, give or take. Since collectively the wonderful people on this site have more experience finding amazing puppies, I figured this would be the best resource I could possibly ask for.

I have grown up around dogs and there has never been a time I have been without, until now. I currently share two dogs with my parents, boxers: Brandie and Buster. I have left them in Texas because I couldn't bear to seperate them from each other or my parents. I have owned both of them since they were puppies, trained them myself, and love them with all my heart. Because for many years my dogs have been my constant companions, I feel like a big part of me is missing. If your dog has ever been at the vet and you find yourself unconciously calling your dog because they aren't next to you, it's like that (and has been for 5 months.. torture!) 

My fiance doesn't really want a boxer and suggested Dobermans. I have always thought they are beautiful dogs and started researching, and researching, and researching. They sound like a great fit! The only thing experienced doberman owners might have reserves about is that I live in an apartment. I go on two long walks everyday and swim lots in the summer, so I don't see this as being a problem. I love training, so even while in the house they won't get bored. I'm a stay at home artist who has all the time in the world to nurture a puppy. I am looking for a companion, which dobes are perfect for, and a guard dog because I'd like an added sense of security inside and out. Although even a large watch dog that barks will scare most people away works for me. 

From what I have read Dobes are hard headed youngsters. Although boxer pups may not compare to dobes, I worked with a boxer rescue, fostering, and had my fair share of bullheadedness to contend with! I'm definitely a lay down the law kind of owner, I'm confident I can handle almost anything. (I use positive reinforcement, I don't want anyone to take that last statement the wrong way!) Unfortunately, with my dog Brandie I was really sick shortly after her first puppy year and I was unable to train her as much as I wanted. Although, what I did was good enough to make her the best dog I've ever had! Even people scared of dogs come over and are won over by her manners and boxer wiggle. I am looking forward to having a dog that I can teach all kinds of tricks and skills! Guarding, obedience, agility, obstacles, tracking, or anything I can find a class for!

I feel that a Dobe would be a really perfect fit and would appreciate any help in finding one!

Apologies for such a looooong post, but I want to show that I'm not someone who doesn't know what they are getting into/ can't handle this breed. Feel free to ask questions if you have any concerns! I really just want to find a great new family member. 

Thanks!

-Hannah

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Welcome Hannah :)

You have come to the right place. Sorry I can't answer your question on a breeder as I live in Australia but I just wanted to say welcome and I look forward to hearing all about your doberventures :)

Sian

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Hi and Welcome. have you looked at the breeder referral page @ www.dpca.org

http://dpca.org/breed/breed_referral.htm

You can possibly find somebody there. And once you narrow it down- research them and make sure you ask them if proper health testing has been done on the parents. I am sure one of our resident experts will be buy to give you better advice on what kinds of things to ask and what to expect to be asked by the breeder etc...

Good Luck in your search. Just wait til you are owned by a dobie- it will change your life for good!

Mandy, Cisco and Raven

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I hope Glengate or Rnddobermans or MyDuetz. will answer also.  There are others...Wish I had known them when I was looking!   Mandy has a great suggestion too.  I don't have anything to add except a warm hello and welcome! 

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Welcome! Looking forward to your search for the pup or adult. Have you considered a rescue? Keep us posted:)

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HannahEliz. what a great name.. Welcome to the Gentle Doberman Forum. This is truly an awesome site to learn, discuss and has the side benefit of offering life long friendships...

I tend to agree with BBroyles re: rescues... We've had our gorgeous girl Sofia for almost two years and when it's time to add a brother to our family, I'm sure we will go the rescue route as well.

But OMG who can resist the puppies.. cuteness overload!

Dobermans are not known as great swimmers, there are those that do, however being so muscular, they always need life vests.. I don't see living in an apartment as a deterrent as long as your new Dobe would be accepted by management.. ( there's still a pretty 'difficult to digest' stigma) They do require a LOT of exercise.. not just a couple of walks will do.. must run full out for a while to ease up that high energy they offer..

Looking for a companion?? Oh wow.. have YOU come to the right place.. and in fact, you might find it a bit difficult to create your art without Dobernoses jabbing your elbow.. ( some of us have to lock ourselves away in a small closet to be able to even respond to these posts.. )

Love that you're asking so many great questions and are so open to the answers you'll get which will be as varied as the questions.. LOL...

