Litter of AKC Dobermans in Ohio..

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Our loving girl Bella had a litter of 10 puppies on August 12, 2011.  They are currently 3 weeks old and we have began taking deposits to reserve pups.  They had their tails and dew claws done through the vet at 3 days old and are currently beginning to eat puppy chow mush.. These lil babies are going to be great pet Dobes.  If you are interested in more information, please shoot me an email and I will get back to you as soon as possible.

We have 3 red/rust females, 1 red/rust male, and 3 black/tan males remaining.

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Oh! How I wish I were not across the country from y'all XD i would so get a black and tan male from you ♥

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Do you have any of the pedigree info, or family background?

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Me too I would love to keep seeing updates of a pup with Zelda

Kevin, what information would you like to know.  As I posted originally when Bella got pregnant, we had not planned this litter and were in the process of scheduling some testing to be done. I have the generational information from AKC for both Bella and Mopar. 

I am still in touch with Bellas breeder and have met her grandparents (both of which are 14 and still doing well).  She is an exact replica of her mother in looks and personality.  She was roughly 67 pounds before her pregnancy and very intelligent.  Her mother was a red/rust and her father was a blue. Grandfather a blue and grandmother a red.  I have not researched the lines but the breeder offered to send me her lineage because she has 28 champions (of some kind .. I never cared) in her bloodline.

I can contact Mopars breeder by phone but have no formal information on his grandparents.  His mother was the same size as Bella (black/tan) and his father was roughly 130 pounds (black/tan). Both were very friendly and healthy. 

P.S.  Im on FB more than here if you need more info and I dont get back asap-

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I think I would wait a few years for another pup XD Gotta wait for that almost-perfect pup, LLL :)

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The backlines are the pedigrees, and the akc can offer a certified pedigree as long as the dogs were registered. You can go back as far as you want but it will cost a few dollars. Most people are interested in 5 generations and you can also utilize Dobequest, thats a information center on Dobermanns were you can join or visit as a quest and look a dog up just by knowing its registered name. If the breeder or owner added the pedigree in the info form it will be listed there and you can go way back. I love reading pedigrees because once they go back into the 70s and 60s I know many of the top show dogs from that era. Now a days the pedigrees are used to check out longevity of the backlines to get any idea of the strength of the line because of todays illnesses that dominant the breed. Von

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Von, is there a way to find out the colors of the dogs in the Pedigree?

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If the people giving the info to the akc or Dobequest add the colors with the info then it will show. Years ago the backlines passed the third generation I think didn't give color info but that may have changed. Someone with a current akc pedigree can answer that. My last two dogs are FCI registered which is the European version of the akc and akc does accept that registration company as valid. My pedigree on my current dog is also his registration and colors are exempt on it but theres a huge forum for FCI registered dogs that has a ton of info on all the dogs.

Maybe someone with a current pedigree will see this thread and posts. Von

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Von,

Thank you for your very informational post.  I have been given a explanation before, but never really understood how it was explained.  When I registered both Bella and Mopar I oprdered the 3 generation pedigree and I have been reading it but there are some aspects I dont understand.  in teh thrid generation a few of them have a seperate # with them other than their numbers and I dont know what they mean..

When a dog is registered and has a DNA #, what does that mean?

Also is teh pedigree how you would find out if there are any european lines?

I will contact AKC about getting further information about the generations that go back more.. Do the pedigrees normally show the awards that are won? I know Bellas line has 28 champions and I am calling her breeder tomorrow for that information as she is still a close friend and told me she would send it if I wanted it. 

Im looking into Doberquest tonight

Again Thank you for the information.

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The information on this site might be helpful

http://www.dobermanclub.org/Buying_Puppy/pedigree.htm

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Not sure what the second numbers might be, possibly a OFA#, along with the akc reg number? There might be stud dog numbers too, many years ago they were offered, or possibly a litter number? Not sure its been years since I looked at an akc pedigree. The DNA# might be a data base on Vwd and other DNA tests results, sounds reasonable hahaha!!! 'The Euro dogs might have an FCI number, I doubt the akc would show any titles unless the dogs name comes with its accomplishments. The best way to find the Euro dogs is to know the kennel names from Europe. You can utilize the "Dobermann Review" thats the Euro forum and they have alot of info on new and old kennels and a great history section on the early beginings of the breed.