Welcome to the Forum, you sound like you will be a great addition.. ( read training ideas)

smooches to the pooches

Kate and Sofia

I'm running off to work but want to give this link for you to really read through this is the most comprehensive link that will give you ALL the info you need if you carefully read through it. This is on Glengates website and is so important for any want to be Doberman owner.

http://glengate.webs.com/buyingguide.htm

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IMO the biggest obstacle that I see in your post is the apartment living...  most breeders & rescue groups like to see a fenced back yard or play area...

Being in Nashville you're pretty centralized, so finding a good puppy within a 10 hr radius should be easier for you.  The breeder referral list that Cisco posted is the best place to start.  Just remember that it is only a starting point - you have to do your own homework...

I've heard good things about Pamelot Dobermans here in the Atlanta area but have no personal experience with them.  I believe they've been breeding since the '60's??

I don't know if you've gone to any, but there are a couple of "all breed" dog shows in TN during May.  I think 1 is in Jackson & another in Franklin.  Might be a chance to check out some local breeders.

Being owned by 2 dobies - 1 rescue, 1 "kinda" rescue - I do have a tendency to lean more toward rescues.  That might be an easier option for you right now - the way I see it is 1 puppy + 1 apartment = LARGE security deposit.

Sorry about the fragmented post - My brain is jumping around alot today!

Good luck - keep us posted about your search.

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Welcome to the forum, Hannah! :D

All I can say is to keep on looking if you can't find one around Nashville! It took me awhile to look for a dobe here in SATX and I found my little baby Zelda.

So, good luck to finding your forever dobe!

 

God Bless,

Erika and Zelda

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Welcome to the forum!

I wish you the best in luck on finding a dobie!

Karissa

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Welcome to the forum!

I wish you the best in luck on finding a dobie!

Karissa

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Thanks for the welcomes everyone!

Thanks Mandy! I'll check that out!

Bbroyles- The first thing I said to my fiance was "I'll look into some rescues!" After reading more about the breed, I'm a little apprehensive about getting a rescue. I've found boxers are very sweet friendly dogs by nature. When working with rescues I definitely learned how bad breeding and mistreatment can really effect the temperment of a dog. Sometimes, the dogs aren't as smart or will not follow human command, no matter how hard you try. Considering all that i have read about dobermans, it seems these problems would only be worse. I know you get to pick what dog you get, but in my experience rescues like to give you either the first dog you like, or the one they need to find a home for the most. They want all the dogs to go homes and tend to sugar coat any problems they've experienced, if they tell you them at all. Plus you don't know their background, so you run a greater chance of getting huge vet bills from genetic problems.

My boxer boy Buster was neutered by a rescue at 2 months, I know they want to make sure the dog won't reproduce, but this seemed extreme. We would have gladly signed a promisary note that we would, and provide proof we did this at the proper time. That is how the breeder handled it with our pet quality boxer, which seemed much better. After that I searched for a new rescue to support.

Also, if a dog comes in pregnant and she's not within a few days of delivery, they will abort the pregnancy. I know the dogs won't be pure bred, but they can still be some of the sweetest dogs. The vet at the last rescue I worked with said a foster we got was a couple weeks from delivery so we should abort. My family couldn't bear to do that to the mom or puppies. We refused and she delivered in 4 days. She had been starved so much, she didn't appear to be as far along as she was. We ended up raising 6 puppies, but it was so worth it. These experiences really made me question what my support of money, time, and effort were going towards. Rescues should be promoting the best and proper treatment of their breed, not taking the easy road.

I admit the reason I am not solely looking into a rescue is kind of selfish on my part. I'd like to be able to nip bad habits in the bud before they can do too much destruction. Trying to teach a grown dog that has learned all the tricks to unlearn them is much harder than teaching an impressionable puppy.

That being said, I haven't ruled out rescues altogether and will still pursue that avenue. Although for training I would prefer a puppy, you can always be pleasantly surprised to find older dogs that are so amazing you wonder why they were ever given up.

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I have no statistical research on this, so just an opinion. I don't think dogs are given up because of poor breeding. We live in a constant change today. Changing jobs, locations, marriages, health status, etc. I think this lack of stability or upset to stability brings about the rescues. In other words, rescues come from all walks of life. I would expect to see many different temperaments and breeding. If you are reading about Dobermans, I would say continue with that and make contact with actual owners as you are doing now. The Doberman is a very even tempered, loyal breed. Highly trainable working dog. They look to and trust their humans and want to be involved in evey aspect of family life. Loading the dishwasher, doing laundry, getting icecubes, taking showers. Anything you are doing, will be accompanied by your Dobe.
I understand wanting to be the first influence on a puppy's life. Most of my dogs came as pups. I look at it differently now. The strength of a breed is there and can overcome many human mistreatments. Please look at Miracle's story. It can be found on Facebook, Illinois Doberman rescue. Many members on this forum are involved with rescues. They all speak to the special dimension of a relationship with rescues. I hope you will continue educating yourself on the breed. I think that is very wise, as the wrong match between lifestyles and breeds can also contribute to the numbers of rescues. Good luck with your search for a companion. I know you miss Brandie and Buster.

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I wouldn't really say you get to pick what dog you like at Doberman rescue - I would more say that the rescue tries their best to match you and the dog according to the needs of both.  That said, they certainly aren't going to force you take a dog you don't mesh with if they are any kind of responsible, reputable rescue. 

Keep in mind that rescues sometimes do have puppies available.  I know there is one in Tennessee for sure, East Tennessee Doberman Rescue which I think is closer to Knoxville.  There is a Doberman club in the Nashville area which holds a specialty show in February (I went to it a couple of years ago), so you may want to look them up for contacts on breeders and/or rescue. 

I have no problem with early spays/neuters.  It's not extreme to me at all, especially considering that people break their promises every day and it's the mandate of any responsible rescue to prevent further irresponsible breeding.  When I was active in rescue, that was our number one priority - no dog left intact, period.  As a breeder, my pet quality puppies also are spayed/neutered while they are being cropped around the age of 9 weeks.   

I also have no problem with aborting/spaying pregnant rescue bitches although I wouldn't do it if they were really close to term.  I think you've got to cut rescues a break.  Whelping/raising a litter is expensive, good and experienced foster homes are usually sparse and, as you said, the puppies are often not purebred.  It's not like there is a shortage of rescue dogs/puppies out there already so spay/abortions are a necessary evil.  I had to do one with my first rescue foster.  She was only 9 months old herself, not at all physically and mentally capable of raising a litter *and* her temperament was not that great.  Heaven knows what her puppies might have been like, and honestly, I don't think it would have been real responsible to bring them into the world and take the chance they would have temperaments similar or worse than hers.  You call that the easy road.  Yet, you weren't in my position of having to be responsible for her and for those puppies and to the people who may have adopted them for the rest of their lives.  Making that decision is no easy road. 

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Thanks Glengate for saying what I really couldn't find the words for!  I call Brinks a "kinda" rescue because I got him from a rescue group in NC at 6 weeks old.  I signed a neuter/spay contract saying that I would have him neutered by 6 months and I did so (well, 6 months, 1 day...) even tho' I read here on the forum that it's sometimes better to wait until after 1 year or so.  I gave my word, & I stuck to it.

HannahEliz - My MiLady is one of those rescues you mentioned in your last paragraph.  I think that Lady Kate will agree that her Sofia is also.  How in the world anyone would mistreat or give up these wonderful dogs I have NO clue.  Lady is...   well, wonderful - even having been abused by someone before she came to me.

But, I also have to say - puppies do bring on the "cuteness" overload!!! 

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I know dogs seem to have an amazing resilience to human mistreatment and misuse. I have seen great cases of it, but I have also seen when a dog seems to no longer trust humans. There are lots of dogs given up due to situations in the persons life that are not because of the dog. I only said I'm concerned about dobermans more because I've read that they need a strong hand. Most dogs I have come across from the shelter have had little to no training enforced, I just don't know how they might react to a sudden set of strong rules, especially if they have a bad temperment. I admit, maybe I'm caught in a little bit of stigma about dogs that are often trained as guard/attack dogs? I don't know. Not knowing the breed first hand, I'm at a bit of a disadvantage, and it leaves me to be a little cautious to take on a dog whose breed I haven't dealt with and don't know what might have happened in their past. With how much great success so many people on this site have obviously had with rescues, I am probably needlessly worrying. 