You can use Dobequest to make a complete pedigree, you can look up the last dogs on your third generation and get atleast a 5 generation on them. Then continue with the last generation from that finding and go back another 5 generations. I took one of my dogs back over 30 generations and found a few of my Uncles breedings from the 30s on there, very interesting. Von

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The AKC requires DNA profile testing on dogs who are bred 7 times or more, and apparently also on imported dogs now, so that's probably why you're seeing a DNA # in a pedigree. 

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Thank you both!

Im finding some very neat information on Bellas pedigree.  Her original breeder is sending me a packet of information along with a few certified pedigrees.  On one side of her pedigree I can go back a very good ways.

I dont know if any of you have use this site, but I found it very informative.. Im still working on updating Bellas, but if you would like to look, check out Isabella Anastasia Craiglow,,

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/

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If you want to post the ped. here I can possibly refer to Dobequest if some kennel names show up. You can literally trace your dogs heritage as far back as 1915. I started to have an interest in backlines when I started to do some handling and I enjoy researching them. The breed has gone through some dramatic changes since the early 1900 and is going through another change in Europe right now. When you have one or two dominent males that breeders want to use because of exhibiting successes the breed goes through changes, some good some bad depending on his ability to reproduce himself and ofcourse who hes being bred to is the biggest factor. Let see it! Von 

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Here is a link to Bellas Pedigree.. Very interesteing stuff

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OK a couple of quick clicks back tells me your dog is line bred off of Ch. Lakecrest Thunder Storm (Blue dog, well built and was considered the best Blue at that time) who was one of the promient stud dogs used by Tess Hensler for the kennel known as vom Ahrtal. Tess is one of the USA & Canadas most prolific breeders from the mid 50s all through the early 80s!!  She retired from breeding to become a judge and just recently passed away . She was a giant in the breed and the vast majority of todays akc show dogs are from her lines not Damysan (Peggy Adamson) who dominanted the show ring in the 50 through the 70s. Tess bred what was considered to be a more elegant dog with a longer neck and classic outline. I knew Tess and showed and trained alot of Ahrtal puppies all over the eastern seaboard. The combination of Ahrtal and Damysan breedings gave a dog very capable of PP work with solid temperaments and great character, very stable dogs who also had very good defense and very good fight drive. Unfortunetly thoughs traits are missing in so many N/A breedings now. I owned a bitch with that exact combination and she was one of my Demo Dogs and bred her twice with her get being excellant PP dogs.

So good luck LLL1 and by the way I know your breeder if shes the owner of your dogs Dam. You tell her your talking to Von.                                                                                              Von.

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Yes, my breeder is the owner of the Dam, Rain .. I love each and every one of her dogs and her family.  My husband was good friends with her husband while we lived in Florida.  I will tell her you said "hello". 

See all the reading I did and I got none of that information.. lol Thank you soo much Von I love hearing teh history of my pride and joy.  Bella is my first Doberman and has brought me a love for teh breed I never imagined possible.  I will never be owned by another breed and will be looking into becomming much more familiar with the backlines.  They are sooo inetresting..  

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Now I want to know what changes are going on Europe?  All very interesting for everyone to read, thanks for sharing all this guys!

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If anyone is interested in seeing pictures of the puppies, please check outthe facebook page I set up just for them :o)

https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Craiglows-Dobermans/167567813324662?sk=wall

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Jes, I was wondering the same thing after reading that thread about the kennel in Pennsylvania.  Whats the standard?  I know in Europe those dobermans tend to be large (same with boxers & GSD's).  Is the standard the same over here as it is over there?  I think I may start another thread on that topic to learn some more.