I don't think very many dogs have been given up because they weren't of good bloodlines. With as much as people try to inform the public to go to a reputable breeder, I have found pretty few who do, which means there is a good chance a rescue is a newspaper ad or pet store puppy. I'm not trying to say that is the only factor in a dogs temperment, but I don't think it's one to be dismissed. I was raised across the street from a backyard breeder of pits (the authorities busted them for fighting and took their dogs thank God!,) but they bred them to be mean. With those kinds of people out there I think it is just one more question mark to be aware of with a rescue vs a reputable breeder. 

Thanks RNDdobermans! That was definitely a great and informative link!

glengate- I understand that being a leader in a rescue is not an easy position and there are some neccessary evils. I have been told by many breeders and vets neutering a dog that early is a big no-no. I'm not a vet or a professional on the subject, but from what I've read and been told my conclusion was that was bad practice.

Also, I understand puppies are expensive, but they go fast, purebred or not. I understand if you don't have people willing to take them on, but as fosters who were willing to take on the additions until homes could be found, and willing to pay for shots. We should have had more of a choice than we were given. They said that they were going to do the abortion because she wasn't too far along, and she could be adopted faster. By 10 weeks they all had adoptions pending, mom and pups. I think in our case it would have been an unneccessary evil, I'm just glad she popped so soon. The mother was over two years, and was the sweetest dog.. I still believe it just wasn't a wise choice. We obviously had very different cases to deal with. I know making the abortion call isn't easy, I was mostly refering to the early neutering with that statement. Although I think there is a point in pregnancy when puppies shouldn't be terminated because finding homes and funds will be hard. Maybe that's just the strong pro-lifer in me refusing to accept that call for even dogs. I continued to work with that rescue and fostered two more dogs, and continue helping with fundraisers. I didn't hold it against them too much, but it did make me wonder what happens in similar situations if the vet can have that much room for error.

Dabbles- I agree, rescues can be some of the most amazing dogs! I will always advocate getting a rescue over puppymill. While I want to do a good thing- puppies are hard to resist, but you never know who you'll fall in love with right? All doggies can steal your heart. 

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I think you will find that any reputable, responsible Doberman rescue takes temperament very seriously, and they have to be very discerning in that regard.  If the temperament is too questionable, then I'm afraid we have to make the call to euthanize.  This is a powerful breed that can definitely do damage if they want to, and rescue simply cannot afford the risk of adopting out anything that is questionable.  So, in that respect, you're not likely to get a dog with really questionable, unstable temperament from a good rescue.  We, unfortunately, have to weed them out. 

The dogs in rescue are from every possible source.  Some are from pretty good homes that just happened to fall on hard times, and sometimes the dogs records come with and we have a pretty good idea of their background.  And then it runs the gamut all the way to strays with absolutely no history.  I can tell you that my last rescue foster was a stray picked up by animal control who was never claimed.  I picked her up from the shelter, brought her home and plopped her right in the bathtub because she stunk pretty bad.  When you think about it, it's kind of a crazy thing to do with a dog you don't know whose face is on level with your face while you bathe it, but she accepted everything I wanted to do with her quietly.  I came to find she seemed to be crate trained, she knew commands like sit and down, she walked nicely on a leash, she was already spayed, she was fine to trim her nails, she knew phrases like "let's go for a car ride", etc.  In short, it was completely crazy to me that no one was looking for her!  She was as nice as they come.  Another rescue foster I had was also an unclaimed stray picked up by animal control.  She was young, about 8 or 9 months, and pretty starved, weighed only about 40 lbs.  She was completely untrained, very rambunctious and exuberant and had clearly never heard the word "no".  But this is a breed that is eager to please, quick to learn, very intelligent and it didn't take long to show her the ropes.

One of my friends adopted a red male from a very well known breeder who landed in rescue.  My friend had been preapproved by the rescue, and when he showed up the breeder was notified and they told her about my friend and asked if it was ok to proceed with the adoption.  The breeder said yes, and was in contact with my friend and in fact helped her to get his papers.  A few years ago, he was the #7 obedience Doberman in Canada.  Certainly, some very nice dogs can come out of rescue.   

Back to the early spay/neuter issue -- you can find plenty of info on the net, both pro and con.  As someone who has been doing this since 2002, I don't have any cons to complain about at this time.  I can sleep at night knowing that my pet puppies are not being bred irresponsibly. 

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Hannah, I just wanted to encourage you to follow what you feel is best.  You've spent time doing rescues and want a puppy.  Sure, we're all selfish for buying dogs.  (those of us who did).  There are plenty in the world needing homes.  You've done a good deed by the dogs you've already had.  I resued 2 pound-bound dogs myself.  I understand your desire to buy.  You be at peace with your decision to buy a pup if you want one or to rescue or whatever you decide. 

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I'm majorly pro-rescue... All my uncles dobes are rescue babies, and they are all doing pretty well. Rescues do have to "weed" out the "bad dogs"... it really hurts me to say that... so that no one gets hurt... the dog you get from a rescue may be older... and a little aprehensive at first if it was in an abusive situation, but usually rescues are just happy to have a loving caring home of their own. You've got to remember that not all of the dogs there are there because of abuse. And not all that are abused are "irrepareble"... they just need a little more time and patience.

When you find your baby... whether via a rescue or a breeder... you'll have the best dog you've ever had and possibly the best friend you've ever had.  

HannahEliz

just a welcome from Arizona! Pretty new here myself, only a couple months or so... but I am not new to forums, just this one :)
nice folks here, good caring Dobie loving people, who seem to love people as much as their Dobermans!

I come from both sides of the coin: I have both rescued and purchased Dobermans, and I will say that if you are good at rescue, you can be good at ownership whether it be a purchase or a rescue. I will also say that of the 6 or so Dobermans I have owned, most were rescues and all were great dogs, because I know how to choose and I chose wisely with my rescues as with my puppies.

I am certain that you will find no shortage of puppies available and certainly no shortage of rescues... but with rescues you will find more colors, more ages and varieties of personalities to choose from as well as an excellent first Doberman. I cannot say enough great things about the dogs that CHOOSE me, cuz clearly it was they who chose me, because I believe in fate when it comes to dogs and people! 

So if you choose a puppy: be careful, choose wisely, do your research and view several before you choose just one, because you are going to be with it for  very long time.

If you choose a rescue: be careful, choose wisely, do your research and view several if possible before you choose one, but unlike a puppy, with a rescue if it does not work out, you can usually return the dog to the rescue no harm no foul and go look for another one... its usually a little more complicated with a puppy!  :)
Good luck and take your time, there are always new litters being born and new rescues needing rescue!  

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Hi Hannah, welcome to the site. I have a rescue since December of last year, and he turned out to

be a good boy! A little skiddish at times and we had a period of where he got hurt and went back into his shell, but he's back to his 'normal' self! He obeys commands well, walks well on leash and is so loving. But I understand your wish for a puppy. I would like to  have one myself and have been browsing shelters and rescues online to find one. If all else fails I will purchase one, but I hope to find one in need to be adopted. There is nothing wrong with buying a puppy, if that's what your heart desires. Good luck!

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hi- im new to this site! i have an amazing 10 week old female AKC dobie who i need to rehome. i spent 1 yr looking for her- we have only had her a week...and we are not having any luck with my 2 small dogs- tbey bite her and all she wants is to play! :((( i have tried to work with them but it is too much.....my older dog is chronically ill snd has been severely depressed and has not eaten or slept much ...im at my wits end here and have definitely decided to rehome her. she is learning her commands in englush and german...she is sooo sweet and gentle , loves kids and other dogs (thsts one of the problems here!!) she would do great in an active home!! she has champion lines- mom is from barnicdobermans (thimk thats right spelling??) dad is from kembertal and grand sire is wiking di perlanera! she is large boned and solid..great markings , AKC and ears ARE cropped. im only asking for $1000 to make up for at least the surgery, training, toys food, etc....please call me if anyone is interested..i can send pics and answer other questions. i really am in tears typing this but it is not a goid environment for any of us...she needs a loving place not a constsnt bsrking, snapping and me yelling "no" or "nein"!! jen 302-312-1545

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we have decided to work on this problem after speaking to many people -- was told it can work and give a little time.....we r looking forward to some peace eventually...will update our progress..we want this to so work!!!